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**Desubot**

I just noticed something and don't recall anyone else bring it up.

Wasn't the SOB Medic model on that list of things you might wanna buy when this was on pre sale?

i just noticed i cant find anything to do with it in the book.

**Purifier**

Desubot wrote:
I just noticed something and don't recall anyone else bring it up.

Wasn't the SOB Medic model on that list of things you might wanna buy when this was on pre sale?

i just noticed i cant find anything to do with it in the book.

The hospitaller. It was, I remember being both intrigued and a little revolted.
It's the SOB Apothecary. I haven't read codex inq, but if it's a direct rip of the inquisitor part of the GK book, it's not gonna have an apothecary as GK apothecaries only hang out with Paladin.

**doc1234**

Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

**ClockworkZion**

doc1234 wrote:
Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

Maybe less of a Mystic and just an Acolyte of some kind.

**doc1234**

ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

Maybe less of a Mystic and just an Acolyte of some kind.

If it's the model i'm thinking of its only "armed" with a narthecarium saw isn't it? Last I checked wysywig was being pushed rather hard by gw, at least as far as weapons go?

**ClockworkZion**

doc1234 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

Maybe less of a Mystic and just an Acolyte of some kind.

If it's the model i'm thinking of its only "armed" with a narthecarium saw isn't it? Last I checked wysywig was being pushed rather hard by gw, at least as far as weapons go?

Normally she has a Bolt Pistol too. Maybe BP&CCW?

**doc1234**

ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

Maybe less of a Mystic and just an Acolyte of some kind.

If it's the model i'm thinking of its only "armed" with a narthecarium saw isn't it? Last I checked wysywig was being pushed rather hard by gw, at least as far as weapons go?

Normally she has a Bolt Pistol too. Maybe BP&CCW?

It's a thought at least, though I don't think acolyts can use bolt pistols, I now kind of want to see an apothecary duel wielding narthecariums with oversized saws. "THE DOCTOR IS IN!"

**ClockworkZion**

doc1234 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

Maybe less of a Mystic and just an Acolyte of some kind.

If it's the model i'm thinking of its only "armed" with a narthecarium saw isn't it? Last I checked wysywig was being pushed rather hard by gw, at least as far as weapons go?

Normally she has a Bolt Pistol too. Maybe BP&CCW?

It's a thought at least, though I don't think acolyts can use bolt pistols, I now kind of want to see an apothecary duel wielding narthecariums with oversized saws. "THE DOCTOR IS IN!"

You may be right, it might have to get treated as a Laspistol if that's the case.

And I think the mental image you have would be more fitting for a Ork Mad Dok. Too bad they can wear Mega Armour while they're at it...

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On a different note: I just got confirmation back from FW, they are updating the Inquisition/GK stuff in IA2 (as well as the Repressor) so when that drops we may see new options for this mini-dex!

**doc1234**

ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
Considering the lack of many up to date models for it they likely thought of it as "just use it as a mystic!" or something?

Maybe less of a Mystic and just an Acolyte of some kind.

If it's the model i'm thinking of its only "armed" with a narthecarium saw isn't it? Last I checked wysywig was being pushed rather hard by gw, at least as far as weapons go?

Normally she has a Bolt Pistol too. Maybe BP&CCW?

It's a thought at least, though I don't think acolyts can use bolt pistols, I now kind of want to see an apothecary duel wielding narthecariums with oversized saws. "THE DOCTOR IS IN!"

You may be right, it might have to get treated as a Laspistol if that's the case.

And I think the mental image you have would be more fitting for a Ork Mad Dok. Too bad they can wear Mega Armour while they're at it...

Ah but we expect it to be an ork mad dok to do this, where as on the other hand...

Spoiler:

Don't know if i'm ashamed I made the joke or that no one else has yet.

**Jancoran**

This supplement seems like a very badly thought out idea.

Not liking the trend here. Allies are already a mistake and now this? geez...

**pretre**

Since when are allies a mistake?

**Naw**

Game balance?

**pretre**

Naw wrote:
Game balance?

Like 40k has ever been balance. Good try though.

**ductvader**

ClockworkZion wrote:
doc1234 wrote:
What's tickling me is people saying without the inq forces GK aren't just silver marines. Like BA aren't just red marines...oh wait...

Show me another Marine chapter filled with Psykers and Force Weapons and I'd agree. Yes they're Marines, but they're Marines purpose built to fight Daemons specifically. Because of this their wargear, options and generally everything is designed to do just that. So they aren't just Marines. They're purpose built for one specific task unlike most Marines.

Try charging a Daemon Prince with 10 PAGK...then try doing it with 10 Tactical Marines.

Anyone will see the difference.

**Naw**

I guess going far enough to the opposite even outs the playing field. Soon we can handpick the best units from each codex because it makes a lot of sense.

The casual player in me likes it as it offers me a possibility to try infinite number of combinations and I hate to field the same army twice.

