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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:06:41
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Shas'la with Pulse Carbine
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I think the contention is that haywire while not used often now, would be used more often, and is often cheap. So because the armies that have accesses tend to have plenty of access, keeping an armor save like with poison weapons (which i can see is a like-to-like argument) still have armor saves generally.
now tau firewarriors can take haywire grenades at 2pts a model. if you let a squad fun up to you because other threats nearby took fire instead thats 12 haywire grenades, 9 hit, 7 reliably wound, on a 3+ save it could reasonably die within 1 charge still. and that's tau firewarriors.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:07:42
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Martel732 wrote:Bright lances and dark lances would get 2 wounds vs MCs as well. I'd give the Tau Railgun on the Hammerhead 3 wounds, myself.
Just add a rule called "Wounding(x)"
x is equivelant to how many wounds are dealt per failed save.
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:14:12
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Missionary On A Mission
Eastern VA
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I really like those ideas, actually.
I'd give Monster Slayer (2 wounds on a successful to-wound roll) to the following:
Lascannon, bright lance, dark lance, meltagun, multimelta, fusion gun, fusion blaster, krak missile, starshot missile, battle cannon, supa-cannon, kustom mega-blasta, heat ray, conversion beamer, heavy rail rifle, eradication beamer, plasma cannon (not plasma gun/pistol), inferno pistol, fusion pistol, helfrost cannon, helfrost destructor
Then I'd give Monster Destroyer (3 wounds on a successful to-wound roll) to:
Neutron laser, railgun, prism cannon (lance mode), earthshaker cannon, demolisher cannon, laser destroyer, death ray, (Doomsday Ark cannon - proper name forgotten), void lance, orbital bombardment, thermal cannon
I'm sure there's some I've forgotten, but that covers the major bases.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:14:27
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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pumaman1 wrote:I think the contention is that haywire while not used often now, would be used more often, and is often cheap. So because the armies that have accesses tend to have plenty of access, keeping an armor save like with poison weapons (which i can see is a like-to-like argument) still have armor saves generally.
now tau firewarriors can take haywire grenades at 2pts a model. if you let a squad fun up to you because other threats nearby took fire instead thats 12 haywire grenades, 9 hit, 7 reliably wound, on a 3+ save it could reasonably die within 1 charge still. and that's tau firewarriors.
I believe i misunderstood. i took as it you meant that they SHOULDN'T get armor saves against haywire. Because as i understand it, if you gave the vehicle and armor save they would already get an armor save. I believe Haywire are AP -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:14:33
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Missionary On A Mission
Eastern VA
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Tactical_Spam wrote:Martel732 wrote:Bright lances and dark lances would get 2 wounds vs MCs as well. I'd give the Tau Railgun on the Hammerhead 3 wounds, myself.
Just add a rule called "Wounding(x)"
x is equivelant to how many wounds are dealt per failed save.
Even better! I'll heartily second that. Automatically Appended Next Post: Dyslexican32 wrote: pumaman1 wrote:I think the contention is that haywire while not used often now, would be used more often, and is often cheap. So because the armies that have accesses tend to have plenty of access, keeping an armor save like with poison weapons (which i can see is a like-to-like argument) still have armor saves generally.
now tau firewarriors can take haywire grenades at 2pts a model. if you let a squad fun up to you because other threats nearby took fire instead thats 12 haywire grenades, 9 hit, 7 reliably wound, on a 3+ save it could reasonably die within 1 charge still. and that's tau firewarriors.
I believe i misunderstood. i took as it you meant that they SHOULDN'T get armor saves against haywire. Because as i understand it, if you gave the vehicle and armor save they would already get an armor save. I believe Haywire are AP -
Not all - depends on the weapon. The Dark Eldar and Harlequin versions are AP4, though haywire 'nades are AP -, usually.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:17:54
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Should vehicles get to overwatch? That seems like a likely issue...
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:19:54
Subject: Re:Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Violent Space Marine Dedicated to Khorne
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Why add additional rules to deal with MC's? there are already rules that specifically deal with them why add new ones? Poison and monster hunter among them. And Grav also already deals with them efficiently. So why add MORE rules to just make MC's pointless. we will be in the same spot we are with Vehicles talking on a thread of how to "fix them"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:23:55
Subject: Re:Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Dyslexican32 wrote:Why add additional rules to deal with MC's? there are already rules that specifically deal with them why add new ones? Poison and monster hunter among them. And Grav also already deals with them efficiently. So why add MORE rules to just make MC's pointless. we will be in the same spot we are with Vehicles talking on a thread of how to "fix them"
Monster hunter... A rule that nobody has... And the only rule that speciffically applies to MCs.
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:30:48
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Hey now, Predator Squadrons of 3 have Monster Hunter, so that's something.
Then there's the SW Formation...
So only certain, specific Space Marines get Monster Hunter in rare circumstances
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/02 21:48:27
Subject: Re:Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Dyslexican32 wrote:Why add additional rules to deal with MC's? there are already rules that specifically deal with them why add new ones? Poison and monster hunter among them. And Grav also already deals with them efficiently. So why add MORE rules to just make MC's pointless. we will be in the same spot we are with Vehicles talking on a thread of how to "fix them"
Poison (gives saves) and monster hunter (too rare) generally don't cut. Especially vs GMCs. And the additional rules because MCs are way too good right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 20:21:19
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Matt.Kingsley wrote:Hey now, Predator Squadrons of 3 have Monster Hunter, so that's something.
Then there's the SW Formation...
So only certain, specific Space Marines get Monster Hunter in rare circumstances 
I bet you can count the amount of units that have/give Monster Hunter on your hands.
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 20:29:30
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Missionary On A Mission
Eastern VA
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Yeah, there aren't many... Tau can get it, SM under some circumstances. Grey Knights?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/03/03 20:31:00
Subject: Vehicle Armour Save Rules
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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jade_angel wrote:Yeah, there aren't many... Tau can get it, SM under some circumstances. Grey Knights?
IG senior commanders can give it... Straken has it...
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H.B.M.C.- The end hath come! From now on armies will only consist of Astorath, Land Speeder Storms and Soul Grinders!
War Kitten- Vanden, you just taunted the Dank Lord Ezra. Prepare for seven years of fighting reality...
koooaei- Emperor: I envy your nipplehorns. <Magnus goes red. Permanently>
Neronoxx- If our Dreadnought doesn't have sick scuplted abs, we riot.
Frazzled- I don't generally call anyone by a term other than "sir" "maam" "youn g lady" "young man" or " HEY bag!"
Ruin- It's official, we've ran out of things to talk about on Dakka. Close the site. We're done.
mrhappyface- "They're more what you'd call guidlines than actual rules" - Captain Roboute Barbosa
Steve steveson- To be clear, I'd sell you all out for a bottle of scotch and a mid priced hooker.
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