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 CShaffer wrote:
Trying to get a feel for some of the models at my disposal, I understand the purpose of Wychs and our transports, but are any of the elites viable besides Trueborn and "Wracks"?

Not particularly.

Maybe if your meta is very uncompetative, but otherwise not really.

 CShaffer wrote:

We get two troop options and from what I have read the elites are terrabad. But I'm pretty new so if you guys have any explination to the purpose of scourges/grotesque/ect ect

Well, scourges are FA, not Elites. But, anyway, their main purpose is to be an incredibly overcosted way to get extra anti-tank once you've used up all your Elite and HS slots with Trueborn and Ravagers, respectively.

In which case, haywire blasters are a reasonable choice for stripping hull-points. Or, if you want something more risky, you could give them Heat Lances and try deep-striking near your target. The final possibility is giving them dark lances and using them like a poor-man's devastator squad. Amusingly, they're the only models in the book that actually pay a reasonable price for their dark lances... but that's counterbalanced by the models themselves being badly-overcosted.

In short, they are an overpriced and (barely) functional anti--vehicle squad.


In terms of elites, I'm going to be more brief:

Wracks - use only as troops.

Grots - If you can get them into combat, then they can do a lot of damage, though they suffer the same problem as Ogryns in that they lack any meaningful combat weapons - so you have to rely on strength alone to carry them through. Also, with the limited number you can fit on a Raider (including the character to babysit them), you can be in real trouble if they get shot down or left in the open after combat. Still, despite their dubious effectiveness, they're still an amusing unit - especially with Urien. I'll reserve most of my ire for the cost of their actual models.

Bloodbrides - So, wyches are either a tarpit or a suicide unit (with haywire grenades). Someone on the GW design team (you know who you are) decided that there should be an elite version of them. Of course, an elite tarpit, how incredibly useful. Or, possibly, an elite suicide unit that does nothing better but costs 30% more. I don't think there's a single thing they do that can't be done better (or more cost-efficiently) by a different unit.

Mandrakes - These were bad in 5th, and the nerfs to combat in more recent editions have not improved them.

Incubi - More victims of the nerfs to combat. The sad thing is, they're actually really good in combat - with WS5, I5 and S4 AP2 attacks. The problem is that they're expensive models that have no survivability outside of combat. Also, since they don't have grenades, you need an Archon to babysit them by means of a Phantasm Grenade Launcher - which racks up their cost even more and puts them higher on the target-priority list. They *might* do ok, but they're a very risky proposition. And, they take up valuable Blaster-Trueborn slots - which provide both AP2 and much-needed anti-tank.

 vipoid wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

Woo hoo. He actually did do the batrep, with pics. His batrep has the wrong ending (he says we tied, but he's forgetting the Obsec Wracks and their Obsec Raider, which made it a 5-2 win for me). We called the game at this point because the ending was inevitable but it looks like he didnt have a pic of the Raider sitting there to remind him. EDIT: Correction, he DOES have a pic of it!

Anywho, regardless, this batrep is kinda representative of what the list does to people. As you'll read, this was indeed the game in which I was like four inches away and missed like 3 or four charges. The Dice Gawds truly hated me that day. But no worries! We survived the colossal breakdown in the time space continuum and forged forth to victory. =)
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/295613-flesh-tearers-wips-and-batreps-updated-batrep-9-11-14/

The Generals name is Black Marshall. Middle of the page or so.

BTW, this is here mostly just to illustrate the WAY the army fights. I think it does a really good job of it. Conveniently, other batreps of the General are there also.

Having read that batrep, I'm confused as to why your opponent chose to deep-strike his assault marines. It seems like the least reliable way to get an assault unit (especially one with jump packs) into combat. Oh well.

Anyway, if that's anything like a typical match, then I can definitely understand your list doing well. So, thanks for providing that battle report.

 CShaffer wrote:
Once again, back to the topic at hand.
Is that a new haemoculis model or a hero or what?

I think it's a new Haemonculus model.

One thing I've heard is that there's supposed to be a big focus on Coven units in the new book. So, I'll be interested to see how that's handled.

Perhaps, among other things, Urien and Master Haemonculi might end up with either more reasonable costs or more reason to take them.

It was a single objective mission. So he put them back there and relied on his very beefy dread, Storm Raven, and even more beefy Gabriel Seth+Corbulo unit to deal with contesting/holding his objective. Figured he had plenty of units to at least contest his own, plus add in all that armor vs. my "NO AT" paper airplane army. Looked like a good bet to him as well I will wager. So if he can contest his own with all that and take mine with jump troops, what can i do? He wins.

Jancoran has lists that work and work well, despite their... unorthodox... nature. (Hah! See what I did there?)

New DE codex is gonna be full of fun, regardless of which units it changes around. The spirit of the army won't be crushed and that's what matters.

Also, see my Signature if you're looking to buy a Dark Eldar army at a wicked discount! Follow the link in the thread to see if I've dropped the price at all too!

 Laughingcarp wrote:
Jancoran has lists that work and work well, despite their... unorthodox... nature. (Hah! See what I did there?)
!

Thank you and yes, I DID see what you did there. =)

Well, Jancoran would certainly give my Sisters a run for their money.

What with us struggling to kill anything more than 12" away. >> Assaulty DEldar are one of the few things that reliable gives me trouble, really, since all of a sudden "rush them and dakka" doesn't work quite so well. Orks are less of a problem since I can at least whittle them down some on the way in because of their concentrated numbers (big units).



As for the new DEldar book, yeah... Rise of the Wracks. I was at first suspicious that actually it was a Coven Armies supplement, heh.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, Jancoran would certainly give my Sisters a run for their money.

What with us struggling to kill anything more than 12" away. >> Assaulty DEldar are one of the few things that reliable gives me trouble, really, since all of a sudden "rush them and dakka" doesn't work quite so well. Orks are less of a problem since I can at least whittle them down some on the way in because of their concentrated numbers (big units).



As for the new DEldar book, yeah... Rise of the Wracks. I was at first suspicious that actually it was a Coven Armies supplement, heh.

I just beat a Sisters of Battle force, one of the most interesting builds I'd seen in a while. i ended the game with urien and two Wracks on the board, but won 20-15. We bloodied each other but good.

Maelstrom plays different than Eternal War. Dark Eldar are good at both. When theres no time to whittle an enemy, which is part of why shooting IS effective is the time it has to operate, it dramatically changes the game. I essentially steal sometimes two rounds ofshooting from the enemy and that's not nothing.