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Frazzled wrote:Thats not accurate actually.
*Taxes.
*Transport costs and bottlenecks.
*Supply to a region.
*Refining capacity in a region, and complexity of that capacity.

Figure out what the prices for gas are in various areas, then subtract out taxes. You'll find that prices are much closer to one another. Although (IIRC from the last time I did this), Australia has slightly higher prices. Probably due to transport costs.

Example:
Average UK price per liter (petrolprices.com) 135.19p = 135.19p/l
US ppg (gasbuddy.com) $3.479 = 58.59p/l
CA price per liter (gasbuddy.com) 123.896 = 79.41p/l

The UK charges £0.5795/liter in taxes, +20% VAT. Canada is $0.245/litre (average) and the US average is $0.47/gallon. Subtracting these out:

UK: 0.6436 GBP/liter = 64.4 p/liter
CA: 0.99396 CAD/liter = 63.4 p/liter
US: 3.009 USD/gallon = 50.5 p/liter

The US is cheaper, those differences are probably largely due to supply and demand issues. But like I said, most of the difference is taxes.

(Dakka doesn't like "p.p.l.")

Gasoline is fungible. The variation in price difference at the wholesale level should be almost entirely attributed to proximity to refineries and transportation cost.

I haven't/won't double check biccat's math, but I have no trouble believing that it's correct.

sourclams wrote:Gasoline is fungible. The variation in price difference at the wholesale level should be almost entirely attributed to proximity to refineries and transportation cost.

I haven't/won't double check biccat's math, but I have no trouble believing that it's correct.

And bottlenecks. Its still a physical commodity.

sourclams wrote:Gasoline is fungible. The variation in price difference at the wholesale level should be almost entirely attributed to proximity to refineries and transportation cost.

By "supply and demand" issues, I meant everything else. The US has a better distribution system because we have a higher consumption; we have more refineries because it makes sense to process oil to gasoline here.

But most of the price difference (80%) is taxes.

FWIW: Australia comes in at 71p/liter, quite high.

Frazzled wrote:And bottlenecks. Its still a physical commodity.

True, but that shouldn't result in much variation in price spreads, only in absolute price levels. And bottleneck issues tend to be temporal rather than enduring; eventually the market adjusts. The Libyan impact on WTI:Brent spreads would be a good example.

sourclams wrote:

Frazzled wrote:And bottlenecks. Its still a physical commodity.

True, but that shouldn't result in much variation in price spreads, only in absolute price levels. And bottleneck issues tend to be temporal rather than enduring; eventually the market adjusts. The Libyan impact on WTI:Brent spreads would be a good example.

It does. Look at the WTI/Brent differential.

And no, they're not temporary.

Eventually the makrte adjusts. Of course. And eventually we all die.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:I recieved this and found it rather enlightning....
Rant/rave and fume all you like; sorces are cited.


**snipped highly partisan bs and tinfoil hat wearing allusion**

Thank you for bringing yourself to our attention and giving us all a very clear window into what you consider newsworthy and who you are as a poster here, welcome to ignore.

tata!

Ooooooo.... now you've gone an done it.

Yep I believe in alot of this stuff. Some of the posters have given good arguments (via sorces) that have made me change my mind on a few things. But I still hate what is going on in our country right now. Granted when you get the option between Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich, you're screwed either way. I dont believe that changing the US economy toward more of a global system (euro) is going to help much, seeing how much of europe is in as bad or worse shape than us fiscally.
We borrow money FROM China, then give money TO China for foreign aid? Dont seem right.
I had thought at one time maybe old Japan had a good idea, keeping their borders closed. But looking on that, duiring WWII, if we had that policy @ 3/4 of the globe would be speaking German/Japanese right now.

Oh, and it's REDNECK..... one word. Yes I am one... admittidly. I have pictures of dead animals to prove it.

gregor_xenos wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

gregor_xenos wrote:I recieved this and found it rather enlightning....
Rant/rave and fume all you like; sorces are cited.


**snipped highly partisan bs and tinfoil hat wearing allusion**

Thank you for bringing yourself to our attention and giving us all a very clear window into what you consider newsworthy and who you are as a poster here, welcome to ignore.

tata!

Ooooooo.... now you've gone an done it.

Yep I believe in alot of this stuff. Some of the posters have given good arguments (via sorces) that have made me change my mind on a few things. But I still hate what is going on in our country right now. Granted when you get the option between Giant Douche and Turd Sandwich, you're screwed either way. I dont believe that changing the US economy toward more of a global system (euro) is going to help much, seeing how much of europe is in as bad or worse shape than us fiscally.
We borrow money FROM China, then give money TO China for foreign aid? Dont seem right.
I had thought at one time maybe old Japan had a good idea, keeping their borders closed. But looking on that, duiring WWII, if we had that policy @ 3/4 of the globe would be speaking German/Japanese right now.

Oh, and it's REDNECK..... one word. Yes I am one... admittidly. I have pictures of dead animals to prove it.

Still waiting for you to provide the sources for all the gak in that OP...

CT GAMER wrote:Still waiting for you to provide the sources for all the gak in that OP...

