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If your daughter isn't hungry, should you be allowed to force food down her throat and make her swallow?
We do it all the time to infants. We also do the same for medication.
But I think this falls under the 'permanent harm' guideline.
WARBOSS TZOO wrote:You weren't playing along at all! You just said that someone has to make the decisions and assumed that i would then say "Well yes of course it should be you", when what I was asking was why it should be you instead of somebody else. IIRC, you said above that it's either you or the collective. I say nay to that false dilemma.
OK, so who should be able to make the decision whether I should let my 6 year old son eat dog poop. Or, better yet, play unsupervised with daddy's welding torch.
He says yes, I say no. Who gets to decide? Someone has to, right?
WARBOSS TZOO wrote:...That isn't a definition at all. Those are examples of things that I would classify as child abuse that you would, presumably, not, because they are not "physical, mental, or emotional harm". I am saying there that your definition is inadequate because it doesn't cover enough ground to be useful.
Well, I don't have a problem with people being racist, religious zealots, or any other sort of bigots. I simply don't associate with those people.
You apparently believe that people don't have the right to be bigots. I have a problem with that.
I would agree that in cases of abductions and kidnappings, or in recent news, natural disasters. But, there would be such a chance it would be abused that there would be no way that it could be used in any humane way.
WARBOSS TZOO wrote:...That isn't a definition at all. Those are examples of things that I would classify as child abuse that you would, presumably, not, because they are not "physical, mental, or emotional harm". I am saying there that your definition is inadequate because it doesn't cover enough ground to be useful.
Well, I don't have a problem with people being racist, religious zealots, or any other sort of bigots. I simply don't associate with those people.
You apparently believe that people don't have the right to be bigots. I have a problem with that.
I don't think that people don't have the right to be bigoted. I do, however, think that people shouldn't be allowed to indoctrinate their children into same.
dogma wrote:No, its not concrete definition, as was stated. There is a massive difference between a consistent theme, and a consistent definition. Themes are written by causal forces, and are generally difficult to discern, but definitions are literal (hah) and always written with specificity (though that specificity is generally limited argumentatively). Formally, stating that all things are related to X is not the same thing as stating that all things are X.
Honestly, I'm a bit surprised that you failed to recognize this.
"I know it when I see it" works for pornography because most people who make pornographic material do so knowingly, with the specific intent to appeal to that interest.
"I know it when I see it" doesn't work for child abuse, especially when the standard is anything more than physical/emotional harm. Parents know berating your kid is bad, so is spanking them. But they don't know that teaching them the scripture or that asians aren't good drivers is bad.
It's the difference between malum prohibitum and malum in se. Malum prohibitum laws should be few and far between.
I don`t see why we would need these chips. Yes, kids get kidnapped. But numbers are extremely low. For every "Carl the Kidnapped Kid", there`s thousands of "Harry the Happy Kid".
I certainly would not enjoy being watched 24/7, just to fulfill my parents`overprotective needs. If you want your kids to be as safe as they can get, move to Japan
Tubby
Edit: Okay, bad formulations, but bear with me here please. English is hard!
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The God Emperor
He almost died and got put on life support for your sins.
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samusaran253 wrote:Do you know what is the #1 thing to teach teenage girls to prevent kidnapping. Kick him in the nuts. Hard. Repeatedly. This will work 100 times better than any chip.
What if he has a gun to their head?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
samusaran253 wrote:Do you know what is the #1 thing to teach teenage girls to prevent kidnapping. Kick him in the nuts. Hard. Repeatedly. This will work 100 times better than any chip.
What if he has a gun to their head?
He won't shoot. Remember, he wants her for sex, he can't do that if she's dead.
samusaran253 wrote:Do you know what is the #1 thing to teach teenage girls to prevent kidnapping. Kick him in the nuts. Hard. Repeatedly. This will work 100 times better than any chip.
What if he has a gun to their head?
He won't shoot. Remember, he wants her for sex, he can't do that if she's dead.
Or he'll just blow her away right there.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
samusaran253 wrote:Do you know what is the #1 thing to teach teenage girls to prevent kidnapping. Kick him in the nuts. Hard. Repeatedly. This will work 100 times better than any chip.
