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CT GAMER wrote:

Melissia wrote:

If people want to post disgusting comments like children dying is funny (and the mods ignore or even encourage/support it), then yes I will respond.

This is a discussion forum right?

Some people treat it more like a trolling forum.

many do.

It is the internet after all.

Funny thing is you don't usually expect mods to actively be a part of it and/or encouraging it...

Who's encrouaging it? Have I said any statements making light of it? No. So you best step back.

Frazzled wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Melissia wrote:

If people want to post disgusting comments like children dying is funny (and the mods ignore or even encourage/support it), then yes I will respond.

This is a discussion forum right?

Some people treat it more like a trolling forum.

many do.

It is the internet after all.

Funny thing is you don't usually expect mods to actively be a part of it and/or encouraging it...

Who's encouraging it? Have I said any statements making light of it? No. So you best step back.

Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?

Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

Half the ANA are there for revenge mate, one at camp phoenix in Kabul told me his wife and kids were killed by the Taliban. Their culture is all about revenge.

That's why we are specificically trained to try to minimise civvie casualties, as I said, we don't do this gak on purpose.

CT GAMER wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

Melissia wrote:

If people want to post disgusting comments like children dying is funny (and the mods ignore or even encourage/support it), then yes I will respond.

This is a discussion forum right?

Some people treat it more like a trolling forum.

many do.

It is the internet after all.

Funny thing is you don't usually expect mods to actively be a part of it and/or encouraging it...

Who's encouraging it? Have I said any statements making light of it? No. So you best step back.

Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?

Now wait just a god damn minute here. So just because someone has the mod tag suddenly they are not allowed to have an opinion? And if they disagree with you they are suddenly "trolling?"

I'm just not taking the wrap for not being pro-active. I mean to be properly pro-active one would have to ban bad posters...

Frazzled wrote:I'm just not taking the wrap for not being pro-active. I mean to be properly pro-active one would have to ban bad posters...

Well, there was that one time where a certain user who shall not be named FINIALLY got themselves a ban for their stupidity. So technically you could be called pro-active.

jp400 wrote:
Now wait just a god damn minute here. So just because someone has the mod tag suddenly they are not allowed to have an opinion?

I would question the ability to fairly and objectively moderate when one is often knee-deep in the most heated and charged threads.

Most mods on most forums don't actively start, perpetuate or direct the discussion of hot-button topics.

I think it is safe to say that Frazzled has a rather opinionated stance on most hot-button issues (politics in particular) (most people do). However it makes for a rather interesting minefield when the guy who can decide what stays and what goes, what will be sanctioned and what won't be is regularly in the middle of the action as a key player.

that is a rather unusual practice in my experience, as mods usually try to detach themselves so they can act as impartially as possible.

It also seems to be the norm here and i don't expect it to change, but it is worth noting.

CT GAMER wrote:

jp400 wrote:
Now wait just a god damn minute here. So just because someone has the mod tag suddenly they are not allowed to have an opinion?

I would question the ability to fairly and objectively moderate when one is often knee-deep in the most heated and charged threads.

Most mods on most forums don't actively start, perpetuate or direct the discussion of hot-button topics.

I think it is safe to say that Frazzled has a rather opinionated stance on most hot-button issues (politics in particular) (most people do). However it makes for a rather interesting minefield when the guy who can decide what stays and what goes, what will be sanctioned and what won't be is regularly in the middle of the action as a key player.

that is a rather unusual practice in my experience, as mods usually try to detach themselves so they can act as impartially as possible.

It also seems to be the norm here and i don't expect it to change, but it is worth noting.

I could debate you why you are wrong, and post several links to threads proving my case in point... but I just don't have the time or the energy today. (Plus I seriously doubt any of it will stick)

So I will just boil it down to this: You are more then welcome to PM Yakface if you think someone is in abuse of their mod powers. Bitching about it publicly won't get you anywhere, espically if you have taken NO steps to try to resolve said "problem".

jp400 wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

jp400 wrote:
Now wait just a god damn minute here. So just because someone has the mod tag suddenly they are not allowed to have an opinion?

I would question the ability to fairly and objectively moderate when one is often knee-deep in the most heated and charged threads.

Most mods on most forums don't actively start, perpetuate or direct the discussion of hot-button topics.

I think it is safe to say that Frazzled has a rather opinionated stance on most hot-button issues (politics in particular) (most people do). However it makes for a rather interesting minefield when the guy who can decide what stays and what goes, what will be sanctioned and what won't be is regularly in the middle of the action as a key player.

that is a rather unusual practice in my experience, as mods usually try to detach themselves so they can act as impartially as possible.

It also seems to be the norm here and i don't expect it to change, but it is worth noting.

I could debate you why you are wrong, and post several links to threads proving my case in point... but I just don't have the time or the energy today. (Plus I seriously doubt any of it will stick)

So I will just boil it down to this: You are more then welcome to PM Yakface if you think someone is in abuse of their mod powers. Bitching about it publicly won't get you anywhere, espically if you have taken NO steps to try to resolve said "problem".

