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I have BA. And I play against admittedly a lot of Tau and Eldar power lists. See, I get tabled a lot. So I have nothing holding anything at the end of the game usually. Bringing more units that don't help me not get tabled is useless.

At the same time, pre-grav marines tried that tac holding action crap against me a lot, and I tabled them over and over with the old BA codex. And the ones who didn't catch on to the Tiggystar right away were STILL being tabled by my BA because their tac marines contributed nothing against me.

Yeah, I used to think Battle Sister Squads were bad, but they can at least take two melta guns in a squad of 5 and cost 10 points less than a 5 man tac squad.

Like everyone said, they're cheap as hell and good protection. Imagine a S8 AP3 Large Blast. Normally, that would wreck your marines, but instead, is most likely a glance/pen on your Rhino, that can't blow it up. Also, Dedicated is great being a fast objective holder (faster than your marines).

I like Razorbacks too, but they're a little more expensive and limited on capacity. Either way, don't forget you can tank shock to try and force units off an objective, or I've used it next to my Devestators to deny my opponents from flanking my backside.

My regular opponent lost his Landraider Terminus Ultra to a single shot from my Lascannon squad on the second turn ( Roll to hit: 2, 3, 5 roll to pen 6 roll to damage 6 - and yes, he was on full HP and undamaged 8) )

Does that make the Terminus Ultra useless?

I run 3 rhinos and a land raider in both HH and SM.

Really fun when done right.

Also, not sure if already mentioned, but Ravenguard can scout Rhinos. That is insanely useful for early rushes/Maelstrom objectives

My preferred set up is 2 squads of 5 Tacs with a Plasmagun and maybe a Combi-Plas in Rhinos.

Even when not using the extra capacity, I don't think it's worth the extra points for a Razorback. They're not even close to worth it for the H. Bolter, and the weapon upgrades are on the expensive side for AV 11.

The extra points saved help me to field more of the competitive units in the dex or even units that are more fun to play like Tac Terminators.

 master of ordinance wrote:
My regular opponent lost his Landraider Terminus Ultra to a single shot from my Lascannon squad on the second turn ( Roll to hit: 2, 3, 5 roll to pen 6 roll to damage 6 - and yes, he was on full HP and undamaged 8) )

Does that make the Terminus Ultra useless?

I'm sure we both realize that's a misrepresentation. Flip the argument - does this make Tacs amazing? Can you reliably expect a Tac Squad to blow up a Land Raider Terminus Ultra in one shot? Can you reliably expect to lose a Terminus Ultra in one lascannon shot? Anecdotes can be handy, but don't expect them to shift an argument...

 undertow wrote:
Do you find that using Rhinos is almost handing First Blood to your opponent?

Nope. Then again, my Rhinos are almost never on the board at the start of the game. My Rhinos are also Fast, so when they come in from Reserve, they can be anywhere in my table half on the turn they arrive, and anywhere on the board the following turn.

Reserves are very, very risky.

Reserves are only risky when you need them as soon as possible. Tactical Squads in Rhinos from a BSF aren't the sort of unit that I'll go crazy trying to get onto the table as soon as possible.

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Reserves are only risky when you need them as soon as possible. Tactical Squads in Rhinos from a BSF aren't the sort of unit that I'll go crazy trying to get onto the table as soon as possible.

True, but the Rhinos do add to armor saturation still.