What if he has a gun to their head?
He won't shoot. Remember, he wants her for sex, he can't do that if she's dead.
...Yes he can. It's not like her body fades away if she dies.
samusaran253 wrote:Do you know what is the #1 thing to teach teenage girls to prevent kidnapping. Kick him in the nuts. Hard. Repeatedly. This will work 100 times better than any chip.
What if he has a gun to their head?
He won't shoot. Remember, he wants her for sex, he can't do that if she's dead.
...Yes he can. It's not like her body fades away if she dies.
(Mod hat on)
Ok, this thread has been reported, twice. Lets stay away from personal "habits" of an intimate nature people.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
biccat wrote:"I know it when I see it" doesn't work for child abuse, especially when the standard is anything more than physical/emotional harm. Parents know berating your kid is bad, so is spanking them. But they don't know that teaching them the scripture or that asians aren't good drivers is bad.
If a parent doesn't know that beating their child is bad, are they not committing child abuse?
biccat wrote:
"I know it when I see it" doesn't work for child abuse, especially when the standard is anything more than physical/emotional harm. Parents know berating your kid is bad, so is spanking them. But they don't know that teaching them the scripture or that asians aren't good drivers is bad.
I know parents that know all of those things. I also know parents that know none of those things. You're substituting your values for the knowledge of others.
biccat wrote:
It's the difference between malum prohibitum and malum in se. Malum prohibitum laws should be few and far between.
I don't consider that distinction to be useful, or valid.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Dreadwinter wrote:I would agree that in cases of abductions and kidnappings, or in recent news, natural disasters. But, there would be such a chance it would be abused that there would be no way that it could be used in any humane way.
No chance.
I'd give the weight to that argument right now.
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samusaran253 wrote:I could derail this thread so quickly...
And get banned as quickly. Walk careful young Skywalker.
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Terje-Tubby wrote:I don`t see why we would need these chips. Yes, kids get kidnapped. But numbers are extremely low. For every "Carl the Kidnapped Kid", there`s thousands of "Harry the Happy Kid".
I certainly would not enjoy being watched 24/7, just to fulfill my parents`overprotective needs. If you want your kids to be as safe as they can get, move to Japan
Tubby
Edit: Okay, bad formulations, but bear with me here please. English is hard!
Again, agreed.
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2011/03/16 21:15:09
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Dreadwinter wrote:I would agree that in cases of abductions and kidnappings, or in recent news, natural disasters. But, there would be such a chance it would be abused that there would be no way that it could be used in any humane way.
No chance.
I'd give the weight to that argument right now.
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samusaran253 wrote:I could derail this thread so quickly...
And get banned as quickly. Walk careful young Skywalker.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Terje-Tubby wrote:I don`t see why we would need these chips. Yes, kids get kidnapped. But numbers are extremely low. For every "Carl the Kidnapped Kid", there`s thousands of "Harry the Happy Kid".
I certainly would not enjoy being watched 24/7, just to fulfill my parents`overprotective needs. If you want your kids to be as safe as they can get, move to Japan
Tubby
Edit: Okay, bad formulations, but bear with me here please. English is hard!
Again, agreed.
I would still like to know which particular posts were reported.
Modquisition on. Unless we're reacting to the specific post, we don't normal say who was reported, and who reported them. I can say though it wasn't about me (for once) nor by me.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I'm totally against the chipping of anyone under any pretenses. It's a scam to control you further. Think of the cost then transfer that cash into helping homeless or starving people.
Your all just anti-transhumanists. A bunch of luddites unwilling to see the glorious truth of our future as biomechanical hybrids that will make us stronger, faster, better - more like Kanye West. It is our destinty!
Spoiler:
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote:Your all just anti-transhumanists. A bunch of luddites unwilling to see the glorious truth of our future as biomechanical hybrids that will make us stronger, faster, better - more like Kanye West. It is our destinty!
Spoiler:
I'm not! Heck I just changed my avatar right before you typed that. I am all for transhumanism!
Dreadwinter wrote:I would agree that in cases of abductions and kidnappings, or in recent news, natural disasters. But, there would be such a chance it would be abused that there would be no way that it could be used in any humane way.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
