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I'm just saying it isn't unusual to not have a ruler. Reaper does that a bit. It would be nice if more companies did it, I agree. Maybe folks don't like to sully a pretty picture with a ruler. Though you could have an assembled/painted pic and also an unpainted pic with a ruler.

KS2 is my first exposure to RBG figures. I recently got about 40 of them and they're great, but I was a little blown away at the size of the elf characters in particular. I wasn't expecting them (females) to ever be nearly that small. They're still great sculpts and I would still buy them. But small elves in particular goes against the grain for me, who spent most of his late childhood reading Tolkien, Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance books, where elves were the same height or taller than humans.

The addition of a ruler or some kind of visual comparison in the images might help for people like me.

weeble1000 wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Here you go:

http://azazelx.wordpress.com/?s=red+box+games

And you can see that Tre's miniatures are actually taller on average than the LOTR miniatures. If Tre's models were all standing up straight, they would be at least half a head taller. LOTR isn't just more realistically proportioned, it is also a slightly smaller scale, being ~25mm versus ~28mm trending towards 30mm.

Except that ...no you're wrong there. Some are taller, some are shorter. The LotR models aren't all standing up straight, either. The barbarian dude is taller than Boromir, but given that he's a barbarian dude, he's probably supposed to be taller. The dwarves are pretty much dead on (why do you think I bought so many?) The ladies are a bit taller - but then Arwen is a shorter LotR model, and also people aren't all the same height, and of the two elves next to Legolas, one is the same height with the same kind of stance, and the other is bowed down. Sverrelf is in the same kind of situation with the GW Uruks.

In fact the only figure in the whole lot there that fits the "head taller" description you're trying to give there is the barbarian when compared to Boromir... and the halfling is a ton shorter then Frodo...




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 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Anyone with any aspirations towards producing fine miniatures needs to discount the possibility of trying to scale anything next to Games Workshop's brigade of simian disco rejects.

 RiTides wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
Tre's models aren't smaller in scale than other 28mm models.

I disagree... this picture says it all for me, from Azazel's blog comparison:

Both ladies' eyeline seems to be the same distance from the base. It's just that one of them is a gigantic bulbous monstrosity that should never have left the 1990s.

You know that GW dwarven female is from the 1990's, don't you?


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 tre manor wrote:

Rest assured that EVERY Human male is built upon a 35 mm armature except for the Journeyman Gerard who is half elven. He is built on a 30mm armature. FEmale humans range from 30 to 32, Elves range from 28 to 30 between femal and male respectively. Dwarves all range from 22 to 26 female and male respectively. There is not variation in height amoungst RBG figures that is out of the norm with other RBG figures. I do not make proxy figures and do not at all intend that they be used as proxy figures.

If there is any misleading advertising it is in the use of the descriptive 28 mm Heroic scale.

Jesus, Tre. People here are trying to help you. Stop hurf blurfing and bitching about the scale that's been dominant for the last three decades and take the advice. People just want to know how big the models will be without playing the "guess the size Tre' scultps these in" game so they won't be put off from buying more models from you. Photograph them next to a ruler or a AA battery or sculpt your own "sir forscale" who is exactly 25 or 28 or 30mm tall and use it in photos. Better yet, sculpt a menhir with clear markings at 10, 15, 20, 25, 30mm and use that.

He didn't come off as bitchy at all to me ...

Though I'll chime in that I would LOVE it if Tre (and everyone) would adopt some sort of ruler/marker/standard system when displaying new product. I'm apparently very bad at judging that by eye because I am constantly surprised with how big/little things are when I get them.

 Da Boss wrote:
I agree with that point RiTides- the smaller round bases really do make it harder to tell the size of the miniatures.

These figures are around the same size as older Grenader, Reaper, Ral Partha figures. The smaller bases are par on with the figures, as is.


The figures do not scale to GW's ranges, at all. They are smaller in girth, stature, and proportions. They make up for it in detail, and are a completely different range.

The fact that we are seeing them scaled up with Hobbit figures is enough. They are 28mm. some may be 29 for laughs, but GW's is to the scale of almost 35 now, based on scale creep over the past few years, if you set up one of tre's figures next to a FW one, they would be a better fit.


I'm not trying to pee in the punch bowl, but its a fact. The figures are great detailed, but not the same size as GW's. You could put them on the GW bases, if you want to, but they are better for use with other games, RPG characters, skirmish and the like.

Funded! Well done Tre!

greywulf wrote:
KS2 is my first exposure to RBG figures. I recently got about 40 of them and they're great, but I was a little blown away at the size of the elf characters in particular. I wasn't expecting them (females) to ever be nearly that small. They're still great sculpts and I would still buy them. But small elves in particular goes against the grain for me, who spent most of his late childhood reading Tolkien, Forgotten Realms, and Dragonlance books, where elves were the same height or taller than humans.

The addition of a ruler or some kind of visual comparison in the images might help for people like me.

