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Nothing false about it.

Guardsmen die, Marines fall and go traitor, its a lot worse than losing troops for the IOM.

It is.

You are somehow saying that SM are easier to corrupt.

They are not.

They are more often corrupted, but that does not mean that it is easy to corrupt them, since a disproportionate effort is dedicated to said corruption.

It is far easier to kill Guardsmen though, so most enemies of Man prefer to do just that.

The process is easier if you're facing Marines because they don't die during said process, unlike guardsmen.

See?

...That is true, but that is not what people like Oxayotl are arguing.

Corruption works in different ways. Guardsmen are exactly as vulnerable to stuff like instacorrupting blood as anyone else, except the literally incorruptible ones like GK and SoB, who either have psychic wards or space magic/faith (Depending on interpretation) to protect them. Meanwhile, something like tons of tentacles starting to emerge from your body and fething your mind might be something a Marine could survive while a Guardsman, well, couldn't.

But if we look at something like Wolf of Fenris, I do not doubt that if the Corsairs had bothered with non-Astartes crew, they would have done the same as the SW on that ship did.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Why do you think I suggest that Marines are less corruptible than you think when I am a CSM player?

Because that makes them more exceptional.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
while your beloved SoB are oh-so-incorruptible.

I never denied some of them could be corrupted, I just noted how it was way less likely than a guardsman being corrupted, which in turn is less likely than a marine being corrupted, which in turn is less likely than a normal citizen being corrupted, which in turn is less likely than a mutant/pariah being corrupted.
If you have read Sisters fluff, it is an evidence.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
You have no idea at all of what my favourite source is, since I have not told you.

Yeah, but you still did quote Miriael Sabathiel aboug half a hundred times. The only source on Miriael Sabathiel except for one card with AFAIK no fluff at all on it states that marines fall so much more often that Sisters.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Guard are not nearly as targeted by corruption and temptation attempts because they are weaker and tend to die much faster than their Marine friends.

Yep, I am sure Guards are less exposed to the temptations of Chaos because the Chaos god are too busy whispering promises to space marines and… lowlife mutants living in slums. Oh, wait, that does not make any sense, why would the Chaos god try to corrupt mutants, civilians and space marines, but not guards ? And that is not even mentioning how a high-ranked guard officer commands forces way way bigger than a chapter.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
If a Noise Marine can choose between playing brainfething dubstep for five minutes for a Guardsman or ten minutes for a Marine, and either situation will result in the, you guessed it, brainfething of the unfortunate victim, then of course the latter is targeted.'

I am not sure the normal way to get corrupted is by hearing dubstep. I think it is more about desperation and a call for deliverance from pain (Nurgle), ambition, lust for power and the will to change things, looking for shortcut to power (the dark side of the force. Errr, I mean Tzeentch.), pride, a quest for perfecting oneself or one's craft, debauchery, seeking pleasure or thrill (slaanesh), and rage, bloodlust, wish for vengeance and martial prowess (Khorne). You know, all of this is feeling and thoughts, not physical pressure. Being physically drawn to Chaos is the rare exception rather than the norm.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Guardsmen tend to just die before the corruption even can take root

Uh ? They tend to die rather than accept to turn their cloak. It has nothing to do with physiology. Just saying “I work for Chaos now” is not going to kill anyone.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
whereas Marines have a higher Sudden Tentacle Survival Ratio™.

We are not talking about the ability to survive mutation, we are talking about the tendency to switch sides. Marines have a high tendency to switch side with the worse enemy of the Imperium. Guards, not as much.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
To assume that Marines would somehow gain increased corruption sensibility due to high training, implants, long lives, psycho-conditioning and careful selection is an illogical argument.

That is obviously not the reasons they have a much greater turn-cloak tendency. If I had to make a guess, I would say it must rather be the nature of the chapter's culture, what they value, what they believe in that makes them so easily turned away from the good path.

 Bobthehero wrote:
The process is easier if you're facing Marines because they don't die during said process, unlike guardsmen.

The explanation is right here, on this Wikipedia article on another Imperial Guard : La Garde meurt mais ne se rend pas!

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Guardsmen are exactly as vulnerable to stuff like instacorrupting blood as anyone else, except the literally incorruptible ones like GK and SoB, who either have psychic wards or space magic/faith (Depending on interpretation) to protect them.

What the freaking hell is that ?

Eventually the entire chapter was exposed and they renamed themselves the Blood Disciples.[…] Because of the warband's history as a designated assault company, The Blood Disciples are noted for having a large number of Chaos Raptors.

