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Made in nz
Heroic Senior Officer




New Zealand

 adamsouza wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:

It's not right, but how do we change it?


1.) Eat the rich
2.) Redistribute their wealth
3.) Profit


Also save money on food for a few months.
   
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces






 adamsouza wrote:
 Medium of Death wrote:

It's not right, but how do we change it?


1.) Eat the rich
2.) Redistribute their wealth
3.) Profit

Told you so.
That is what we Russians have been yelling for close to a century, but nobody in the West ever wanted to listen. Maybe we did not have enough inspirational slogans? I knew we should have printed more posters...

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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord







Communism sure worked out well for Russia...

It basically is the exact same problem with the people in power swapped around. The average person suffers a lot more though.

   
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges




United States

 whembly wrote:

This is based on a thirty six year study that shows global poverty has declined 80% since 1970 entirely due to free market reforms.


That isn't what the study shows.

Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. 
   
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I didn't read it all. Did the report mention how much governments own compared to people?
   
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges




United States

 Laemos wrote:
I didn't read it all. Did the report mention how much governments own compared to people?


It didn't draw a conclusion regarding the cause of poverty reduction at all, that nonsense was seemingly added by Mark Perry writing for AEI.

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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. 
   
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord







Certainly the title talks about "distribution of income". I'm not going to look beyond that this evening but presumably it just shows that people got a little bit more money but they were still ultimately below the poverty line?

   
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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

 dogma wrote:
 Laemos wrote:
I didn't read it all. Did the report mention how much governments own compared to people?


It didn't draw a conclusion regarding the cause of poverty reduction at all, that nonsense was seemingly added by Mark Perry writing for AEI.

Uh...

The Conclusion of that study:
Spoiler:
The main empirical results of this paper are: 1) Global poverty rates decline
between 1970 and 2006. This is true for poverty lines ranging from $1/day to $10/day. 2)
Global poverty counts decline between 1970 and 2006 for poverty lines from $1/day to
$3/day. The total number of poor people has declined by more than 617 million if we use
the $1/day line and by more than 780 million if we use the $2/day line. For higher
poverty lines, poverty counts increased during the early years but are all declining by
2006. 3) Global income inequality has fallen between 1970 and 2006. This is true for the
Gini coefficient, for a wide variety of Atkinson indexes and General Entropy indexes as
well as the 90th-to-10th and the 75th-to-25th percentile ratios. 4) We systematically analyze
the normative effects of changes in the world distribution of income using a strongly
microfounded definition of welfare as the certainty equivalent of a lottery over all
incomes in the world. We find that world welfare increases at increasing rates during our
sample period, and records dramatic increases whether computed across citizens or across
countries, notwithstanding increases in unweighted between-country inequality. Total
growth in world welfare measured is estimated to be between 77% and 160%, with most
estimates over 100%. 5) At the regional level we observe that poverty rates and GDP per
capita behave as “mirror images” of one another: whenever GDP grows, poverty tends to
decline and whenever poverty declines, GDP tends not grow. 6) Poverty has declined
substantially in East and South Asia, and has recently began declining in Africa.
We show that our conclusions are robust to a general sensitivity analysis, and in
particular, to three key areas of uncertainty: 1) uncertainty over the functional form of the
country income distribution, 2) uncertainty over potential nonresponse biases in
household surveys, and 3) uncertainty over the correct method of computing a PPPadjusted
GDP series. We show that the robustness extends not only to the global trends
of falling poverty and inequality, but also that finer trends persist under specification
changes. In particular we robustly demonstrate that, 1) poverty exhibits a “tsunami”
effect, in which poverty declines decelerate for lower poverty lines and accelerate at
higher ones, 2) poverty becomes an essentially African phenomenon, and 3) most of the
decline in inequality is a decline in population-weighted between-country inequality.
Our data allows us to give a progress report on the first Millennium Development
Goal of halving poverty from 1990 to 2015. Table 12 shows that estimates from our
modifications in the sensitivity analysis indicate that so far, poverty has fallen by about
30% in the 16 years since 1990, giving the world ample time to reduce poverty by a
further 20% of 1990 levels. If we accept the World Bank’s recent PPP revision, then
poverty has fallen by about 58%, and the first MDG has been achieved, since the PPP
revision assigns to the 1990s a large part of China’s poverty decline that the Penn World
Tables and Maddison assign to the 1980s. Importantly, a large part of the decline in
poverty has taken place in Africa. Using the Penn World Tables as our source of GDP,
we see that Africa has decreased poverty by 20-25% from 1990 levels, making it likely
that it will come close to, or perhaps even achieve the MDG within its continent.


