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Well they were having a day where they were showing how to play at my FLGS. I liked how the rules were written, and the models and anime art style influenced by Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, and Akira. So I got myself a starter set on-line and play when I get the chance when people who play Infinity everytime I go (not going to be my main game like Warmachine/ Hordes, but going to collect every now and again, and much cheaper to get into than Warhammer 40k IMO).

Love the models. Love the local crowd. Love the game.

I'm going to echo what I've been hearing: I'm not seeing the 'zomg this is expensive'. I'm putting together a full competitive force of 300 points for a fraction of the cost of anything warhammer, but TBH, it was the free rules that got me hooked.

I'd like to see how the results of this poll would change if we did it over, now that BoW has done so much promotional work for the game. As far as I can tell, the game has taken a pretty big leap in popularity.

So, what say we do the poll over to reflect the changes since 2011?

~Tim?

Not only BoW, but now one of the largest miniature war gaming forums in the world has a dedicated section for Infinity as well!

I have a couple of miniatures. They got some realy cool models if you like the style.
I am not a game player but more of a converter and a painter.
The anime style makes these finer than the more bulkier lines so converting is more difficult for my taste.

Looks interesting. But, not too sure about getting into it. I like the miniatures but, I'm still not too sure about it.

Are you...sure?

I've found that your best bet would be to buy enough of the models you like to build 2 opposing forces of 150 points and then become the Demo Man in your gaming group...

It's very interesting without a doubt, no idea why people are disliking the model, their pretty sweet

Tempted but really know it would be such an emotional pull to get me away from the warhammer universe I'm pretty sure I won't bother.

The models are great, the background looks really interesting but but but there will always be a but cos FW just keep releasing new stuff!!

Got into Infinity not too long ago, I bought the Aleph sarter army from a friend for £10.

I'm interested in playing infinity. I like the idea of a game focused on smaller skirmish battles (at least that's what i heard Infinity is about).

Sadly I'm too busy playing 40K and WM.

Seriously folks, Infinity is one of the best games out there. Very different, unique ruleset. Extremely low price point (less than 120 dollars can get a tourney-capable force), and without a doubt, the finest sci-fi models in the entire industry.

Really, stuff like THIS is why people should enrich their gameplaying experience and branch out...







And more. Really, the models are fantastic, and the rules don't just reward, but REQUIRE tactical thinking. It is impossible to build an 'autopilot list'.

Very interested in it, however there isn't a gaming scene around me at all. Then again, I don't have much of a scene for my *other* games either.

Been collecting Yu Jing since 2011 - they're the models I go to when I need a challenge - when I went back to GW minis they seemed so childish and goofy to paint, it felt like going from 1080p back to 480p in terms of quality.

Love the aesthetic and the universe, the lore is fantastic. I also love metal models, which help. I'm also a fan of the unforgiving tactical nature of the game, and how chance and Random Number Generation have much less influence than in other prominent games of our time, and how the emphasis is on the tactics in the field, and not the list-building.

There's a great "just collect what models you like, they're all good" feeling to the game, while as a Dark Eldar player, I may want to get Mandrakes, but they're utterly useless. That doesn't happen so much (if at all) in Infinity. Everyone has their place.

The community over at the Infinity forums are also great, and it's honestly pretty cheap to get into - the starter boxes give you enough for a medium sized force, the rules are free - the one stipulation is that while in other games they layout of the battlefield isn't that important, having plenty of cover and LoS-blocking terrain is a must and a lot of people have been turned off when they played their first game with their 40k terrain, which often isn't LoS-blocking or nearly dense enough.

I'm still mildly perplexed by the "so expensive" opinions. Model for model, they're more expensive, but you won't need more than 10 per army. The rules are all free, so no Codex tax to be seen, the only real investment would be in scratchbuilding the terrain needed to have a workable board. If the only gaming community I knew of who played the game was more than an hour away (too far for the regular games I would require) then I'd be on it in a shot. Most Infinity players have several forces from different factions, because it just doesn't cost that much to do so.

had to look it up...

1) not a big fan of metal minis. (-)

2) amazing detail on minis (++)

3) expensive (- - -)

rules may be fantastic, and you may only need 10 models for an army, but at it's current price point, i would have to pass, even if i allowed myself to get interested, which i won't...