That does not make sense. If the whole chapter was renamed Blood Disciples, there is no history of them being a designated assault company . I guess not the whole chapter was exposed, just a company. Even then, this story is about one hundred marines that decided to go by themselves in the Eye of Terror, on a daemon world, to kill a guy that was not even planing to attack the imperium, and then bath in his blood (because seriously, even if you kill him in a gruesome manner, as long as you wear a helmet, which is a pretty good idea when on a freaking daemon world dedicated to Khorne, you will not get any blood on yourself, just on your armor), those marines did not exactly seems like balanced individuals at any rate. They really called that on themselves.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Meanwhile, something like tons of tentacles starting to emerge from your body and fething your mind might be something a Marine could survive while a Guardsman, well, couldn't.

That is so totally not what happened in the Wolf of Fenris, or to the original legions, or to the Crimson Slaughter, or…

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
But if we look at something like Wolf of Fenris, I do not doubt that if the Corsairs had bothered with non-Astartes crew, they would have done the same as the SW on that ship did.

It depends on who was on board. Sisters would have fight till the last woman. Many, but obviously not all, Imperial Guard regiment would have done the same. Cadians, Kriegsmen, Vostroyans, and so on, would not have surrendered. La Garde meurt mais ne se rend pas!

To be honest, one of the reasons why we don't hear about corrupted guardsmen as much could simply be because they don't have a codex. Look at all the knight fluff GW is cranking out nowadays...

(that said, I'd personally prefer a Renegades codex to focus more on natural-born chaos followers, myself)

inquisition despises the Astartes that they cant control. Inquisitors fall to chaos all the time&play with chaos thinking they can bend it to their will or use tanted objects to further their aims. Oh your chapter drinks blood then your renegades or you keep skulls then must be renegades. If the Emperor was not on the throne he would smack the hell out of the uppity inquisition. Astartes fall to chaos less then mere mortals.

sophiteem wrote:
If the Emperor was not on the throne he would smack the hell out of the uppity inquisition.

Yes of course. Because the Emperor knows Astartes never-ever fall to chaos.
Actually, if He ever get out of the Throne, He is more likely to abolish the marines now that He have seen what they truly are !

sophiteem wrote:
Astartes fall to chaos less then mere mortals.

Yeah, after all, only half of them. Of course, that is a very kind statement, given that more likely than not, 12 of the 20 legions did fall.

That was silly, Sophiteem.

Forming the Inquisition was actually the last direct act he undertook.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Forming the Inquisition was actually the last direct act he undertook.

So were the Grey Knights

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, after all, only half of them. Of course, that is a very kind statement, given that more likely than not, 12 of the 20 legions did fall.

That was silly, Sophiteem.

For the betrayal at Ishtvaan where they purged their loyalists from their ranks, the Luna Wolves Emperor's Children, Death Guard, and even the World Eaters of all legions had to purge around one third of their forces, if I recall correctly.

So that's like, one third of one half of the chaos legions that actually did NOT fall. Many Word Bearers had to be purged too, although we don't know how many since it was done more subtlely. We also don't know if there were any loyalist Night Lords, but we do know there was at the very least a small amount of loyalist Iron Warriors and Loyalist Thousand Sons, both of whom are still active in the story.

So it was actually a lot less than half the legions that fell to Chaos (not including the two purged ones). Admittingly I'm not sure how many Dark Angels fell to Chaos either. Ah well. Still a lot less than half the total amount of marines. (it's also important to note that around half the Titan legions and Imperial Army went to Chaos for the Horus Heresy, too, so it wasn't just marines. If anything, if it really was half of those, MORE "mere mortals" fell to Chaos than Marines did during the Heresy, considering the purging of loyalists that went on in the traitor legions). The main reason the traitors were such a threat was because they had the element of surprise, not numbers (well, and they had daemon allies too). Once their element of surprise and initiative (and daemons) were lost at the battle of Terra (with the Ultramarines and Space Wolves about to arrive), all the traitors could do was retreat to the Eye of Terror.

^ Very true.

sophiteem wrote:
inquisition despises the Astartes that they cant control. Inquisitors fall to chaos all the time&play with chaos thinking they can bend it to their will or use tanted objects to further their aims. Oh your chapter drinks blood then your renegades or you keep skulls then must be renegades. If the Emperor was not on the throne he would smack the hell out of the uppity inquisition. Astartes fall to chaos less then mere mortals.

You know it was the Emperor, Himself who gave the Inquisition its power, right? Either directly out of his own mouth, or through Malcador the Sigilite, who spoke with the Emperor's authority.