Unfortunately a large number of gamers like winning more than experimenting.

**ClockworkZion**

Jancoran wrote:
This supplement seems like a very badly thought out idea.

Not liking the trend here. Allies are already a mistake and now this? geez...

It's not a "Supplement", it's a "Codex".

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Naw wrote:
I guess going far enough to the opposite even outs the playing field. Soon we can handpick the best units from each codex because it makes a lot of sense.

The casual player in me likes it as it offers me a possibility to try infinite number of combinations and I hate to field the same army twice.

Unfortunately a large number of gamers like winning more than experimenting.

The game started with Marines who could wield Shuriken Rifles and Eldar who could have Bolters. Maybe that's the plan for 7th ed?

**Crimson**

I'll repost my rant from the rumour thread:

Why this book is lazy and bad

I am not complaining about the lack of Imperial Assassins, nor the lack of units in general; we have inquisitors and their warbands, and that's fine -- or at least it would be if they would've done them properly.

The Inquisitors are a straight copy-paste from the GK book. There is absolutely zero thought put into them, apart from the three relics there are no new options, not even point adjustments. Now that all other codices have armouries and random psychic powers, the Inquisitors are stuck in 5th edition format (now, you could argue that fixed powers is a good thing, but it still shows that they didn't bother to change them to work like the real 6e codices.) We still have three identical inquisitor profiles with mostly identical options. It would have been much easier to have an armoury with some items marked only available for specific Ordos. And it would have been awfully nice if the Inquisitors could have finally taken invulnerable saves. There cannot be any logical reason, either fluff- or balance-wise, for them to not have them, it is just that Ward originally forgot to give them access to such, and whoever copy-pasted this didn't stop to read what he was actually copy-pasting, or think whether any adjustments were needed.

The same problem is repeated in the henchen rules: the same ridiculously expensive armour and weapon options have been copied from the GK book with no thought given to them and with no new options added. (Power armour 10 points, really!) And if the intent was to allow people to make crazy and fluffy warbands, point costs be damned, then at least give Acolytes more options, bolt pistols, autoguns, shotguns, etc. But no,again that would have required something other than a straight copy-paste.

There is also a continuity problem with C:AS, as some things in C:I work differently than in it. Condemnor Boltguns, Crusaders and Death Cult Assassins all work slightly differently in these two books. And again, I don't believe this is any carefully considered revision, merely a product of copy-pasting stuff from the GK book without realising it was changed in newer C:AS.

Oh, and Inquisitor Valeria is not in this book, so the only way to use this famous agent of Ordo Xenos is to field her alongside the Grey Knights of Ordo Malleus. This is also sad because she was one of the few female special characters in the entire 40K. And she was also an Inquisitor with an invulnerable save! Can't have that!

While previous supplements and digital additions to the game may not have been perfect, there has at least been some thought put into them. This book exemplifies every bad thing said about GW supplements, it is an uninspired copy-paste for a quick money-grab.

**ClockworkZion**

Since we're reposting, let me repost my back and forth with GW: DE that explained a few things. And by their own words it wasn't done as a lazy cash grab, but rather because of the shared content as evidenced by their response below:

So with all the back and forth over the new codex over the weekend I wrote a comment to GW Digital Editions on Facebook regarding the Inquisition codex to basically test my theory on why things were so "the same" between the books:

Just a little design question about Codex: Inquisition that's popped up and I was thinking you guys might be able to shed some light one: is the reason that the Inquisitorial stuff mostly stayed the same because it's in Codec: Grey Knights?
Also, when Codex: Grey Knights gets an eventual update, does this mean that the Inquisition book will see an update on anything that's shared between the books?

And they were kind enough to respond:

Games Workshop: Digital Editions Hi [Zion],
We try not to have wildly different rules for the same units in different places. The inquisitors in Grey Knights are still inquisitors, and your opponent should be able to know at a glance what they're up against when you put your models down on the table. (that's why things like Rhinos, chimeras and Tactical Marines have very similar rules wherever you find them). Of course, one of the advantages of the digital format, is that you can change things much more easily, and you may well see changes to some digital codexes over time to match new print releases or new miniatures. (for example, the last edition of Codex: Space Marines had Storm Talons added when that model was released).
I hope that helps.
- Eddie

So what does this give us exactly? Well first, we no know the reason for the lack of changes is because the rules for the models already exists in the Grey Knights codex and they didn't want to cause problems by changing things in one book when they're in another.

We also got an interesting tidbit that may be considered rumor worthy there regarding the codex stuff: there may in fact be updates to the codex when the stuff they share with other codexes changes. So I think we can go ahead and put the "they'll just charge you for a new version when it's updated" gripe to rest now.

**Crimson**

ClockworkZion wrote:

So what does this give us exactly? Well first, we no know the reason for the lack of changes is because the rules for the models already exists in the Grey Knights codex and they didn't want to cause problems by changing things in one book when they're in another.