That is actually one of the reasons I like RBG figures. The elves in all the D&D worlds barring Dark Sun are significantly shorter than humans. The overall range in sizes is more like you would find if sculpted to a scale as well, so men tend to be taller than women. Humans taller than elves which are taller than dwarves. If you crack open most American based RPG books, the ratios arent too far off what you might get if you applied a scale conversion to the random height tables for the different races.

Granted, as a long time advocate for scale miniatures, that could also help settle the issue. If you make 1/48 scale figures and give a description (6 foot tall), anyone can work out that the figure will be 1 1/2" tall.

It would be really cool if Tre would have at least a "Usual Suspects" style lineup with all his races in a row, on his webstore.
Like the drawing in the D&D3.5 Player's Handbook has.
Use that as a backdrop for his webstore item pictures, with the metal mini he is selling in the foreground.

He makes really good stuff. But needs to give the random visitor an indicator of how they are sized.
He can justify his minis height on Dakka all day long, and he may know his reasoning for sizes.

But the average visitor is just going to flip thru his webstore and assume they are looking at "28mm"-GW sized minis.
Just as my Batman Knight Models minis may say they are 32mm, but I still didn't expect they would be taller than GW/PP/Infinity models.

Send me free minis and I will take photos of them (with scale comparisons!) and paint them for free and send you high resolution images of said paintjobs in multiple angles. (totally serious about this, btw)

I really love your work and it would be a shame if you go the heroic proportion route. Unfortunately I vowed that i should finish painting all my stuff first before I buy new ones, so it might take me a year or so to get miniatures from your range.

I agree with people wanting photo scale comparisons of your work. Dark Sword does exactly this to show how big/small the miniatures are in comparison to the miniatures on the same range:




Add a ruler (or penny) on the side and you don't have to tell people that humans are taller than your elf sculpts: they get it right away. A picture is worth a thousand words, after all.

Also, larger images would certainly help! i'm sure everyone would be more excited if they can see the details better.

 heartserenade wrote:

Add a ruler (or penny) on the side and you don't have to tell people that humans are taller than your elf sculpts: they get it right away. A picture is worth a thousand words, after all.

I'd prefer a ruler, not everyone has access to the same pennies, after all. We're not yet all living in Amerika.

A pence, then

But you are right. We "Amerikans" would even prefer it in millimeters so everyone can easily read it, and compare to the standard size tiers.

Damn, if I'd known about this kickstarter earlier I would have been in on it, I love the look of the models.

Hey Guys!

Thanks to everyone for their continued support of the RBG line. I am goign to focus on some solid web development during the fulfillment of the KS3. I agree that I do obviously need to do a better job of explaining my figures and the design intentions there of. As always I appreciate all feedback and suggestions and will take them all to heart.

 heartserenade wrote:
Send me free minis and I will take photos of them (with scale comparisons!) and paint them for free and send you high resolution images of said paintjobs in multiple angles. (totally serious about this, btw)
...

Add a ruler (or penny) on the side and you don't have to tell people that humans are taller than your elf sculpts: they get it right away. A picture is worth a thousand words, after all.

Also, larger images would certainly help! i'm sure everyone would be more excited if they can see the details better.

Those pages from my blog with the RBG height comparisons that I linked are consistently amongst the most popular pages on my blog in terms of hits, despite those posts being almost 2 and 3 years old. I guess I could do another one and get more hits, but the point is really that people want to know this information, and Tre' really should be providing this info on his shop page rather than people having to visit pages like my pissy little blog to try and find out. Like I say, I don't mind the hits, but it's a bit like Mantic having the contents of the DeadZone baggies on a KS update page and how to unwarp restic on a YouTube link from their Facebook group or whatever. Get the info out there, and make it easy to find!

Ah well, maybe I should just do another one this weekend.


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 tre manor wrote:
Hey Guys!

Thanks to everyone for their continued support of the RBG line. I am goign to focus on some solid web development during the fulfillment of the KS3. I agree that I do obviously need to do a better job of explaining my figures and the design intentions there of. As always I appreciate all feedback and suggestions and will take them all to heart.

Tre' I don't think people really care about the design limitations or how big the armature is. They just want to know how big (or small) the figures are!

I figure this is the best place to post this since Tre doesn't have a regular N&R thread, there are only a few days left to purchase the Goblin Captain model that Tre donated to GoblinAid to help raise money for the sculptor Kev Adams. (The model was originally in the 2nd RBG Kickstarter which was cancelled.)
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/ga26-tre-manors-goblin-p-2920.html

The Ral Partha Website mentions that many of the GoblinAid models won't for sale again after the 31st of January, so unless Tre is planning to obtain the mould/master then this could very well be the last time this model is going to be available.


(Painted pic from OrlandotheTechnicoloured's GoblinAid thread.)

Yep, I snapped up that miniature of Tre's as soon as I could

I'd say everybody should buy one

It's a great sculpt!