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Thats a little flamey Jihadin.

I actually heard that excuse being made

Well, there is the verse about the body being a temple.

Some people are just whiners, it has nothing to do with their faith. They'd whine no matter what.

I honestly thought I had clicked a wrong link or something when I came in here...

Anyway, back to fat people.

This really shouldn't be the governments job. Doctors should already be doing it as part of their duties.

Or we could all just worship Papa Nurgle and be done with it.

Its an individual responsibility to know what's good for one self. I might get fast food like once every 60 days but I know some people who try it 24/7.

Back to the OP issue... The idea is to use a flawed metric (BMI) to determine who needs to "lose weight".

Weight issue is a two edge sword. Everyone focus on "Chubs"...we have people who are under weight to. I've seen quite a few people who needs to "grow a chest"

Kovnik Obama wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

Jihadin wrote:2012 Apocalypse around the corner...first to starve is the thin people

We will just eat the fatties.

Zombieland survival rule #1: Cardio.

feth that,
survival tip #1 Im actually prepared AND am a much better shot then you.
Survival tip #2 Hope your cardio is better then my previously stated #1

How to look insane protip #1 : Pretend you are ready for a zombiepocalypse
How to look insane protip #2 : Makes unnecessary threats about who you will shoot during eventual zombiepocalypse
How to look insance AND full of gak protip #1 : make previous claims while being a fatty (everyone knows that no fatty could ever survive more than 5 minutes in a zombiepocalypse)

Wow, you even threw in a nice personal insult there. Nice. Well before I report that gem, Im going to say my statement is true. I go to the range pretty regularly, and practice shooting drills and and such with my oldest brother. Hes a Marine, a Sargent that spent his time as an MSG over seas AND was in charge of the training of the other Marines to protect the Embassy. I keep up with him, being a "fatty" so again, I can actually BACK UP my internet badass claim bud

Jihadin wrote:Weight issue is a two edge sword. Everyone focus on "Chubs"...we have people who are under weight to. I've seen quite a few people who needs to "grow a chest"

Or eat a burger...

A bit of what you crave is good for you....

azazel the cat wrote:You obviously missed my point. I was trying to say that if everyone is forced to purchase 3rd party health insurance, but the prices of that insurance are not regulated, then the insurance providers can charge astronomically high rates because the consumer has no option to decline.

But wouldn't this require the insurance companies to form an illegal cartel? The people (or the companies employing them) still get to pick from a selection of competing insurers, right?

Vulcan wrote:American ideals involve being wealthy and having lots of toys with which to enjoy your freedoms.
Christian ideals involve helping others even at great expense to yourself.
The two clash quite horribly [...]

I realize this, but had thought that a lot of people would strive to somehow combine the two - at least given the role religion apparently plays in the US.
I guess many people might be Janus-faced in that they put on the mask of "good Christians" and go to church, but actually don't care at all for the message. Like certain Senators who were all about family values until the media found out he was a regular customer of the same hookers he'd been damning on TV for years. It is as if people are afraid to show their true face because they know they'd be shunned, even if so many people are just like them. I think we have this kind of hypocrisy in just about every human nation, but in the US it seems particularly strong. Though perhaps only because some people are spending so much effort to make themselves look like saints, so the gap between the mask and the real face is even wider.

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azazel the cat wrote:You obviously missed my point. I was trying to say that if everyone is forced to purchase 3rd party health insurance, but the prices of that insurance are not regulated, then the insurance providers can charge astronomically high rates because the consumer has no option to decline.

But wouldn't this require the insurance companies to form an illegal cartel? The people (or the companies employing them) still get to pick from a selection of competing insurers, right?

They have, several times over, and any choices that are presented are really just Hobson's choices. The health insurance field in the US is just a zaibatsu, as are most of its other industries.

azazel the cat wrote:They have, several times over, and any choices that are presented are really just Hobson's choices. The health insurance field in the US is just a zaibatsu, as are most of its other industries.

Ah, I see why that could be a problem. "Free enterprise" at its finest...
I'd still say that even an expensive insurance is better than no insurance, given what could happen to the unfortunate, but perhaps I'm just having a too optimistic PoV on this development. I wish the people in the US the best in getting this sorted out.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

Jihadin wrote:2012 Apocalypse around the corner...first to starve is the thin people

We will just eat the fatties.