As previously stated: This was an e-mail I recieved with "sources" cited at the end of the mail.

gregor_xenos wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Still waiting for you to provide the sources for all the gak in that OP...

As previously stated: This was an e-mail I recieved with "sources" cited at the end of the mail.

Those aren't sources. Sources look like this:



Not like this:

gregor_xenos wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:Still waiting for you to provide the sources for all the gak in that OP...

As previously stated: This was an e-mail I recieved with "sources" cited at the end of the mail.

And as others and myself previously stated: anyone can list a bunch of gak and then list a bunch of people/places that are supposedly sources without giving any actual links to data/info.

But then I guess people who write that kind of gak are banking on sheeples believing it without question...

What's that? You're taking his terminology and using it against him?

Say it isn't so! Oh the huge manatee!

Also, did you seriously expect all of those to have real sources? (I know you didn't )

gregor_xenos wrote:"Mr. Hope and Change" wants to create a nation humbled; humiliated, casting-aside capitalism and individual freedoms for one where we the people are government controlled.

I stopped reading right there.

gregor_xenos wrote:Funny how anyone else would have provided it "on the spot" rather than waiting so long to do so.

I'd tell you to kiss my pasty white ass.

I ain't givin' my damned birth certificate to anyone I don't legally have to

MrDwhitey wrote:What's that? You're taking his terminology and using it against him?

Say it isn't so! Oh the huge manatee!

Also, did you seriously expect all of those to have real sources? (I know you didn't )

Melissia wrote:I ain't givin' my damned birth certificate to anyone I don't legally have to

Is it because you were once a man?

*Jumps into cover*

Chowderhead wrote:

Melissia wrote:I ain't givin' my damned birth certificate to anyone I don't legally have to

Is it because you were once a man?

*Jumps into cover*

Nah, she was born in kenya.

Also you're disqualified from entering the Dakka drag contest Mel.

Drag contest eh? Should I shave?

No

corpsesarefun wrote:No

Wrong.

Dwhitey in Drag. This I would pay to see.

biccat wrote:Figure out what the prices for gas are in various areas, then subtract out taxes. You'll find that prices are much closer to one another. Although (IIRC from the last time I did this), Australia has slightly higher prices. Probably due to transport costs.

Yeah, it's transport, and also a non-competitive retail market.

Chowderhead wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:No

Wrong.

Dwhitey in Drag. This I would pay to see.

Bet you would.

As far as birth certificates go: Give me six months and a coupla million dollars and I can provide one saying I was born in the "7th ring of Dante's Inferno".

corpsesarefun wrote:Also you're disqualified from entering the Dakka drag contest Mel.

Why not? I bet I look smashing in a suit and tie.

Drag is more than just cross dressing, it's about being sensational and over the top

If you can dress in an over the top hyper-masucline but still tacky and somehow attractive style you are welcome to enter

I'd need a muscle suit? Yuck.

gregor_xenos wrote:Yep I believe in alot of this stuff. Some of the posters have given good arguments (via sorces) that have made me change my mind on a few things.

Well it's good that you've stopped believing a few things, but really you need to stop believing almost everything on that list. As I pointed out in my earlier post, the stuff isn't true.

I dont believe that changing the US economy toward more of a global system (euro) is going to help much, seeing how much of europe is in as bad or worse shape than us fiscally.

There's no meaningful move to put the US on a common currency. If there was, it would be other countries adopting the US dollar.

We borrow money FROM China, then give money TO China for foreign aid? Dont seem right.

The thing to remember is that you're not giving money to China, just to generally help them out. What you're actually doing is setting up specific programs to help develop ideas in China that the US thinks are important, particularly conservation. So you pay $4 million dollars, and you get $4 million worth of increased environmental awareness in China.

I had thought at one time maybe old Japan had a good idea, keeping their borders closed. But looking on that, duiring WWII, if we had that policy @ 3/4 of the globe would be speaking German/Japanese right now.

More to the point, the US is rich because of it's international trade. It allows you to specialise in things you're very good at that pay a high wage (like high level manufacturing, and high end services) and trade with countries, who in turn specialise in low skilled, poor wage goods. You can't just benefit from all that trade without being willing to send troops overseas to ensure the system remains stable.

corpsesarefun wrote:Drag is more than just cross dressing, it's about being sensational and over the top

If you can dress in an over the top hyper-masucline but still tacky and somehow attractive style you are welcome to enter

Wife beater and boxers it is.


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gregor_xenos wrote:
As far as birth certificates go: Give me six months and a coupla million dollars and I can provide one saying I was born in the "7th ring of Dante's Inferno".

You need that much time, and money?

gregor_xenos wrote:Bet you would.

As far as birth certificates go: Give me six months and a coupla million dollars and I can provide one saying I was born in the "7th ring of Dante's Inferno".

And will the governor of the state it was generated in, who is of the opposing party and who is actively campaigning for your opponent; also vouch that it is accurate?

Melissia wrote:I'd need a muscle suit? Yuck.

Just drop out of college and spend the new few months solidly working out, it will be fine.

No, it'd take some serious drugs for me to build up enough muscle to look manly, especialy in "a few months".

Then I'm afraid I'll have to let you go from this content :/