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History apology tour.....

mitch_rifle wrote:I've watched a great series on the history of racism,slavery and colonialism from the 16th century onwards

It's scope in brutuatily and horror is almost incomprehesible, and purposely looked over and erased from the history books.

Europe has alot to answer for

Really? I find articles/documentaries/museums about the slave trade all over the place in Britain. They can't get enough of it. In school, you don't learn anything about the British Empire, but you do learn about the slave trade, and how naughty we were for taking part in it.

Not really 'looked over', and as a historian, I can tell you 100% it hasn't been 'erased from the history books'. Indeed, the regular amount of literature produced on the topic is somewhat stultifying.

 LordofHats wrote:
I'm expecting WWIII actually, or at least a huge war between India and China that distracts everyone. All this stuff with Russia of late aside, I'm still hedging my bets on WWIII starting in Asia

I'm just waiting for there to be a war the USA is not involved in again.


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 Jihadin wrote:
Firm believer of attention to detail.

Did you know how we broke the Japanese code?

By monitoring their code traffic and mentioning the potable water plant on Midway was broking. The letter indicating Midway was used in a Japanese code broadcast afterwards thereby providing a key into breaking their code. hence the US Navy prepared for battle with the IJN which became the turning point of war for the US was when we sank four IJN carriers.

Er, we'd already broken several (but not all) of their codes by then. But codes are only the language. The fresh water distiller trick was a ruse to confirm AF was Midway, not how we actually broke the code.


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And if North Vietnam had a decent sized navy, you'd be speaking Vietnamese

Actually, thats an interesting topic. If NV had a decent navy, could CHina be pushing it around?

Actually, thats an interesting topic. If NV had a decent navy, could CHina be pushing it around?

Well, we may get to answer that question, some time. US aid to Vietnam is increasing year on year. Wonder Why?

Perhaps a letter to your congressman (or woman) may reveal some answers?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm glad to see an educational crisis in America (not because I'm anti-American) but because it shows that the politicisation of history is not unique to the UK.

Unique to the UK?

Hardly, I think that the politicisation of history is something that is done by every political regime in the world! Just last week there was a huge "controversy" over here, because an exhibit was inaugurated on our parliament building showing statues of all our presidents since the implantation of the Republic and our left leaning parties all threw hissie fits because amongst those statues there were also present those of the presidents that served during our dictatorial regime...


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 Frazzled wrote:

Actually, thats an interesting topic. If NV had a decent navy, could CHina be pushing it around?

China is pushing Vietnam around? The last time that they messed with Vietnam they got their teeth kicked in...

PhantomViper wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
I'm glad to see an educational crisis in America (not because I'm anti-American) but because it shows that the politicisation of history is not unique to the UK.

Unique to the UK?

Hardly, I think that the politicisation of history is something that is done by every political regime in the world! Just last week there was a huge "controversy" over here, because an exhibit was inaugurated on our parliament building showing statues of all our presidents since the implantation of the Republic and our left leaning parties all threw hissie fits because amongst those statues there were also present those of the presidents that served during our dictatorial regime...


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 Frazzled wrote:

Actually, thats an interesting topic. If NV had a decent navy, could CHina be pushing it around?

China is pushing Vietnam around? The last time that they messed with Vietnam they got their teeth kicked in...

Please read up on China's self declared expansion of its territorial waters, seemingly right up to the Thames River....

 Frazzled wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
I'm expecting WWIII actually, or at least a huge war between India and China that distracts everyone. All this stuff with Russia of late aside, I'm still hedging my bets on WWIII starting in Asia

I'm just waiting for there to be a war the USA is not involved in again.

Why wait? You need look no further than Africa.

Shhh...don't say it loudly or someone in Washington will notice.


(which war in Africa?)

 Frazzled wrote:
Shhh...don't say it loudly or someone in Washington will notice.


(which war in Africa?)

Take your pick (that's the joke).