Zombieland survival rule #1: Cardio.

feth that,
survival tip #1 Im actually prepared AND am a much better shot then you.
Survival tip #2 Hope your cardio is better then my previously stated #1

How to look insane protip #1 : Pretend you are ready for a zombiepocalypse
How to look insane protip #2 : Makes unnecessary threats about who you will shoot during eventual zombiepocalypse
How to look insance AND full of gak protip #1 : make previous claims while being a fatty (everyone knows that no fatty could ever survive more than 5 minutes in a zombiepocalypse)

Dial it back just a notch, bud. Zombie Apoc is fun and games and standard joking material for many gamers. Zombie Apoc also makes a fun game of "what if" for people who enjoy disaster preparedness and/or shooting as a hobby.

You look to be making the game a little less friendly. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting.

Fat...thin...fit....in a even start run for your life I be the one to throw a flash bang. I'm a team player. If I see KC lagging behind because of the insane amount of ammo and weapons he's carrying I back him up. because I to is carrying triple load out for my M4/M9 and a SAW...couple detcords....frags...claymores...bangolore topedo...C4 blocks....MRE's...bucket of KFC along side my bucket of Popeye...coffee maker...cigs...wait....this is Amerika...."GET IN THE DAMN JEEP KC!!!"

They do this in Japan.

Every year you have to go for a health check and the doctor will tell you off for being fat if your waist size is above the medically prescribed maximum.

Frazzled wrote:Excellent. We've now converted a thread about government going after fatties to a "lets bash Christians thread #2,465" thread.

Really? I thought this was the daily bash Obama thhread.

Jihadin wrote:Fat...thin...fit....in a even start run for your life I be the one to throw a flash bang. I'm a team player. If I see KC lagging behind because of the insane amount of ammo and weapons he's carrying I back him up. because I to is carrying triple load out for my M4/M9 and a SAW...couple detcords....frags...claymores...bangolore topedo...C4 blocks....MRE's...bucket of KFC along side my bucket of Popeye...coffee maker...cigs...wait....this is Amerika...."GET IN THE DAMN JEEP KC!!!"

This left me in tears Thats fething hilarious

Grey Templar wrote:Because the Christian faith includes more then what is said in the new testament. It includes everything in the bible, including Leviticus which condemms homosexuality as a crime(punishable by death)

Of course all sin is punishable by death so its a moot point.

"The wages of sin are death" as I recall. Where the reward for faith is eternal life.

Yes, I have read the bible.

And I'll point out a detail you seem to have missed. The Old Testament (the Torah, as the Jewish faithful call it) describes - get ready! - the old pact between God (Jehovah) and the tribes of Israel. The New Testament talks about - here it comes - the new pact, between God and all the people of the world.

As such... the Old Testament is about as relavent to Christianity as the legal codes of the Roman Empire are to modern America.

And yet Christian fundies continue to use Leviticus to justify hatred of homosexuals. Also pretty sure Jesus said something about how the old laws still apply, something like "I have not come to abolish the old laws, but fulfill them".

Its hatred of the sin, the sinner can be forgiven.

My point was not hatred of homosexual people vs hated of homosexual acts, it was Vulcan's statement that Old Testament rules are irrelevant to Christianity.

I guess the problem is that people cherrypick which parts of their religion they want to follow up, and which to dismiss. I've seen this as a particularly strong trend in Christianity as well as Islam, though I guess this also has to do with both religions just being extremely prominent as well as dogmatic in their various interpretations.

Unfortunately, the religious leaders, where they exist, are doing little to reign in or denounce "rogue" members. Thus the gap between what a religion is supposedly standing for and what it actually represents as enacted/preached by some of its members can be surprisingly wide.

Personally I love when people trot out Leviticus....as it actually maps out how the Hebrews were to conduct their lives and religion.
Though it is part 3 that is the one that covers what is restricted....including Pork (Ham, bacon, ribs...) Lobster, crab, oysters. Touching dead animals not killed for sacrifice or food or that are restricted as food. Tattoos are specificallly mentioned.

Then there is this tidbit from Lev 19:17 (Chapter 19, verse 17) "You shall not bear hatred for your brother in your heart. Though you may have to reprove your fellow man, do not incur sin because of him."

You wanna play bible study, you should know the whole.... blessed.. thing, not just the parts that support your view.

Jihadin wrote:Wasn't concern. My medical free...something to do with 20+ yrs army and being wounded twice pretty good. To me its unsustainable unless our gov't can get a rein on its spending.

You sounded like you were, what with wondering if the country being financially broken.