Mind you, that the Emperor created it does not gaurantee that the current Inquisition is how he would have wanted it.

It's pretty much operating in the way that he defined it. Beholden to no one, authorized to do anything, all in the name of purity of purpose.

No, but as he is aware of what goes on in his empire(to an extent) and the fact that he can talk with his subjects if he wishes means that he doesn't disapprove of what the current situation is given the circumstances.

Its not ideal, but given the circumstances nothing else could be done so there would be no need to change things.

Keep in mind that the current situation of the Imperium is the absolutely best things could possibly be, given the circumstances. The parts of the Imperium that are crapholes are not crapholes for the lulz, or because all it would take is one reasonable person to come along and fix things, it is because the crapholes they are is the results of the best and only choice that could be made in all of the decisions to lead up to this point.

Everything that has been done in the Imperium since the Emperor ascended to the Golden Throne has been done with the goal of keeping the Imperium intact and Mankind a species that exists. Every choice made, every action taken, has been to ensure the survival of the species, and every choice and every action taken has been the best possible choice out of all the terrible, gakky choices presented at those moments.

TiamatRoar wrote:
So it was actually a lot less than half the legions that fell to Chaos (not including the two purged ones).

Much more than half if you include them, and those from loyalist legions who betrayed individually.

TiamatRoar wrote:
it's also important to note that around half the Titan legions and Imperial Army went to Chaos for the Horus Heresy, too, so it wasn't just marines.

No, it was subordinate to those corrupted marines given the choice between dying and treason, and we have no idea how many of them were purged because they are pretty much always treated as negligible portion by GW.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
So it was actually a lot less than half the legions that fell to Chaos (not including the two purged ones).

Much more than half if you include them, and those from loyalist legions who betrayed individually.

The lost Legions have obviously not turned to chaos.
As said before 30% of the traitor Legions kept their oath to the Emperor. Why should the loyalist Legions have more than 30% turning against the Emperor and their Primarch ?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
it's also important to note that around half the Titan legions and Imperial Army went to Chaos for the Horus Heresy, too, so it wasn't just marines.

No, it was subordinate to those corrupted marines given the choice between dying and treason, and we have no idea how many of them were purged because they are pretty much always treated as negligible portion by GW.

Horus was Warmaster of 100% of the forces of the Imperium.
Half of the forces opted for the Warmaster ( or in many cases , their own benefit first and the IoM second...).
No need for traitor marines to give them ideas.



I am pretty sure I have seen numbers given by GW how many Marine chapters turned traitor and how many were lost in transit somwhere....
( 3rd ed onwards ). Sadly can't find it ATM.
But it was a very small portion of the AA lost to chaos, far more lost in transit.

This could have changed, transportation still dangerous but GW moved from traitor legions as focus to renegades and warbands and to have them
around they need marines to turn...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

TiamatRoar wrote:
So it was actually a lot less than half the legions that fell to Chaos (not including the two purged ones).

Much more than half if you include them, and those from loyalist legions who betrayed individually.
No, it was subordinate to those corrupted marines given the choice between dying and treason, and we have no idea how many of them were purged because they are pretty much always treated as negligible portion by GW.

Hardly anyone from the loyalist legions turned traitor.

 Psienesis wrote:

sophiteem wrote:
inquisition despises the Astartes that they cant control. Inquisitors fall to chaos all the time&play with chaos thinking they can bend it to their will or use tanted objects to further their aims. Oh your chapter drinks blood then your renegades or you keep skulls then must be renegades. If the Emperor was not on the throne he would smack the hell out of the uppity inquisition. Astartes fall to chaos less then mere mortals.

You know it was the Emperor, Himself who gave the Inquisition its power, right? Either directly out of his own mouth, or through Malcador the Sigilite, who spoke with the Emperor's authority.

The Emperor pushed the Imperial truth which is the anti-thesis of the inquisition. main reason he punished the word bearers. chaplains are derived from them. Yes the traitor legions had to purge their ranks and even then they were not fully successful in doing so.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Forming the Inquisition was actually the last direct act he undertook.

According to GW there is no proof the Emperor gave the order to create the Inquisition but there are two different stories on how it was created. it was the aclusiarcy and Inquisition that nearly created another civil war that could have destroyed the Imperium. its the inquisition that laid seige to Fenris, played a role on Ryyns world and the destruction of the fortress keep. They even tried to kill off a successor chapter of the Black Templars.

