Obama blames Britain and France for Libyan mess

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**Grey Templar**

Kilkrazy wrote:

We're not going to suddenly convert everyone in the Middle East to liberal pluralistic democracy, but most of the youth is coming over to our side, as in Iran, and gradually things will turn around. as the old guard die off.

I don't think that's correct. Everything I have seen shows that Islamic extremism is most popular among the youth, with the older portions of the population being the voice of reason. And that extremism is only going to get worse with time.

**Jihadin**

I'm with Templar. The youth in Iran is influence by the Elder/Imams who are major focal points in their lives same as their parents. Iran VIP who came to the UN talked to Cameron which I remember correctly they wanted to talk to him. Obama crew were trying their damdest to get the VIP on the phone with him

**Kilkrazy**

Grey Templar wrote:
Kilkrazy wrote:

We're not going to suddenly convert everyone in the Middle East to liberal pluralistic democracy, but most of the youth is coming over to our side, as in Iran, and gradually things will turn around. as the old guard die off.

I don't think that's correct. Everything I have seen shows that Islamic extremism is most popular among the youth, with the older portions of the population being the voice of reason. And that extremism is only going to get worse with time.

You understand of course that Islamism can be most popular among the youth and still a minority interest? To make up an example, 10% of oldsters could be Islamists, and 15% of youngsters, and that leaves 87.5% of all Muslims as moderate.

There's no reason to suppose it will only get worse with time. Islam is already over 1,500 years old. Clearly extremism doesn't inevitably get worse with time, or it would already be as bad as it could get.

**Grey Templar**

Kilkrazy wrote:
Islam is already over 1,500 years old. Clearly extremism doesn't inevitably get worse with time, or it would already be as bad as it could get.

Errmm, gonna have to disagree.

Islam was at its most moderate during the early middle ages. And I don't think its total age is any sort of proof one way or the other.

**Jihadin**

Paganism is very much older and still around today

**Skinnereal**

Jihadin wrote:
Paganism is very much older and still around today

Yet seems far more sociable about other religions than ISIS-types, despite the age.

**Iron_Captain**

Skinnereal wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
Paganism is very much older and still around today
Yet seems far more sociable about other religions than ISIS-types, despite the age.

Well, all pagans I know are of the extreme-right neo-nazi type...
Then there is the whole historical persecution of christians, and the ritualistic raiding and warfare many pagan religions used to have... I wouldn't say pagan religions are more sociable than others by default.

**Silent Puffin?**

Jihadin wrote:
Paganism is very much older and still around today

But there is no specific thing called Paganism so its not a very good analogy.

**Jihadin**

Why I picked one I can relate very closely to. Bacchus....Roman God of Alcohol and Sex. Sure the other guy can make water into wine and multiply fish and bread. I settle for steaks hand carved from a butcher slave and hand fed to me by my love slaves as I watch some unfortunate criminal fighting a lion with broken finger nails and screaming

**feeder**

Jihadin wrote:
Why I picked one I can relate very closely to. Bacchus....Roman God of Alcohol and Sex. Sure the other guy can make water into wine and multiply fish and bread. I settle for steaks hand carved from a butcher slave and hand fed to me by my love slaves as I watch some unfortunate criminal fighting a lion with broken finger nails and screaming

I get the unsettling feeling you typed that with one hand...

**Jihadin**

Seen Generation X?
Combat Jerk? Its a real thing......