So, doggie... why did poverty decline then if it wasn't the expansion of free markes/globalizations?

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United States

 Medium of Death wrote:
Certainly the title talks about "distribution of income". I'm not going to look beyond that this evening but presumably it just shows that people got a little bit more money but they were still ultimately below the poverty line?


Quite the opposite. Their results show that rates of global poverty, and inequality, have fallen.

 whembly wrote:

So, doggie... why did poverty decline then if it wasn't the expansion of free markes/globalizations?


I don't know what caused the poverty decline, there are too many variables that were not controlled for to draw any conclusion other than the one the researchers actually drew.

Anyway, you initially said that poverty reduction was solely the result of free market reforms. I pointed out that conclusion was drawn by Mark Perry, not the study he cited.

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New Bedford, MA USA

We set a nice target like $100,000,000.00 USD.

I anyone has more than that, the government siezes it and puts into infrastructure, healthcare, etc...

When anyone with more than $100,000,000.00 complains about it, they get a swift kick inbetween the legs.

Use the money for fund no cost college education to push innovation, renewable energy, bigger military, more law enforcement, a space program...

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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord







I'll need to read it tomorrow.

I'm assuming it takes into account the devaluation of currency? So getting paid a certain amount 50 years ago is equivalent to getting paid X now?

   
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New York City

 Grey Templar wrote:
So Steve Jobs, the great and powerful Woz, and Bill Gates are nobody?


Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak are cool. Steve Jobs is an donkey-cave, and a sociopath. I think he really should be considered a nobody.

I will forever remain humble because I know I could have less.
I will always be grateful because I remember I've had less. 
   
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 LumenPraebeo wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
So Steve Jobs, the great and powerful Woz, and Bill Gates are nobody?


Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak are cool. Steve Jobs is an donkey-cave, and a sociopath. I think he really should be considered a nobody.


Yes, but that isn't really relevant.

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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

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Everett, WA

 LumenPraebeo wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
So Steve Jobs, the great and powerful Woz, and Bill Gates are nobody?

Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak are cool. Steve Jobs is an donkey-cave, and a sociopath. I think he really should be considered a nobody.

Sign me up.




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Interesting, the conclusion, among other things, notes that along with poverty, welfare has also risen worldwide.
Free market economy is mentioned nowhere.
From this study, a more likely further conjecture is that welfare increases have lifted people over the poverty lines, not capitalism, and that the increased stability in, well, practically everywhere except the Middle East and parts of Africa led to a rise in GDPs which in turn led to more people being able to lift or be lifted above the poverty line.
It's also interesting to note that the poverty threshold for this study apparently lies at $10 a DAY. While I know that large parts of the world (I've been to a bunch of them) don't have anywhere near the cost of living of the Western world, that still seems like an extremely low bar to me which pretty much automatically disqualifies anyone living in Europe or North America from qualifiying as poor despite the much higher cost of living (and logically, higher poverty threshold) there.

I also note that the drop in income inequality mentioned is only for one way of measuring said inequality, and one that is arguably completely irrelevant to the income inequality most people talk about when the subject is discussed. That's not a criticism of the report as such - the type of inequality measured makes sense given its scope.
   
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 Piston Honda wrote:
FYI to all the 1%ers out there, when and if you choose to crush us (the poor slobs) under your boot of oppression, I would make an excellent indoor pet.


I'll put you on the list.

   
 
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