I'm under the impression that the vast majority of the loyalists never even got the choice to turn traitor. It was hard enough for the traitor legions to deal with their own loyalists within their ranks. They would have leaked the secret out in advance if they tried to sway anyone from the Loyalist legions in advance. Hell, many TRAITOR legion members never got the chaos memo either when the Heresy went down (Warsmith Dantioch, the Outcast Dead, and all the "good guys" from traitor legions in the Battle of the Abyss, for example). It's kinda hard for Traitor Legions to sway loyalist members when they aren't even finished handing out their chaos recruitment pamphlets to their own legion members.

Whether or not that means the loyalists would have turned if they had the choice is unknown, but it's factually true that almost none of the loyalist traitors turned to Chaos anyways (to my knowledge). You can't really use "loyalists who turned to Chaos" as a factor because there is nothing conclusive there (with the exception of the Fallen Dark Angels). Although from the BL I'm under the impression most would have refused anyways once the Heresy broke out.

(actually, come to think about it, Chaos did try to turn or trick some of them into Chaos but they rejected/prevented it. The Blood Angels at Signus for example. A good chunk of the White Scars were on the brink but I believe almost all of them ended up staying loyalist after the Khan talked some sense into them. ...well, the survivors of the initial scuffle, at least).


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

No, it was subordinate to those corrupted marines given the choice between dying and treason, and we have no idea how many of them were purged because they are pretty much always treated as negligible portion by GW.

Turning to Chaos because you were threatened with death still counts. Hell, that's one of Chaos' primary recruitment methods even in the 40th millenium .

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

sophiteem wrote:
If the Emperor was not on the throne he would smack the hell out of the uppity inquisition.

Yes of course. Because the Emperor knows Astartes never-ever fall to chaos.
Actually, if He ever get out of the Throne, He is more likely to abolish the marines now that He have seen what they truly are !

sophiteem wrote:
Astartes fall to chaos less then mere mortals.

Yeah, after all, only half of them. Of course, that is a very kind statement, given that more likely than not, 12 of the 20 legions did fall.

That was silly, Sophiteem.

The Astartes are his children so no they would not be disbanded. The Smurfs would get a spanking then the Inquisition would be treated like the word bearers for being fanatical boobs.


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

sophiteem wrote:
If the Emperor was not on the throne he would smack the hell out of the uppity inquisition.

Yes of course. Because the Emperor knows Astartes never-ever fall to chaos.
Actually, if He ever get out of the Throne, He is more likely to abolish the marines now that He have seen what they truly are !

sophiteem wrote:
Astartes fall to chaos less then mere mortals.

Yeah, after all, only half of them. Of course, that is a very kind statement, given that more likely than not, 12 of the 20 legions did fall.

That was silly, Sophiteem.

I wish people would give the current Imperium (including its Space Marines and Space Marine system) more credit. They always think "Oh, the Primarchs/Emperor would tear it apart if they were around because of how bad it is!" but ithe current Imperium actually has a better track record than the Emperor did. After all, the current Imperium's never had half their astartes chapters (chapters, after purging the loyalist ranks within) and army and titans turn against them and to Chaos, and this is in spite of how Chaos is more powerful now than it was, before.

Also, the Inquisition wouldn't be so powerful if it wasn't working. Inquisitors ONLY have their position as Inquisitors to rely upon when it comes to their authority. If an Inquisitor is viewed as not doing his job well, then unlike "divine right" monarchy systems, they can't really say they're untouchable if they screw something up just because they have the Emperor backing them up (unless they have really really good connections with the Ecclesiarchy, which most inquisitors seem quite detached from). "By the authority of the God Emperor" doesn't exempt them from failing the God-Emperor. In addition, they don't have huge private armies backing them up, most of them dont' have unlimited amounts of wealth, they aren't intricately tied to the system like the Head of the Administratum so they can threaten lay-offs or bribe with promotions nor are they necessary for keeping the Imperium running like the Mechanicus, Navis Noblite, or Adeptus Telepathica.

The Inquisition's authority comes entirely from the fact that without that authority, they wouldn't be able to do a very very necessary job. Thus, if the Inquisition either weren't doing a necessary job or they were doing it incompetently, they'd be toast.

Because they aren't toast, it can' only be assumed that their job is necessary and generally being done competently. All Fluff i've seen regarding the Inquisition has always stated that they are a necessary evil at worse and I've never seen any fluff piece that explicitly stated they weren't necessary or that the Inquisition as a whole was an unnecessary detriment to the Imperium.