And given you again repeated your claim about government getting a reign on its spending, then the fact that Obamacare will reduce spending in the healthcare system and reduce government spending means you should be wildly in favour of it.


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azazel the cat wrote:I agree with you in principle; but I have a feeling that placing marginalized people between a rock and a hard place isn't going to win the hearts & minds.

But the rock and hard place right now is 'don't have insurance, hope you don't get sick'. Having people spend what is a pretty minor amount of money for the fine so they can get coverage when they need it isn't ideal, but it's much, much better.

The point I was getting at is that in the US, the insurance companies have all but colluded to fix prices. If those companies decide to set a standard rate for insurance at $500 (random figure here to prove a point) per month, per person, and the fine is $250 per person, then anyone barely above the poverty line is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

People can not buy insurance. They can pay the fine, and then if they get sick enough that it becomes worthwhile, they buy insurance.

All I'm trying to say is that half measures toward social change generally never accomplish anything.

Everything is half measures, little fixes to make things a little more efficient, or a little more fair. That's how we build complex systems. The alternative is revolution, and those have a generally crappy track record.


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Grey Templar wrote:Because the Christian faith includes more then what is said in the new testament. It includes everything in the bible, including Leviticus which condemms homosexuality as a crime(punishable by death)

Um, not really, no. Leviticus 11:10-12 says you should eat, or touch the carcass of any seafood without fins or scales. 12:5 says you shouldn't go to church within 66 days or having given birth to a girl. So any Christian that opposes homosexuality because of a single verse in Leviticus better go and read the thing, and get serious about the nonsense they'll have to introduce into their lives.

Fortunately for Christians, though, the fifth book of the New Testament has the story of Peter, in which he is given a vision in which he is told he can kill and eat all manner of animals that were previously forbidden, when he questions this God tells him 'What God has made clean, you must not call profane.’ Peter is puzzled by this vision, and then is greeted by three gentiles, who according to his religion he cannot take into his house. Peter realises this is the purpose of his vision - that all things previously called profane must be treated as God's creations. Peter travels with the gentiles, and eventually declares 'You yourselves know that it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with or to visit a Gentile; but God has shown me that I should not call anyone profane or unclean.’

This means the old rules about all kinds of arbitrarily profane things were no longer valid, God made them clean, and we should treat them as such.

So this is a big let off for any Christian that thinks Leviticus means homosexuality is wrong. The New Testament specifically moves past that.


And then there's that whole thing where the Son of God came to Earth and told people about being kind, and charitable a lot, and didn't mention homosexuality. So if you keep most of your money for yourself, but then talk about homosexuality being wrong because the Bible says so... odds are you're actually just a bigot.

Really I think the biggest argument for Christians to ignore Leviticus is the Leviticus and the jewish faith itself. The old testament or covenant is pretty specific in stating that the laws in the torah are only for jews because a jew must put it upon himself to be better then his fellow. There is no need for a gentile to follow the laws of the torah or Leviticus because god said that they apply only to jews, and that a gentile need not follow them to reach heaven or be reserected.

youbedead wrote:Really I think the biggest argument for Christians to ignore Leviticus is the Leviticus and the jewish faith itself. The old testament or covenant is pretty specific in stating that the laws in the torah are only for jews because a jew must put it upon himself to be better then his fellow. There is no need for a gentile to follow the laws of the torah or Leviticus because god said that they apply only to jews, and that a gentile need not follow them to reach heaven or be reserected.

The Bible doesn't really support that. Christianity is Judaism adapted to the needs of everyone (at the time), rather than solely towards the Jews, and ultimately only a few things were separated as being "Jews only." Namely the debate over circumcision, even though Christians by and large did it anyway.

I'm not getting any insurance any time soon, nor am I gonna pay any fines. Instead, I think I'll just become an illegal alien.

LordofHats wrote:The Bible doesn't really support that. Christianity is Judaism adapted to the needs of everyone (at the time), rather than solely towards the Jews, and ultimately only a few things were separated as being "Jews only." Namely the debate over circumcision, even though Christians by and large did it anyway.

The story I mentioned above from Acts is really very clear in how we are all supposed to treat the old Jewish laws in this brave new world - 'What God has made clean, you must not call profane.’ This was a step forward from an old way of viewing sanctity, that one must remain clean of impure things in order to be holy, and instead embrace the world that God created. It's really quite a remarkable concept for the time.

But, of course, loads of people like to pretend it's just talking about seafood, because they want to keep on hating on gay people.

Want to start another thread about religion?