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Teacher's Union is upset that the government passed a bill that allows itself to legislate the teachers back to work with their expired contract, effectively negating the entire collective bargaining process.
In protest, the Teacher's Union says that they will no longer continue to do all the EXTRA WORK that they do FOR FREE.
And the teacher's NOT PUTTING IN OVERTIME FOR FREE is what makes you mad.
Help me understand your position; and then tell me when was the last time you worked two hours of unpaid overtime every day.
Spoiler:
The unions walked away from the bargaining table and refused to bargain in good faith. Ontario is flat broke. A $14 billion deificit means there's litterly no money left. Every other public sector union/group has had to fess up and take pay freezes and the like so that we can continue to ruin the province with things like buying Liberal seats by cancelling contracts and moving power plants and all-day government funded daycare... (sorry, 1.5 billion/year all-day Kindergarden)
The teachers have refused to aknowledge reality, so in order to get then under contract, the Libs created Bill 115 to impose the exact same contract that the French Teachers Union already negotiated and ratified. (and it's only for just 2 years at that, so it's hardly like our already highly overpaid teachers are going to suffer much)
Bill 115 doesn't remove bargaining rights, it simply imposes a viable and desperately needed contract that's fair to taxpayers AND teachers because the Public Teacher Unions want to just bury their heads in the sand and ignore financial reality.
The Unions have made a huge and very public promotion that they would NOT! put students in the middle of their rediculous demands/fight with the one-time BFF's they helped put in power.
Instead, they're simply using the students as pawns in their political games and saying crap like "it's not our fault, blame McFibby and the Fiberals" and "We're doing this for the rights of all Ontarians" and "This isn't about money!" (b-fing-s this isn't about money!)
Students have no sports, no clubs, no additional help, no nothing to look forward to beyond their basic lessons.
And the teachers are also outright denying students their future educations as well, since for numerous high school students, sports are their only way to get noticed for scholarships and/or teachers are refusing to write letters of recomendation to uni/colleges.
And as for "unpaid overtime"
Name me another profession that gets a job-for-life security, 2 months holidays over the summer, 2 weeks as Xmas, 1 week in March, optional 'professional development' days, an insanely good salery, full medical coverage, 20 sick days/year that can be banked and then cashed-in upon retirement for upto half a year's current pay, etc...
Teachers have it far too good, and they're acting like spoiled children because after ten years of getting everything they want, they're told "No" for once.
But they're not hurting the students...
Job-for-life-security? You'll have to define exactly what you mean by that, but generally, everything in the public sector applies.
2 Holiday months over the summer? You're clearly expressing your ignorance on the subject, and I strongly suggest that you actually learn about the subject before continuing. Teachers do not get paid for the time off in the summer. Most teacher's federations do allow for teachers to receive only 80% of their pay, however, in order to continue to receive a steady paycheque through the summer months. However, even past that, what you obviously fail to realise is that the 9-3 school day is NOT the extent of the work day for a teacher. Most teachers will actually spend 3+ more hours of marking and lesson planning every single day. that means the teachers' work day is closer to 9-10 hours, 5 days a week. That is a lot of very long weeks, and does not even begin to take into account the FREE OVERTIME they put in for coaching, tutoring, after school programs, etc. and on that note...
If you think after-school programs are so important and someone should be obligated to perform them, unpaid... tell me when the last time you volunteered to coach the school basketball team was. Go on. I'd love to hear it. You seem to think that someone is obligated to fill that role. Why not you?
Oh, and it's generally not about salaries. I'm willing to bet that the Teacher's Union left the bargaining table because the government refused to negotiate on class sizes. That is usually the huge issue, and it directly affects the quality of education that students receive.
As to your point about woe-is-the-poor-government-that-overspent-everyone-has-to-feel-the-pinch: that is complete and utter BS. I want you to take your paycheque, spend all of it, and then attempt to negotiate the lease on an apartment under the premise that you simply don't have enough money, and it's somehow the apartment owner's problem. Because that is the argument that the Ontario government is giving, and it is what you have clearly bought into without even the slightest bit of critical thought.
As for your inane "teachers have it too good" idea... that demonstrates your belief that teachers owe you something. Teachers should be given the same respect and pay that doctors, nurses, pilicement and firefighters receive. They are a foundational tool of our country and without them this country would end up with an education system like the US (sorry guys, but y'all know your public education system is fethed right now).
Also, I agree... Teachers ought to be held to the same esteem as Doctors / CEO.
You also forget that Teachers regularly bring home work too... When I was married, during the last 3 weeks or so of the quarter, I'd never see her has she's frantically writing up test plans, grading, writing progress reports... etc... shoot, even *I* helped her do some grading.
As many of you know... I'm pretty conservative... but, I'd have no problems with higher taxes if the school districts need them.
Thanks for that. Sorry for being far too aggressive in making my point originally.
That's what common sense tells ya... but, if you've ever witness'ed the epic negotiations between the Detroit's big Three vs the Unions... and usually anything but. Hence I said, "wait 6 months".
I agree that you can't really trust anything that comes out of a media release, and agree it's even more of a good point when the company in question is dealing with a group as difficult as the auto manufacturing unions. But this isn't about the press release - the expansion of their plant is a major undertaking, a massive investment in new capital, and not the kind of thing you'd do to pull one over the unions.
Now, it is entirely likely that what we're seeing is a car company overestimating its ability to expand, committing to a scale of production that's greater than its ability to sell cars. Other than Toyota I think they've all done that at one stage or another.
Yup... I would never buy a Chrysler either... they've always been problematic for me.
I had an old Mazda 626... and other than the fact it burnt a little oil (checked it every 1k miles), it was the only car I had that was maintenance free.
My first car was a Mazda 121 - that thing ran on no petrol and never had a maintenance problem. I've got a Mazda 6 now that I've almost got to 100,000 kms, and the only problem its had is dodgy batteries. I'd happily go for another Mazda.
I had a Honda Integra in between those cars, and that thing ran like a dream. I wouldn't get another one, though, as every time something went wrong the replacement parts were ridiculously expensive.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
My Ford Probe was a Mazda, and it made it to 205,000 miles.
I'll gladly buy American, as long as its a good car. I won't buy crap out of a misguided sense of patriotism.
I will also gladly buy "foreign" cars build in the US instead of "US" cars build in another country.
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d-usa wrote: My Ford Probe was a Mazda, and it made it to 205,000 miles.
I'll gladly buy American, as long as its a good car. I won't buy crap out of a misguided sense of patriotism.
I will also gladly buy "foreign" cars build in the US instead of "US" cars build in another country.
Whoa... you must have been one of the lucky ones. I've had two friends whose Probe broken down all them time... but, then again... they were driven by chicks.
Most "foreign" cars sold in US are built here anyways... so the whole buy US Cars (GM, Ford, etc) is patriotic is laughable.
-f
Hence I said, "wait 6 months". 