TiamatRoar wrote:
I'm under the impression that the vast majority of the loyalists never even got the choice to turn traitor. It was hard enough for the traitor legions to deal with their own loyalists within their ranks. They would have leaked the secret out in advance if they tried to sway anyone from the Loyalist legions in advance. Hell, many TRAITOR legion members never got the chaos memo either when the Heresy went down (Warsmith Dantioch, the Outcast Dead, and all the "good guys" from traitor legions in the Battle of the Abyss, for example). It's kinda hard for Traitor Legions to sway loyalist members when they aren't even finished handing out their chaos recruitment pamphlets to their own legion members.

Whether or not that means the loyalists would have turned if they had the choice is unknown, but it's factually true that almost none of the loyalist traitors turned to Chaos anyways (to my knowledge). You can't really use "loyalists who turned to Chaos" as a factor because there is nothing conclusive there (with the exception of the Fallen Dark Angels). Although from the BL I'm under the impression most would have refused anyways once the Heresy broke out.

(actually, come to think about it, Chaos did try to turn or trick some of them into Chaos but they rejected/prevented it. The Blood Angels at Signus for example. A good chunk of the White Scars were on the brink but I believe almost all of them ended up staying loyalist after the Khan talked some sense into them. ...well, the survivors of the initial scuffle, at least).


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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

No, it was subordinate to those corrupted marines given the choice between dying and treason, and we have no idea how many of them were purged because they are pretty much always treated as negligible portion by GW.

Turning to Chaos because you were threatened with death still counts. Hell, that's one of Chaos' primary recruitment methods even in the 40th millenium .

Even then with the Dark Angels we dont truly know what happened. Then we have the Blood Raven chapter that we dont know who founded them and they allmost became a traitor chapter due to their chapter master wanting to become a demon prince. Most of the blood ravens did not know what was going on. Ie the Diomedes their second in command.

TiamatRoar wrote:
They always think "Oh, the Primarchs/Emperor would tear it apart if they were around because of how bad it is!"

I see this a lot too. But nah, I really doubt that'd happen. Trying to violently reform the Imperium at the moment would be a rather idiotic move, considering that it's currently under a lot of pressure from its enemies. It would also require the Emperor and/or Primarchs to be blind to the fact that the Ecclesiarchy/Inquisition has played and continues to play a large role in keeping the Imperium together.

They might try to reform it a bit once its in a less dangerous position, but trying to do so in 40K's present would be folly.

sophiteem wrote:
The Astartes are his children so no they would not be disbanded. The Smurfs would get a spanking then the Inquisition would be treated like the word bearers for being fanatical boobs.

I don't think that anybody is saying to disband them. But they certainly need to be watched for treachery, as Marines have turned traitor before, and traitor Marines are often a big problem. And if they do turn traitor, then the Inquisition or any other Imperial factions that are up to it need to be able to react.

sophiteem wrote:
According to GW there is no proof the Emperor gave the order to create the Inquisition

Oh? Where do they say that?

sophiteem wrote:
Then we have the Blood Raven chapter that we dont know who founded them

Strongly hinted to be the Thousand Sons. The DoW series has a few hints that they're desceneded from a traitor legion. But then the Horus Heresy book for the Thousand Sons drops a really obvious hint when it mentions that a detatchment of Thousand Sons was away from Prospero when the Wolves attacked, whilst also mentioning the word raven at the same time.

 Troike wrote:

sophiteem wrote:
According to GW there is no proof the Emperor gave the order to create the Inquisition

Oh? Where do they say that?.

If you want to be really REALLY technical, then yea, there's no proof that the Emperor created the Inquisition (far as I know). At most, the Inquisition codex says "the most common aspect of all the legends of the inquisition are that Malcador presented the 12 (?) individuals of "an inquisitive nature to the Emperor" blah blah blah". (paraphrased, obviously)

However, the fact that almost all the legends of the Inquisition's origins, despite how those legends vary wildly in every other way, have this one thing common amongst the vast majority of them would imply it's true, I think. Well, or at least quite probable.

We might find out for sure from BL, but for now, the Emperor approving/ordering the Inquisition formed seems like a safe enough bet at least. Again, not confirmed, but more probable than the alternative given that it's the one common thing amongst the myriad of legends involving the Inquisition's origins, in my opinion.

 1hadhq wrote:
The lost Legions have obviously not turned to chaos.

Obviously. Yeah, except there is nothing obvious about it.

 1hadhq wrote:
As said before 30% of the traitor Legions kept their oath to the Emperor.