Expensive? That always confuses me, take a random small based Aleph model who can be an Lt (lets say Diomedes), Wayland has him (in pounds) as 6.75. The closest Space Marine HQ is 5 pounds more dear. And as a kicker Diomedes uses up 44 points, which is more than a 10th of your average 300 point game. The Chaplain with Jump Pack (the cheapest Marine HQ) is worth a bit less of your army, and costs more.

Free rules and 10 models per side max (usually), add in another 5 or so for variety's sake, and I think you're still WAY under any game that GW is going to be putting out soon - or ever!

I collect for the painting/modeling but I also play when a can (be bothered).


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 Alpharius wrote:
Free rules and 10 models per side max (usually), add in another 5 or so for variety's sake, and I think you're still WAY under any game that GW is going to be putting out soon - or ever!

Too true. The other half of the reason I started (other than the AMAZING models)

As a matter of personal taste, i find the rules too (unnecesarily) detailed. Also I'm a bit confused by the Orders rule; you have as many orders as you have miniatures, and you can spend as many orders as you like on a single miniature. Is having a reduced number of elite units and a "order farm" of miniatues as cheap as you can find our of danger, so you can use their orders on the big guys as a no-brainer tactic as it sounds, or am I missin something?

You're missing a lot - you'll always want to be sure that you're set up defensively so as to be able to react (via ARO) to anyone 'cheerleading' and 'ramboing' around with a single model.

Certain skills (especially 'total reaction') help minimize that as well.

As for the 'complexity', I rather like it, and it fits well for a skirmish scale game.

With the constant 'dumbing down' of tabletop miniature wargaming, I find INFINITY to have just the right amount of crunch.

It was very popular in my area about a year back - enough players for two groups running separate campaigns. You really need someone who is very sharp with the rules... there was a lot of stopping and searching for even the most basic of actions.

It's terrain heavy and the game suffers if you don't have enough. The figures may be "cheap", but filling a table with enough terrain can be daunting hobby-wise and money-wise.

We did the Paradisio campaign and I was a bit turned off by the scenarios - mainly that you were required to have a Hacker or Engineer in most of them. There was one game that ended Turn 1 without the other player even being able to play due to the scenario and Rambo'ing. Poor scenario design.

The YouTube videos are a big help and I almost always had to sit down with each new opponent and watch the one on dropping smoke grenades as a reaction - the rules can be rather complex and confusing.

Last, I think there's some models that have way too many rules - the Anathematic comes to mind (or was it the Sphinx). Anyway, one of those just seemed like it could do everything all by itself and just roll through everyone

One of my fave skirmish type games, insanely cool models too!

I stated buying a couple of models I particularly liked, just for painting them, but the past few months I (or rather my group of 6 players) have finally gotten around to playing a couple of games - and everybody pretty much loves it.

It scratches an utterly different itch than 40k (which I still like and enjoy playing - mainly for the fluff). I love Infinity's models (with a few exceptions I can happily ignore), love the rules and the scale/scope of the game, but find the fluff rather on the bland side. I love that the game requires huge amounts of terrain instead of the bland "2 ruins, 1 hill" crap seen on far too many 40k tables. Looking over my models - around 200 pts. each for two armies - I'm happy to see that I can spend about the same amount of money to get a more or less playable army as I would spend on a single unit in 40k. In this case, the starting investment should not really be an issue - considering that this is a hobby where people habitually run out and purchase multiples of the flavour of the month unit in 40k...

The biggest issue of the rules is the abysmal structure and layout of the rule book. The first couple of games incorporated tons of checking and re-checking; it got better when we printed out a couple of the quick reference sheets from the CB site. On the upside - the rules are free, and there's a far better structured fan-based rulebook edition out there, which I'd recommend.

Really, even if one doesn't like the models, there is no reason not to give it a whirl. Take some IG for Light Infantry, some SMs for Heavy Infantry, improvise some heavy scenery and see how it works.

Infinity is a really nice game, I've enjoyed every game I've played (about 5-6 games). The miniatures are hands down some of the best out there. I mainly collect them and only have a coherent Haqqislam force to game with.

Nowadays I really only want to collect the TAGs for painting. Gaming has fallen from favor with me.

Their miniatures aren't really for beginners either, IMO. Some can be quite complex to assemble and require precision pinning of tiny arms and pieces with the smallest drill bit you can find. But they are so damn cool looking!