I wasn't trying to "get anywhere" nor bitching unsolicited. You quoted me and posted something addressing me and I responded.

See how that works (I doubt it will stick, but whatever)?

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

Oddly enough, very few threads on the BoLS are actually closed or deleted last I checked. Mind you, I ignore the lbog, so maybe yo'ure referring to that? All blog comments are trainwrecks, it doesn't matter where said conversations are. Blogs are anti-community forming.

I would question the ability to fairly and objectively moderate when one is often knee-deep in the most heated and charged threads.
***And do you see me modding on this? No, just you screaming I should be. Pick a position already, the hypocrasy is making everything all blurry like.

Most mods on most forums don't actively start, perpetuate or direct the discussion of hot-button topics.
***Most forums don't permit the OT board either, a concept I'll admit about half the mods would like to press to this board.

I think it is safe to say that Frazzled has a rather opinionated stance on most hot-button issues (politics in particular) (most people do). However it makes for a rather interesting minefield when the guy who can decide what stays and what goes, what will be sanctioned and what won't be is regularly in the middle of the action as a key player.
***You're inferring I've attacked others fr their positions against me, yet my most vocal opponents are still on the board, including you.

that is a rather unusual practice in my experience, as mods usually try to detach themselves so they can act as impartially as possible.
***Again, you're arguing for a generally higher standard of mod control than we have here. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

It also seems to be the norm here and i don't expect it to change, but it is worth noting.
****Its also wortht noting, is no one is forcing you to post here.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:

Mohammed Bismil, the 20-year-old brother of two boys killed in the strike, told the Journal he didn't care about Petraeus' apology. "The only option I have is to pick up a Kalashnikov, RPG [rocket-propelled grenade] or a suicide vest to fight," he said.

Man, I think this is the saddest part of the article. A young man with no future and a heart full of hate. I don't know what can be done for someone like that.

That describes JP400 and half this thread too. It's quite the conundrum.

jp400 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:I'm just not taking the wrap for not being pro-active. I mean to be properly pro-active one would have to ban bad posters...

Well, there was that one time where a certain user who shall not be named FINIALLY got themselves a ban for their stupidity. So technically you could be called pro-active.

Well thats because their monthly donation to the Frazzled's weiner dog chocolate and dog bone fund didn't come through, so it was instant SHUTUPYOU! time.

jp400 wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

jp400 wrote:
Now wait just a god damn minute here. So just because someone has the mod tag suddenly they are not allowed to have an opinion?

I would question the ability to fairly and objectively moderate when one is often knee-deep in the most heated and charged threads.

Most mods on most forums don't actively start, perpetuate or direct the discussion of hot-button topics.

I think it is safe to say that Frazzled has a rather opinionated stance on most hot-button issues (politics in particular) (most people do). However it makes for a rather interesting minefield when the guy who can decide what stays and what goes, what will be sanctioned and what won't be is regularly in the middle of the action as a key player.

that is a rather unusual practice in my experience, as mods usually try to detach themselves so they can act as impartially as possible.

It also seems to be the norm here and i don't expect it to change, but it is worth noting.

I could debate you why you are wrong, and post several links to threads proving my case in point... but I just don't have the time or the energy today. (Plus I seriously doubt any of it will stick)

So I will just boil it down to this: You are more then welcome to PM Yakface if you think someone is in abuse of their mod powers. Bitching about it publicly won't get you anywhere, espically if you have taken NO steps to try to resolve said "problem".

A debate with factual information and links coming from you would be something never before seen on this forum.

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

Oddly enough, very few threads on the BoLS are actually closed or deleted last I checked. Mind you, I ignore the lbog, so maybe yo'ure referring to that? All blog comments are trainwrecks, it doesn't matter where said conversations are. Blogs are anti-community forming.

Sorry, I am sure you're right. I just remember getting on BOLS and almost getting instantly warned, which is when I quit posting. I think that all occurred in the space of an hour...

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

It does work here Fraz, you're always silent when you like a thread thats full of trolling because it strikes your political fancy. You're also incredibly quick to censure or ban in threads that you dislike for the same reason. What is and isn't your job has rarely been what guided how you did it, a thread chock full of jokes about dying children is a damn good time for you to do your job.

Frazzled wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

Oddly enough, very few threads on the BoLS are actually closed or deleted last I checked. Mind you, I ignore the lbog, so maybe yo'ure referring to that? All blog comments are trainwrecks, it doesn't matter where said conversations are. Blogs are anti-community forming.

Sorry, I am sure you're right. I just remember getting on BOLS and almost getting instantly warned, which is when I quit posting. I think that all occurred in the space of an hour...

Dunno, I haven't ever been banned from the BoLS, their enforcement is a bit lighter than here. What exactly did you do?