Nope. 30% of the Death Guard, according to Lexicanicum.
For Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves, it say :
“The majority of the Sons of Horus, already fiercely loyal and proud of their Warmaster, had no hesitation. They quickly renounced their oaths to the Emperor and started to worship Horus and his new gods. The remaining portion of the Legion was betrayed and wiped out by their brothers on the world of Isstvan III, but not before reverting to the use of their original name, the Luna Wolves.”
For the Emperor's Children, it says :
“The rot spread from Fulgrim to his Lord Commanders, then to company and squad leaders, and finally all but a bare handful of Marines followed Slaanesh rather than the Emperor. The remaining loyalists, led by Saul Tarvitz, a Captain of the Emperors Children, fought bravely on Isstvan III but were eventually overwhelmed as Horus, and the three Primarchs who had already declared for him wiped out those forces they believed would remain loyal to the Emperor.”
For World Eaters, strangely it is also one third of the Legion, though that could just be Angron liking to kill people more than anything else.
“Angron led the World Eaters in the first surface attack on Isstvan III to destroy the remaining Loyalist Marines. Roughly one-third of the Legion itself was marked to die by orders of Angron.”
AFAIK, all the Thousand Sons went chaotic, though more thanks to idiotic space wolves being stupid than because of a lack of loyalty.
The Lexicanicum says nothing about a purge among the Iron Warriors, neither among the Night Lords (and really, who would expect a Night Lord to be loyal ?), and for the Alpha Legion… it is secret !

 1hadhq wrote:
Why should the loyalist Legions have more than 30% turning against the Emperor and their Primarch ?

That is what I am wondering too. Why are they so keen on betraying ?

 1hadhq wrote:
Horus was Warmaster of 100% of the forces of the Imperium.

Yeah, and ?
Let me quote Lexicanicum.

The Imperial Army's subordination to the Astartes Legions led to the Imperial Army tearing itself apart in the Horus Heresy, when half of the legions rebelled against the Emperor, and took their Army regiments with them.

So, yeah, clearly coercion from the traitor legions at work.

 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
Hardly anyone from the loyalist legions turned traitor.

You should tell the Dark Angels !

sophiteem wrote:
The Emperor pushed the Imperial truth which is the anti-thesis of the inquisition. main reason he punished the word bearers.

Obviously, you do not know the fluff you are talking about .
Seriously. The Inquisition, despite its name, is NOT a religious organization. That would be the Ecclesiarchy.

sophiteem wrote:
it was the aclusiarcy and Inquisition that nearly created another civil war that could have destroyed the Imperium.

Ecclesiarchy. You should know that the Inquisition had no part in this, as in absolutely none, and that it was actually someone from the Administratum that killed the Ecclersiarch, and usurped his place. So, yeah, I am pretty confident I can dismiss anything you say as the rambling of someone who has no idea what he/she is speaking about.

sophiteem wrote:
The Smurfs would get a spanking then the Inquisition would be treated like the word bearers for being fanatical boobs.

There, we have a very good illustration that you are confusing what you, as a fan, would like, and what the Emperor would actually be likely to do.
You obviously do not like the Ultramarines, for no good reason

sophiteem wrote:
The Emperor pushed the Imperial truth which is the anti-thesis of the inquisition. main reason he punished the word bearers.

Obviously, you do not know the fluff you are talking about .
Seriously. The Inquisition, despite its name, is NOT a religious organization. That would be the Ecclesiarchy.

sophiteem wrote:
it was the aclusiarcy and Inquisition that nearly created another civil war that could have destroyed the Imperium.

Ecclesiarchy. You should know that the Inquisition had no part in this, as in absolutely none, and that it was actually someone from the Administratum that killed the Ecclersiarch, and usurped his place. So, yeah, I am pretty confident I can dismiss anything you say as the rambling of someone who has no idea what he/she is speaking about.

sophiteem wrote:
The Smurfs would get a spanking then the Inquisition would be treated like the word bearers for being fanatical boobs.

There, we have a very good illustration that you are confusing what you, as a fan, would like, and what the Emperor would actually be likely to do.
You obviously do not like the Ultramarines, for no good reason

The Lexicanicum says nothing about a purge among the Iron Warriors, neither among the Night Lords (and really, who would expect a Night Lord to be loyal ?), and for the Alpha Legion… it is secret !

In the Night Lord novels there is a flashback to Night Haunter recalling his brother Primarchs talking of the purges of their ranks of those still loyal, and Konrad had to just laugh at the idea, saying he wouldn't even know where to begin... or something to that effect.