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Ediin wrote:


AMURRICAFUDGE YEAH1!!!!!

Anyone else think that this looks a little....OTT? It's about as unbiased as The Patriot. I mean, the star-spangled banner waving behind Mr.Washington as he orders his troops
forward and using at least two sentences to describe the cruelty of those guddam brits...But we fight 4 freedom!!!!!

HURR DURR!!

Its not OTT.
Its American.
Like this.

QFFT. I'm always a little amazed when my buddies get up-in-arms about killing innocents in games. I have more than one friend who refuses to play Saints Row 2 because of the Brotherhood missions, notably one where you lock a woman in the trunk of a car and deliver it to a monster truck rally, where her boyfriend crushes the car she's in. I mean, it's a game. A fairly brutal game at times, but a game nonetheless.

So no, no I don't feel uncomfortable controlling my bunch of pixels into killing other bunches of pixels. Because it's just a game.

Well to be fair that Saints Row mission sounds pretty awful, then again I have no context for the mission. Though it's worth mentioning that the mindless, juvenile violence and humour is probably why I never liked the Saints Row series. Also It's not unusual to feel uncomfortable doing certain things in a game, no one lives in a vacuum where their psyche doesn't colour any of the experiences in fiction; certain actions carried out by the player are going to affect people. I mean you wouldn't say movies and books don't affect you because it's all make believe right? Granted I don't think a game has every really affected me emotionally because frankly none of them are written that well.

The main reason it gets me is because the same friends have beaten Saints Row 1, have beaten Saints Row: the Third, and are looking forward to Saints Row 4. But they refuse to go anywhere near 2 because of one set of missions.

And in context, the woman is not an innocent by any stretch of the imagination. She effectively runs the entire Brotherhood, and her boyfriend is leader mostly in name. Not only that, but it was her idea to take down a member of the Saints in a brutal fashion.

Maybe it's just me being older, but I'm just not really affected by these kind of things in games. I mean, there are uncomfortable moments, I'll give you that, but they're few and far between. There was actually an interesting article that I read where basically video games that the author once found delightful, were now just more of the same. Yet his kids were playing the same game and being immensely entertained by imagining themselves doing something in the game. As an adult gamer now, I just don't that into it anymore.

This woman murdered Carlos, who the boss considered a little brother, by tying him to a truck, and having that truck drag him around the city. The boss him/herself has to perform a mercy kill on Carlos. She got absolutely no sympathy from me.

Alright thanks for the clarification on the Saints Row stuff.

Anyway back on track does anyone else think the new assassin looks silly? Certainly out of place in colonial America. And his fancy snow-white robes really don't mesh with the bits of fur and Native American fashion he's got.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/338316/assassins-creed-3-first-details-new-hero-is-connor-not-all-english-are-evil/

Some more juicy information.

Galdos wrote:Holy crap I would too.

My thing about games is that I like to get into them and pretend they are really happening. So in an RTS game, that "Rifleman" is not just a unit, he is a soldier who could have a family back home. It really improves the experience for me. I dont personally care if other people dont do this or dont have a problem doing what you did. Me PERSONALLY, I dont want to do it

Yeah, that's fair and I think most people do much the same. Which is why we have character design and stories in games, rather than abstract coloured blobs.

But what's weird is that at least some people seem to have no problem killing Middle Eastern soldiers in CoD and the like, but draw the line at killing British troops in a game like this.

I'm calling it now,Benjamin Franklin will be the zany inventor that builds us stuff ala Da Vinci in AC II.

corpsesarefun wrote:I'm calling it now,Benjamin Franklin will be the zany inventor that builds us stuff ala Da Vinci in AC II.

the Article wrote:Benjamin Franklin: He's not a convenient inventor a la Da Vinci.

Damnit!

That was a weirdly specific rebuke.

sebster wrote:

Galdos wrote:Holy crap I would too.

My thing about games is that I like to get into them and pretend they are really happening. So in an RTS game, that "Rifleman" is not just a unit, he is a soldier who could have a family back home. It really improves the experience for me. I dont personally care if other people dont do this or dont have a problem doing what you did. Me PERSONALLY, I dont want to do it

Yeah, that's fair and I think most people do much the same. Which is why we have character design and stories in games, rather than abstract coloured blobs.

But what's weird is that at least some people seem to have no problem killing Middle Eastern soldiers in CoD and the like, but draw the line at killing British troops in a game like this.

Well the United States and the Middle East soldiers dont have the best relationships while the British have been a long term ally of America and even during the Revolution people were fighting that war with a bad taste in their mouths becasue they considered the British their brothers. I guess it could be considered a little weird but it also makes perfect sense

Galdos wrote:

Sebster wrote:

Yeah, that's fair and I think most people do much the same. Which is why we have character design and stories in games, rather than abstract coloured blobs.

But what's weird is that at least some people seem to have no problem killing Middle Eastern soldiers in CoD and the like, but draw the line at killing British troops in a game like this.

Well the United States and the Middle East soldiers dont have the best relationships while the British have been a long term ally of America and even during the Revolution people were fighting that war with a bad taste in their mouths becasue they considered the British their brothers. I guess it could be considered a little weird but it also makes perfect sense

Actually (For me at least) it's the relish with which people enjoy killing others who were (at the time) technically their countrymen...
I find it fairly disturbing...
Though to amend my previous comment: I would be fine with killing British troops as long as they are equally the 'bad guy' as much as the US troops are...

I personally am hoping that the storyline isn't HURR DURR HELP AMURRICA! and the british are the templars, etc. I hope that the war is neutral, although I am American.

In the previous Assassin's Creed games, it's pretty clear that the Templars were the power behind the throne for early America. I remember distinctly having to find some of those hidden clues in things like currency, or Washington's portrait, or things like that.

Ya, the eniter concept of the US was just a giant Templar trick. Hopefully they keep that crazy conspiracy stuff in there.