As a side note, I'm not saying this is a bad thing. Every forum has a different feel to it, and what works in one wouldn't work in another.

ShumaGorath wrote:

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:

Mohammed Bismil, the 20-year-old brother of two boys killed in the strike, told the Journal he didn't care about Petraeus' apology. "The only option I have is to pick up a Kalashnikov, RPG [rocket-propelled grenade] or a suicide vest to fight," he said.

Man, I think this is the saddest part of the article. A young man with no future and a heart full of hate. I don't know what can be done for someone like that.

That describes JP400 and half this thread too. It's quite the conundrum.

Blow me troll.

While I agree with that sentiment, let's try to not insult people when expressing disdain for the things they post.

@Nobody Imparticular: The 'ignore' function exists for a reason, as does the freedom to simply not read whatever it is.

Just because it's the internet doesn't mean that you have to reply to every single thing and then moan when the replies you get aren't in keeping with your own morals or opinions.

I'd like to take credit for derailing the thread from the get-go. I'd also like to thank my adoring fan base (MagickalMemories, MeanGreenStompa, CT Gamer and most likely Manchu amongst other ) for making this all possible. Perhaps greater than all else:

You guys are funny... can we talk about the topic again?

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

It does work here Fraz, you're always silent when you like a thread thats full of trolling because it strikes your political fancy. You're also incredibly quick to censure or ban in threads that you dislike for the same reason. What is and isn't your job has rarely been what guided how you did it, a thread chock full of jokes about dying children is a damn good time for you to do your job.

You're just annoyed because you haven't been suspended for trolling recently. In the words fo the immortal bard: sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me?

Frazzled wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

It does work here Fraz, you're always silent when you like a thread thats full of trolling because it strikes your political fancy. You're also incredibly quick to censure or ban in threads that you dislike for the same reason. What is and isn't your job has rarely been what guided how you did it, a thread chock full of jokes about dying children is a damn good time for you to do your job.

You're just annoyed because you haven't been suspended for trolling recently. In the words fo the immortal bard: sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me?

I was suspended for trolling about a month ago when I wasn't trolling. That was in the videogame section though.

jp400 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:

Mohammed Bismil, the 20-year-old brother of two boys killed in the strike, told the Journal he didn't care about Petraeus' apology. "The only option I have is to pick up a Kalashnikov, RPG [rocket-propelled grenade] or a suicide vest to fight," he said.

Man, I think this is the saddest part of the article. A young man with no future and a heart full of hate. I don't know what can be done for someone like that.

That describes JP400 and half this thread too. It's quite the conundrum.

Blow me troll.

OK lets keep it polite JP. I'm not modding but other mods may come on board later and neither you or Shuma should get zapped.

Yeah I agree with fraz most the time, but I think its obvious to everyone he is terribly bias and not very professional with regards to his modding, but he's funny with it at the same time, its part if his crack! This ain't a democracy, what's the point in moaning about it? Delete your account if your not happy with it.

Back on topic, I don't care when Afghan kids get fragged by mistake as long as our air support keeps coming, those A-10s are the reason Matty is still breathing!

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

It does work here Fraz, you're always silent when you like a thread thats full of trolling because it strikes your political fancy. You're also incredibly quick to censure or ban in threads that you dislike for the same reason. What is and isn't your job has rarely been what guided how you did it, a thread chock full of jokes about dying children is a damn good time for you to do your job.

You're just annoyed because you haven't been suspended for trolling recently. In the words fo the immortal bard: sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me?

I was suspended for trolling about a month ago when I wasn't trolling. That was in the videogame section though.

Oh wow, there's a videogame section? Cool! I'm off to talk about Pong!

Frazzled wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
Silence IS encouragement, especially when you wear a MOD tag and the offenders see you arguing against those objecting to them.
***bs. It doesn't work in law and it doesn't work here.

Isn't your role as a MOD to "step in" and address such behavior and statements and to enforce some level of appropriate discourse?
***No. Moderators enforce a very limited standard of conduct. If you desire more, perhaps to the level of the remainder of the board, most posts in the OT would not exist, including most of both yours and mine.

Why wait until a thread is a trainwreck?
***Its not my job. If you want that go to BOLS, but don't discuss OT.

It does work here Fraz, you're always silent when you like a thread thats full of trolling because it strikes your political fancy. You're also incredibly quick to censure or ban in threads that you dislike for the same reason. What is and isn't your job has rarely been what guided how you did it, a thread chock full of jokes about dying children is a damn good time for you to do your job.

You're just annoyed because you haven't been suspended for trolling recently. In the words fo the immortal bard: sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me?

I was suspended for trolling about a month ago when I wasn't trolling. That was in the videogame section though.

Oh wow, there's a videogame section? Cool! I'm off to talk about Pong!

It's a horrifying trollscape. You'll love it.

ShumaGorath wrote:

I was suspended for trolling..