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I think building guns in my house might be a little bit to much for the Mrs. I got enough ways to blow money already...

d-usa wrote:I think building guns in my house might be a little bit to much for the Mrs. I got enough ways to blow money already...

Little plastic and or metal soldiers? I remember those...

And photography.

Ah, well since mine are guns and minis my wife doesn't particualrly cotton to either collection growing by any means. Manufacturing or otherwise. I had received a polite warning that BATF was reviewing the guidelines for assembling vice manufacturing and that they may (or are) require a manufacturing license for assembly over a certain volume (5 a year I think)

AustonT wrote:Ah, well since mine are guns and minis my wife doesn't particualrly cotton to either collection growing by any means. Manufacturing or otherwise. I had received a polite warning that BATF was reviewing the guidelines for assembling vice manufacturing and that they may (or are) require a manufacturing license for assembly over a certain volume (5 a year I think)

How difficult is it to actually get a manufacturing license.

Depends on what you want to build and who it's for.

Don't be daft! Just use yer choppaz!

This has me wondering about your gun laws:

Here in the UK, you have to demonstrate a good reason to own a gun (self-defense isn't, work is etc) and then have the fit and proper checks.

Does the second amendment mean any US citizen is entitled to own a gun, so long as they're not mental?

Davylove21 wrote:This has me wondering about your gun laws:

Here in the UK, you have to demonstrate a good reason to own a gun (self-defense isn't, work is etc) and then have the fit and proper checks.

Does the second amendment mean any US citizen is entitled to own a gun, so long as they're not mental?

Yeah, we are pretty much the opposite. The state has to demonstrate a good reason for you not to own a gun (mental instability, prior criminal conviction, etc..). Some states do have waiting periods (buy today, walk out of the store with it next week), but so far for me I just walk into the store, fill out the paperwork, get a quick call to the government, and a "thank you, here is your gun".

Davylove21 wrote:This has me wondering about your gun laws:

Here in the UK, you have to demonstrate a good reason to own a gun (self-defense isn't, work is etc) and then have the fit and proper checks.

Does the second amendment mean any US citizen is entitled to own a gun, so long as they're not mental?

It depends on the state. IN some states and cities, its a defacto ban and if you actually use a firearm to defend yourself you go to jail. Chicago is a good example. In other states, people are raised from near infants around rifles and shotguns.

In Texas (aka God's Country, Australia East, the Devil's donkey-cave, gateway to New Mexico) one may legally own if :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas#Firearms_purchase_and_possession
An applicant must be eligible to purchase a handgun under the State and Federal laws (including an age restriction of 21), however an exception is granted to active members of the military who are age 18 and over. Additionally, a number of factors may make a person ineligible (temporarily or permanently) to obtain a license, including:

felony convictions (permanent) and Class A or B misdemeanors (5 years, permanent in cases of domestic violence), including charges that resulted in probation or deferred adjudication;
pending criminal charges (indefinite until resolved);
chemical or alcohol dependency (defined as 2 convictions for substance-related offenses in a 10-year period; 10-year ban from the date of the first conviction);
certain types of psychological diagnoses (indefinite until the condition is testified by a medical professional as being in remission);
protective or restraining orders (indefinite until rescinded); or
defaults on taxes, governmental fees, or child support (indefinite until resolved).[3]

Oh no, it's started!

Obama getting elected was a wonderful thing for firearms dealers. It seems like they would want to have him elected again, and stay quiet while the lobby bamboozles the masses. For months after he was elected some ammunition was really, really hard to find (at least in my region), and gun stores reported record sales.

As a 'liberal minded' pro-Obama person that also has a conceal carry permit, I can say that my gun owner rights have gotten 200% better while Obama has been in office. No complaints here.

I've received some phone calls from the NRA in the last couple years that are downright inaccurate and totally cater to fools that don't do their own research. One caller stated that "United Nations counties like North Korea and China are working to take away your rights to gun ownership." I chewed that guy a new one.

It was called the Obama Bullet Bubble. How come everyone else gets a bailout but me? Where's my Obama Bullet Bubble Bailout?

Lets not forot the 30 minute questioner/video of fire arms safety course you have to take unless military, law enforcement or firearms instructer

Frazz all you need is a hanger....dish detergent....

Jihadin wrote:Lets not forot the 30 minute questioner/video of fire arms safety course you have to take unless military, law enforcement or firearms instructer

Frazz all you need is a hanger....dish detergent....

Actually it's state dependent...or were you being sarcastic???

State dependent then lol. I didn't have to take it but watch a fellow take it. I found it amusing

Jihadin wrote:Lets not forot the 30 minute questioner/video of fire arms safety course you have to take unless military, law enforcement or firearms instructer

Frazz all you need is a hanger....dish detergent....

Are you talking CHL or just to legally purchase a firearm? In Texas nothing is required in that regard for purchase. The CHL is an all day class, something like 8 or 12 mandated hours (I forget).

I assume everyone had to have a fire arms safety course. That way the state can avoid an individual sueing it for not properly preparing them for owning a firearm....or did I just open a pandora box....

Nope, Washington State has no safety course requirement, You can walk into your local Sheriff's office with $50.00, pass the same checks you need to purchase a pistol, and about a week later you have a CHL...

