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daedalus-templarius wrote:Oh, I'm pretty sure he would say that in his keynote at quakecon, he more lamented the fact that PCs have so much bs overhead and API issues that they need all that brute force to push the framerates they have now, while they have Rage running at 60fps on 5 year old consoles.

If it's running at 60fps solid I'd be surprised, and if it is then well done, that's impressive but it's certainly not the norm, the norm now is 30fps which dips to under 20fps when anything happens on screen.

Space Marine is running locked at 30fps with no slowdown during the action, as reviewed by http://arstechnica.com/, watched the video on both 360 and PS3.

And yes, Rage does run a solid 60fps on both consoles, that was a goal for Id; although for their next game they are looking to go locked 30 to make it prettier.

Soladrin wrote:[You missed my point by a mile, I'm not talking about the tech, I'm talking about the people.

I game on both PC and Console, and on both, I couldn't give less of a crap about FPS and the like unless it actually start impeding with my fun.

Low frame rate instantly saps any fun out of a game for me, sometimes I wish I wasn't so sensitive to it (there's some people that can't tell the difference between 100 and 10fps, damn you good eyesight!). As for the people, I guess you mean your friends only, as the console community is pretty terrible, less so on the PS3 as it seems 1/10 people actually have a mic, but on Xbox there's always at least one or two people shouting down the mic, being racist, swearing constantly, playing music and generally just being a waste of oxygen.

daedalus-templarius wrote:Oh, I'm pretty sure he would say that in his keynote at quakecon, he more lamented the fact that PCs have so much bs overhead and API issues that they need all that brute force to push the framerates they have now, while they have Rage running at 60fps on 5 year old consoles.

I knew that name sounded familiar. Did you manage to attend quakecon this year? I missed just about all the presentations but I still had a blast. Hearing you say that, I probably should have went to that one.

MrH wrote:

Soladrin wrote:[You missed my point by a mile, I'm not talking about the tech, I'm talking about the people.

I game on both PC and Console, and on both, I couldn't give less of a crap about FPS and the like unless it actually start impeding with my fun.

Low frame rate instantly saps any fun out of a game for me, sometimes I wish I wasn't so sensitive to it (there's some people that can't tell the difference between 100 and 10fps, damn you good eyesight!). As for the people, I guess you mean your friends only, as the console community is pretty terrible, less so on the PS3 as it seems 1/10 people actually have a mic, but on Xbox there's always at least one or two people shouting down the mic, being racist, swearing constantly, playing music and generally just being a waste of oxygen.

What is mute?

I knew that name sounded familiar. Did you manage to attend quakecon this year? I missed just about all the presentations but I still had a blast. Hearing you say that, I probably should have went to that one.

I just watched the feed. I'm sure you can find his keynote and the panels online though; they fielded a surprising amount of questions from the PCMASTERRACE about how they managed to get their game to look so good/run so well on that ancient peasant technology.

MrH wrote:

Soladrin wrote:[You missed my point by a mile, I'm not talking about the tech, I'm talking about the people.

I game on both PC and Console, and on both, I couldn't give less of a crap about FPS and the like unless it actually start impeding with my fun.

Low frame rate instantly saps any fun out of a game for me, sometimes I wish I wasn't so sensitive to it (there's some people that can't tell the difference between 100 and 10fps, damn you good eyesight!). As for the people, I guess you mean your friends only, as the console community is pretty terrible, less so on the PS3 as it seems 1/10 people actually have a mic, but on Xbox there's always at least one or two people shouting down the mic, being racist, swearing constantly, playing music and generally just being a waste of oxygen.

I find that PC gaming communities aren't much better. So as a rule of thumb, I only game with my mates, regardless of platform, theres always gaks around. Also: Mute public.

My problem isn't in the games. It's people on forums and other communication things that are just feeling superior simply because they are on a different platform, it's the console wars all over again ~~

daedalus-templarius wrote:Space Marine is running locked at 30fps with no slowdown during the action, as reviewed by http://arstechnica.com/, watched the video on both 360 and PS3.

And yes, Rage does run a solid 60fps on both consoles, that was a goal for Id; although for their next game they are looking to go locked 30 to make it prettier.