That is reason for not changing how things work, but they still added new options like the relics. They could have easily added some other options too, like access to force fields and orbital bombardment for regular inquisitors.

**ClockworkZion**

Crimson wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

So what does this give us exactly? Well first, we no know the reason for the lack of changes is because the rules for the models already exists in the Grey Knights codex and they didn't want to cause problems by changing things in one book when they're in another.

That is reason for not changing how things work, but they still added new options like the relics. They could have easily added some other options too, like access to force fields and orbital bombardment for regular inquisitors.

Which may have been seen as a large change from how Inquisitors in C:GK work.

We still don't know what level of oversight or approval was involved on this and how much freedom the writers on this book really had. We don't even know if this is a codex by the design studio.

**Crimson**

ClockworkZion wrote:

We still don't know what level of oversight or approval was involved on this and how much freedom the writers on this book really had. We don't even know if this is a codex by the design studio.

Ultimately it doesn't matter whose fault it is that the codex is a dud and what (if any) is the reasoning for it -- it still is a dud.

**ClockworkZion**

Crimson wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:

We still don't know what level of oversight or approval was involved on this and how much freedom the writers on this book really had. We don't even know if this is a codex by the design studio.

Ultimately it doesn't matter whose fault it is that the codex is a dud and what (if any) is the reasoning for it -- it still is a dud.

I don't think you caught what I was trying to say. I'm saying is that the author(s) of this book likely had their hands tied pretty heavilly. Especially if they weren't the Big Names we associate with the Design Studio.

Who knows how many changes didn't make it because of that.

As for it being a "dud", that pretty much only comes down to what you play. For Sisters, and IG it's the best thing to be added into their options, for Marines, not so much, for Eldar, it's eh, and for everyone else it's bad to useless.

**Crimson**

ClockworkZion wrote:

I don't think you caught what I was trying to say. I'm saying is that the author(s) of this book likely had their hands tied pretty heavilly. Especially if they weren't the Big Names we associate with the Design Studio.

Who knows how many changes didn't make it because of that.

Yes, I understood what you said, I just really don't care. To me, as a consumer, it does not matter whether the decisions were made by Ward, a nameless DE guy or even Tom Kirby himself. To me it matters that I did not get the product I wanted.

As for it being a "dud", that pretty much only comes down to what you play. For Sisters, and IG it's the best thing to be added into their options, for Marines, not so much, for Eldar, it's eh, and for everyone else it's bad to useless.

There certainly is effective things one can do with this book, I'm not denying that. It still doesn't change fact that it is uninspired copy paste and cannot create fluff accurate inquisitors or their retinues.

**ClockworkZion**

Crimson wrote:
Yes, I understood what you said, I just really don't care. To me, as a consumer, it does not matter whether the decisions were made by, Ward, nameless DE guy or even Tom Kirby himself. To me it matters that I did not get the product I wanted.

Difference in opinion then. I prefer to try and be as reasonable as possible because having worked a few thankless jobs where you can only do the best you can and no better thanks to forces outside your control I don't like throwing everyone under the bus just because it's not up to some expectation I had (that may or may not have been artificially inflated due to hype, be it company or self-generated).

Crimson wrote:
There certainly is effective things one can do with this book, I'm not denying that. It still doesn't change fact that it is uninspired copy paste and cannot create fluff accurate inquisitors or their retinues.

I disagree. I feel that we can do a lot that's fluffy and the only part it truly fails is recreating 100% every single named Inquisitor whose fluff was named in the codex. But that was an issue C:GK had too so I'm not too torn up about that considering the circumstances.

**StarTrotter**

My biggest problem has certainly got to be that they removed Valeria. Seriously? I know it is all WYSIWYG and they are all can't have models that don't exist but.... come on! You can hardly find such models at the local shops and the older models are so vastly outdated that you have to go out of your way to represent many things. I'll admit, I was hoping for a bit more. Increased wounds, capable of making ML2 possibly ML3, perhaps some rules to have more choices for radicals that made it so any allies with GK in them are desperate allies, maybe a few extra weapon options for puritans (not as many as radicals of course), rules for I ST, maybe deathwatch, and to actually have the assassins in the codex.

Was it a bit disappointing in my own personal opinion? Yes, it almost feels like since it will be in GK until the GK are updated that they were forced to hold back and, to be blunt, it would have been nice to see a bit more point redistribution considering much of it is from 5th edition. That being said, I am content with it. It might not be perfect, but it brings enough to the table for me to feel it was worth the cost.

**Watchersinthedark**

After seeing the write ups and stuff, who would actually worry about precision hits?

Yeah they can hurt but it takes a character OR something with sniper and considering only Tau have ridiculous snipers it's not that big a deal. especially when most folks over look the sniper drones in favor of broadsides and hammerdeads,

Really this codex just adds some flavor to the game and make the just for fun stuff a bit more fun. Hell think of all the new scenarios you could build from this....