Also, Infinity doesn't have very good books. I own the main rulebook in hardback and its got a weird layout, with some mediocre and boring fiction and is generally just...odd. Maybe they've gotten better. At least they provide the core rules for free.

 Cave_Dweller wrote:
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Also, Infinity doesn't have very good books. I own the main rulebook in hardback and its got a weird layout, with some mediocre and boring fiction and is generally just...odd. Maybe they've gotten better. At least they provide the core rules for free.

They did. Paradiso is the best book they've done, the first rulebook is the worst. Human Sphere is in the middle, fittingly.

Models are beautiful, (but, need to be a larger scale, so they can be used for other games.)
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It is good set of small skirmish game rules, but IMHO it needs a GM perhaps for a more RPG feel.
IMHO, as a one versus one game it lacks, it has rules loopholes and some models that are much better than others, (which leads to dead stock on shelves for FLGS.)
The game does have "living rules'" (free online) which is a good thing, as is a good community that helps fix issues with the rules I mentioned.
And there is a "New Release" of models every month like clockwork.
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I would give it a 9 out of 10

The Rules are FREE. Which is just wonderful.

The models are beautiful and a joy to paint.

And expensive? ... no?

I see people arguing price per model and the like. But Infinity doesn't charge you extra just because a model is worth more points in game. You can snag a basic trooper doctor for the same price (+ maybe a dollar or two if it is a bigger model) as a Heavy Infantry shocktrooper badass.

And if you're starting out, games almost never get larger than 300 points. Depending on what faction you choose, you'll usually have around 8-10 models if you roll really elite, or more likely around 12-15 if you mix in some cheaper units. You might spend around $150.

The only reason Infinity is expensive to me is because I can't... stop... buying... models.

Everything looks wonderful and exciting, and they look badass painted up on the table.

You can get a fully painted force done in no time. And unlike games where you're painting the same. Damn. Guy. OVER and OVER again just so you can fill out a squad of 20 whatsits... instead you get 10 or 12 models that are all unique and special. It is really like you have your own Spec Ops Squad. The personality from the forces oozes.

And with cool new releases popping out monthly, and rules that make it a BLAST to play on the table (did I mention they're FREE), I won't be playing anything else for a long time.

Rock on CB, you can have my credit card, but you stole my heart.

That's an interesting take on things - I do appreciate you sharing your opinion!

INFINITY has a game system, so scaling them for use in other systems seems to be an odd thing to aim for.

Especially if by 'other games' you mean 40K? GW's bloated 'heroic scale' makes for some silly looking models when compared to...just about everything else.

As for the rest of your criticisms, it almost sounds as if your gaming group isn't quite getting some of the ins and outs of the game - which is entirely possibly has you're correct in saying that the rules can be a bit fiddly due to the whole Spanish to English thing, though later books are much better at it.

And one of the best things about the game is that there are no 'useless' models too!

I did find it interesting how many people dislike metal miniatures.

I used to be in that category... when I played GW games I would only go for plastics, because they were easier to kitbash/modify, tended to go together quickly and with no fuss or pinning, and were just generally easier to assemble.

I found that as I got more skilled in the hobby, and started branching out away from 40K, other games that interested me didn't have plastic options. So I could either ignore these really interesting models (Warmachine was just getting rolling at the time, and I'm forever a steampunk fan), or man up and take my game to the next level.

Taking the dive into working with metal gave my skills in general a boost, and now I get to enjoy plenty of games that can't afford the expensive proces of plastics, and don't want the fiddily nature of resin.

If that's the only thing stopping your from getting into Infinity, you are missing out. Yes... you are going to curse a lot when that one finnicky little bit won't fit on the ****STICK DAMN YOU.

*coughs*

Yeah that still happens. But damn they are pretty models.

The rules sound really fun but I don't like the background or models. None of the models look very interesting because their background isn't very interesting to me. It's not incredibly unique. I feel like if I played it I'd enjoy it, but it lacks the trifecta that Warhammer 40k has. It doesn't look like a bad game, it's just inferior, and truth be told the "I can't commit to another game" is also at play for me. So there's that. Also, I know I'm going to get a lot of political hate saying this but there's something I don't like about putting such a prominent, controversial religion in a detached science fiction game. I know they're doing it safely, but every time I think about it I'm driven to wonder why that idea came up in the first place. Lastly, I'm also not a fan of T&A in games that aren't being satirical or funny.

And with those last two points I've probably alienated the entire Infinity fan base.