Do you really want to get into a "tit for tat" competition when it comes to recent games that manage 30fps solid and games that don't? Because you know I'll win that one, and we'll both waste the rest of the day looking it up. I said it was the "norm", I didn't say it's always the case, but usually it is these days. Just look at Crysis 2, Deus Ex, Duke Nukem, Dragon Age 2 etc, I could go on forever. Space Marine is the first game in a long time I've played on a console that actually felt "smooth", thanks to actually maintaining 30fps.

And props to ID, Rage isn't a bad looking game either.

MrH wrote:As for the people, I guess you mean your friends only, as the console community is pretty terrible, less so on the PS3 as it seems 1/10 people actually have a mic, but on Xbox there's always at least one or two people shouting down the mic, being racist, swearing constantly, playing music and generally just being a waste of oxygen.

Can't really say the PC is much better. I administrated numerous servers in CoD4, BFBC2, and BLOPS (not that BLOPs left me with much to do mind you). Can't tell you how often I had to deal with douches and idiots. The clan culture of the PC is stronger than on the consoles so you don't usually get one jerk you usually end up with three or four and that's just a nightmare And that's not even going into clan wars (though I've seen those less and less over the years as more casuals get onto PC).

At least on consoles, everyone seems to have given up on saying anything since Halo 2 I rarely have a problem on XBox live these days with anyone being rude or My last Reach binge was three months ago. Played for about three weeks straight and wondered where all the were

I nuked Origin as soon as I noted the t&c, no way in hell is a games company having access to my PC to that degree, where I go and all that jazz.

If it had been happy to install on my shield account, I might have gone along with it, but nope, wanted to be on my admin one, so blam, its gone.

EA can go whistle. Sims 3 runs without it anyways, so nothing I need to worry about.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I nuked Origin as soon as I noted the t&c, no way in hell is a games company having access to my PC to that degree, where I go and all that jazz.

You should read my post towards the bottom of page one. If you're going to complain about the terms, you really should examine them and complain about something that's actually there.

Double post.

daedalus-templarius wrote:What is mute?

You're doing it wrong. It should be "A function which allows you to silence obnoxious players.".

daedalus-templarius wrote:What is mute?

Yes, well done, you can mute people, I already knew that, that doesn't stop them being a waste of oxygen.

LordofHats wrote:You should read my post towards the bottom of page one. If you're going to complain about the terms, you really should examine them and complain about something that's actually there.

You keep making it sound like it was never there when it was. It doesn't matter to some people if they fixed it or not, it's that they had the audacity to even try it in the first place.

http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/ea-updates-origin-eula-after-criticism/

MrH wrote:

daedalus-templarius wrote:Space Marine is running locked at 30fps with no slowdown during the action, as reviewed by http://arstechnica.com/, watched the video on both 360 and PS3.

And yes, Rage does run a solid 60fps on both consoles, that was a goal for Id; although for their next game they are looking to go locked 30 to make it prettier.

Do you really want to get into a "tit for tat" competition when it comes to recent games that manage 30fps solid and games that don't? Because you know I'll win that one, and we'll both waste the rest of the day looking it up. I said it was the "norm", I didn't say it's always the case, but usually it is these days. Just look at Crysis 2, Deus Ex, Duke Nukem, Dragon Age 2 etc, I could go on forever. Space Marine is the first game in a long time I've played on a console that actually felt "smooth", thanks to actually maintaining 30fps.

And props to ID, Rage isn't a bad looking game either.

Not really, I was just telling you that the hardware is capable of this, but some developers are not.

I mean, I have a pretty high end PC as well, but I do most of my gaming on console since I spend enough time in front of the pc doing art/working.

Necroshea wrote:You keep making it sound like it was never there when it was. It doesn't matter to some people if they fixed it or not, it's that they had the audacity to even try it in the first place.

http://bf3blog.com/2011/08/ea-updates-origin-eula-after-criticism/

The problem is that it wasn't. What people are complaining about isn't the EULA and what it lets EA do but some ambiguous language in it the EULA that people have blown out of proportion. EA didn't change their terms at all or their practices when it comes to data collection (nor do they do anything that every other company doesn't). They reworded them.

It shocks me people are afraid of EA having their information, but your ISP has way more on you than EA ever will.

Well for a company making the kind of cash EA is making, they should have had staff making sure it was clearer in the first place.

