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 Strombones wrote:
 nels1031 wrote:
Knew it from the start.




Yeah you called that from the very get go.

I guess the only silver lining is the community support that emerged from it? Happy to see hatred (albeit faked) met with its proper 21st century response.



Delta is such a small town in the podunks, I guess the case was bound to be quickly solved one way or the other.
   
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 Orlanth wrote:
I called this one as not adding up on page one.

Is this a tragedy because people wont be so easy to believe claims of hate crime?

Or is it actually blessing because it will lead people not to believe that all claims of hate crime are automatically warranted.

Frankly I think the latter, there is a double bias in these cases, first societal need to believe a protected minority, and second a societal anger against those who are accused of breaking taboos. Savvy protected peoples are often more than aware of the power now placed in thier hands to label and ruin others, with paedoscare being the most frequently encountered problem. As a fair number of vindictive young people have lie to get a adult into a huge amount of trouble, and many lives have been ruined by this, authorities are wise to these abuses.
All in all exposure of fake cases is a good thing, because the automatic belief if someone due to their protected status while having the veneer of equality is in fact very unequal, having privileged access to support by claiming to be victimised due to minority status is also unequal.
Real equality comes when protected status affords no special protection, just the guarantee of normal civic protection, and these offending s special status individual are not treated any more harshly than an offense against anyone else.


Some good points in there. First off have you ever seen the Swedish film "The Hunt"? Its a great story of a man accused of pedophilia and the follow on destruction of his life. It is chilling to think of being put in such a situation in real life.

I've always found the term "hate crime" to be a bit redundant. Aren't all violent crimes by their very nature hateful? If a heterosexual man carved "die " into the forearm of another heterosexual man would it be any less hateful?

   
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I think the impact of fake cases is disproportionate relative to their number. How many false accusations of rape are there? Not that many, yet rape convictions are notoriously hard to secure partly due to this underlying suspicion that it's being made up. Whenever there's a rape claim, skepticism is abound, I've heard the same comments of disbelief time and again in manner you don't get for things like burglary. Which is why so many don't report in the first place. False reporting of crime has a big impact, it's fairly rare to be completely made up yet a large number of genuine cases are viewed with suspicion thereafter as though it were commonplace.

False reporting of crime should be prosecuted somewhere between wasting police time to perverting the course of justice or even perjury, depending on how far it is taken. It shouldn't be treated lightly.
   
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 Strombones wrote:


Some good points in there. First off have you ever seen the Swedish film "The Hunt"? Its a great story of a man accused of pedophilia and the follow on destruction of his life. It is chilling to think of being put in such a situation in real life.


I have seen this in action on no less than four occasions with different people., none of whom were paedophiles and one was myself.

In my case some drug dealers wanted rid of me because I was a family friend of someone who was getting deeper into addiction and tried to get in their way. Thankfully the police saw through the paedo allegations immediately and acted against the accusers, these drug dealers were however cheap and replied on hearsay, had they been more professional and bribed a kid to make a false statement it could have been a lot worse trouble.
Though getting me in trouble with the police wasn't the goal, it was to spread a rumour that "Orlanth (real name used though) is a paedo", and a stalker to boot, the person I was 'stalking' being the drug victim. The goal of that was that any beered up crowd that saw me would do the drug dealers work for them, it's a beating/knifing by proxy, with the accusers hands nominally clean of blood. I understood and didn't sit on this, or hide as many do, but went straight to the police who to make a long story short chased the drug dealers out of town. It helped that the victims mother wrote an testimony that vindicated me, and confirmed I was acting with her blessing, and that the local police were aware of what I was doing.
Nevertheless I was given a police order not to approach the drug victim, but the wording was far less stringent to the one they each had about approaching me, the former requiring a high level of proof, the later only requiring my word and a call to police emergency services, which I was requested to do on sight.. My own restriction I was quietly informed later by a friendly face was for my protection as the dug dealers were considering other means or removing me.
We lost the fight to stop the drug dealers turning the victim into something akin to an undead though, so I didn't achieve what I set out to so, but did escape consequence of retaliation.

One of the nastiest cases I herd of was this man in a council estate who 'looked like a paedo' which doesn't make any sense because paedos could be anyone. He was just fat, unkempt and living on his own, so he 'must be a pervert right.' Anyone one evening a 15 year old girl on the estate went to her friends house to play computer games rather than go home from school, but stayed far longer than usual. When she finally decided to go home late in the evening her 'worried' parents, who had not so far bothered to make any attempt to find her, got angry. The girl panicked and rather than tell the truth said she was accosted by the 'local paedo'. A brute squad was gathered from most adult males in the estate, and only later when she found out how much damage her local community had done to the victim, plus the fact that she was known by others o have been playing computer games, did she come clean.
Worst part about this is the police did nothing; and the local community, rather than face up to their own actions, justified themselves that he must have had it coming because he was still allegedly the 'local paedo'.


One other thing I have learned is that a paedo allegation is automatically believed by most female police officers. In all the other cases I heard of female officers work on the principle of condemn first and reluctantly accept innocence only after the most vigorous proven defence. If this tactic is used on you are anyone you know, find a male law enforcement officer, it makes a difference.
Because its so taboo and so dangerous accusing people of being child molesters is the smear of choice by organised crime and vindictive lowlives. Its only on rare occasions that the mud doesn't stick, I got lucky, lucky enough I even talk about it. but even in my case I only escaped damage because spoke to the police early, was known in the community as a decent and morally upright individual, my accusers were the opposite and at last two people went out of their way to protest my innocence on my behalf.
I was fortunate indeed.



 Strombones wrote:

I've always found the term "hate crime" to be a bit redundant. Aren't all violent crimes by their very nature hateful? If a heterosexual man carved "die " into the forearm of another heterosexual man would it be any less hateful?


No, but society doesn't work that way. Right are more uneven than prior to political correctness.

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The problem with harsher punishment for this person for lying is that in the rare case of someone doing a similar thing, they'll be more likely to keep up the act and not come clean out of fear of the consequences. It's best to give him a firm punishment, but not one a person in a similar situation would be totally afraid of.

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