Purchasing a long gun is even easier, on fathers day I walked into a gun shop with my wife, picked out a Colt M4 and 20 min later walked out the door with shiny new gun in tow.

I have had several hunters/gun safety classes bothe in the military, and as a kid living in Texas, but its optional here.

When I was a minor I had to take a firearm safety course to get my hunting permit off rez. It was all common sense stuff, how to cross fences with your guns, don't point at anything you do not intend to shoot, what to do if the gun jams etc. I do not think adults need to take a class in WA however.

Ninjad above.

Optional you say huh? Well my classes were over 20 years ago, foggy memories!

Yeah, the only places that require a safety course are some of the ranges, and its normally just a 15 minute course telling you about what the range master does and not to point your gun anywhere but down range. I was blown away when I purchased my first revolver in Washington, just a couple signatures and a 1 week wait and I was the proud owner of a .357


Edit: I don't know what the requirement is for a minor, I know in Texas we had to do a class to get our hunters permit, but haven't taken my kids hunting yet, they are a bit too young still, although they have fired, and know about the guns in the house.

Edit #2: I have to throw in a disclaimer, I think that everyone should go through gun safety courses, whether they own a gun or not, nothing says bad news like 2 kids who find their idiotic parents gun, who have no idea what a gun is capable of or how to handle it.

Here in Oregon there is absolutely no requirement for you to take a safety course of any kind. If you want a concealed carry permit, then yes you do take a course.

We can debate the constitutionality of needing a permit for conceal carry another time.

Of course, it is perfectly legal to open carry in Oregon, though a lot of the populace gets upset by this in the cities.

This state in its infinite wisdom, decided that the free Federal check via phone was not adequate when purchasing a fire arm. So, they mandated that they would handle it for a $10 fee when you purchase a firearm. Then the state agency gets a call, takes your $10, and makes the free call to the Feds instead. Brilliant.

Fortunately in the USA you can simply move state to avoid such tyranny, even without a passport.

Here in the UK I would have no choice but to move to France in order to find a different regime for buying a weapon.

Jihadin wrote:I assume everyone had to have a fire arms safety course. That way the state can avoid an individual sueing it for not properly preparing them for owning a firearm....or did I just open a pandora box....

The only thing required to buy a gun is filling out that 2 page form and having it called in. Anything else is state, county, or even municipal law.
Most ranges require you to watch a video or at least say you have. Unless something has changed in the last 15 years all or most states require a hunters safety course to be completed to buy tags, a lions share of who'd is firearms safety.

It should be mandatory but then it really doesn't matter.....cough cough Cheney cough cough

Yeah I mean in a country where guns are as prolific as they are we should probably have some sort if gun safety class, you could do it like sex ed, one day out of year kids get to lean about how properly respect, care for and handle a gun safely.

Yeah I mean in a country where guns are as prolific as they are we should probably have some sort if gun safety class, you could do it like sex ed, one day out of year kids get to lean about how properly respect, care for and handle a gun safely.

That used to be called the school rifle team, among other things.

Does the second amendment mean any US citizen is entitled to own a gun, so long as they're not mental?

Global Disqualifiers:

Felony convictions of any kind that have not been reduced to misdemeanor + expunged, or a restoration of firearms rights/pardon.
Being committed to a loony bin (As in, involuntarily. Voluntarily seeking mental help is not a DQ.)
Dishonorable discharge from the military
Misdemeanor conviction of domestic violence
Subject of a restraining order for as long as the RO is in effect (Vengeful girlfriend, anyone?)
<Insert spaghetti-on-wall maze of regulations for visitors to the US/people moving to the US here.> Trivia related to this: ITAR covers training, it is a <CENSORED> and yes, that is why I won't teach you how to use an M16/AR15, Mr. Foreigner.

There are other wonderful small details that can crop up too. Roommate/Love of your life a convict? What for? Is s/he a DQ? Better not have your stuff where he can get at it, or YOU are liable too!

I could go on about this crap all day.

One of the things that always makes me laugh on the 2 page form you have to fill out in Washington State to purchase a firearm is: Are you currently under the influence of an illegal narcotic?

I guess if you were and the counter guy couldn't tell and you really felt like being honest...

In response to the question of manufacturing firearms, I know its not easy to get the licence, and anther major factor is the cost. Once you start getting into that side of things it starts getting real expensive, really quickly. I'll try and look up some sources.


Edit: Well apparently cost isn't crazy, but the process of obtaining a FFL is. And its damned complicated due to all the different types etc, pretty much seems like any other Govt run licensing function, overly complicated.

Anyway I know its a Wikipedia link but its the best I can do on a tab ATM.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License#section_7

IronWarLeg wrote:One of the things that always makes me laugh on the 2 page form you have to fill out in Washington State to purchase a firearm is: Are you currently under the influence of an illegal narcotic?

I guess if you were and the counter guy couldn't tell and you really felt like being honest...

Somebody high on illegal narcotics might just be high enough to accidentally answer yes.

A few questions about gun laws in America:

Can you be jailed in Texas for NOT owning a gun, and are you allowed to shoot any citizen of the United Kingdom on July 4th if they approach your property

Back OT, if your not an American citizen, but you're living and working there on a green card? work permit, can you buy guns?