Regardless, my PC is running better since its gone, so its going to stay gone.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Regardless, my PC is running better since its gone, so its going to stay gone.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I nuked Origin as soon as I noted the t&c, no way in hell is a games company having access to my PC to that degree, where I go and all that jazz.

If it had been happy to install on my shield account, I might have gone along with it, but nope, wanted to be on my admin one, so blam, its gone.

EA can go whistle. Sims 3 runs without it anyways, so nothing I need to worry about.

Been changed, old news.

I know its been changed, but I don't like EA, so they lost me by having a badly worded t&c.

I barely play PC games anyways, I only downloaded it because It gave the impression Sims 3 needed it to run, which is rollocks.

Laugh all you want MrH, you don't own my PC, and it is running better since its gone. Its start up asking me if I want to connect to origin rubbish was slowing it down whenever I turned it on.

MrH wrote:
Whatever, you've already decided you hate it (without even trying it) and nothing will change your mind, it could deposit £5 to your Paypal account every time you click join server and you'd still find something to complain about.

Well, have you seen paypal fees lately? Besides, with exchange rates as they are, I'd probably only be making pennies from it.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Laugh all you want MrH, you don't own my PC, and it is running better since its gone. Its start up asking me if I want to connect to origin rubbish was slowing it down whenever I turned it on.

He's been on this holier than thou kick since this thread started, and light help you if you say BF3 is less then superior to everything imaginable.

At this point, everyone in this thread should take a deep breath, realize that we're talking about Video Games on a Forum primarily dedicated to Wargames involving Toy Soldiers.

Then, everyone might need to refresh their memories in regards to the rules of this site.

There's a link in my signature.

Any questions, let me know!

Thanks!

Necroshea wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Laugh all you want MrH, you don't own my PC, and it is running better since its gone. Its start up asking me if I want to connect to origin rubbish was slowing it down whenever I turned it on.

He's been on this holier than thou kick since this thread started, and light help you if you say BF3 is less then superior to everything imaginable.

Oh c'mon, that's not really the case. He mostly just wants you to try the new browser before condemning it; which I totally agree with. As long as it is fast enough, who cares.

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Necroshea wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Laugh all you want MrH, you don't own my PC, and it is running better since its gone. Its start up asking me if I want to connect to origin rubbish was slowing it down whenever I turned it on.

He's been on this holier than thou kick since this thread started, and light help you if you say BF3 is less then superior to everything imaginable.

Oh c'mon, that's not really the case. He mostly just wants you to try the new browser before condemning it; which I totally agree with. As long as it is fast enough, who cares.

Exactly, thank you. If someone needs to twist your words they've already lost IMO, and that's exactly what he did.

We all lost because we couldn't have a civil discussion. Now drop it.

daedalus-templarius wrote:He mostly just wants you to try the new browser before condemning it; which I totally agree with.

And its a perfectly fine position (probably the more reasonable one). It's also perfectly fine to hear the idea and think it's a senseless and silly decision (which inevitably involves a little nerd rage but that's the way things go).

And that's how the cooky crumbles...

I just felt like doing that

johnscott10 wrote:While i tried the Black Ops multiplayer weekend thing on steam, the fact that BF3 are removing a menu which is really useful is darn right stupid.

Not that it matters tbh, I wasnt plannin on buyin BF3 anyway after all the crap Ea have done.

Same here, I don't want to download origin and have EA spy on me either. And no server browser? WTF? It's a frikking shame, too, seeing as the gameplay is almost certain to be better than that of MW3.

GalacticDefender wrote:

johnscott10 wrote:While i tried the Black Ops multiplayer weekend thing on steam, the fact that BF3 are removing a menu which is really useful is darn right stupid.

Not that it matters tbh, I wasnt plannin on buyin BF3 anyway after all the crap Ea have done.

Same here, I don't want to download origin and have EA spy on me either. And no server browser? WTF? It's a frikking shame, too, seeing as the gameplay is almost certain to be better than that of MW3.

Tbh the EA download manager kept trying to update to Origin every time I turned my comp on and I let it, I made sure to read the T&Cs(for a change), but tbh since iv installed it I have never used it :s Seems a waste now.

Thats only 1 of the reasons I aint gettin BF3, the main one being all my mates will get MW3.