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 Thokt wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Requizen wrote:


These FAQ updates will invariably force an update in all tournament FAQs. Likely, many of the answers will overlap since they're common sense or based off RAI (1 Spyder per Canoptek Harvest, for instance), but others may not.

I wouldn't be sop sure actually, in the past they have FAQ'd things that were not even up for debate and made a massive change to a unit. Off the top of my head the most noteworthy being helldrakes gaining 360 degree firing out of nowhere. I can't think of a formation FAQ to date however meaning there isn't much precedent if any. I would NOT be surprised for example if multiple spyders were allowed in a CH.


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 O'Whelk wrote:
Asked whether GMCs get cover just from being in area terrain or if they need to be 25% obscured. I know it's pretty clear in the rulebook, but I figure it's worth a shot.

It's funny how many times a possible FAQ question comes to mind only to realize the rule is clear but just monumentally stupid to begin with .

I will say, that if they do follow through with this in a significant way, that there will be some solid head scratchers in the bunch.

If this poor community rep guy does somehow succeed in getting the majority of these questions answered which I find doubtful since GW rules team have long ago abandoned the faq email address. With the amount of questions being asked and many about the same concept but regarding different examples I fully expect contradictory answers. I fully expect answers like no the IC will not benefit from skyhammer rules and yes an IC is considered part of a formation for rules purposes. This will only lead to follow up questions That will not be answered for another extended period of time.

Seriously though I will be surprised if the community rep guy is able to tie down one or multiple of the rules guy for a day and get them to answer all these questions. It's overwhelming just for me to read all 1700 comments and it's only day two of the week and the comments are only getting worst as time goes on. People are posting multiple repeated questions, asking for unit changes or improvements, or asking for old models to be remade again or old unit entries like Marbo.

To be fair after the first day I think every legitimate question was already asked in some form.

Charax wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And the validity of these answers is... ?

Since they're giving them to the rules team to answer, 100%.

Actually you mean the design studio. The rules team AKA the mail order guys over the phone have no more validity than you or I, traditionally giving contradictory answers to the same question.

In the very first comment on the post they refer to the Design Studio as the "Rules Guys", so unless you're actually going to argue the "Rules Guys" are a distinct group from the "Rules Team", you're wrong

Someone needs to put that query into the list.

Anyone know if the question about the interactions of Lance weapons against necron quantum shielding has been asked?

I may also be completely missing something obvious but do passengers fire snap shots if a transport they are in Jinks? It seems like the answer should be obvious but I can't find any rules that say they do, perhaps worth asking as a RAI question?

I've seen both those questions asked multiple times. The top one almost exactly as you wrote it and the bottom one in reference to dark eldar tramsports.

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Interestingly, Games Workshop is also asking around their independent stockists for feedback and suggestions on what they could do differently.

The Age of Rountree will be interesting indeed.

gungo wrote:


Seriously though I will be surprised if the community rep guy is able to tie down one or multiple of the rules guy for a day and get them to answer all these questions. It's overwhelming just for me to read all 1700 comments and it's only day two of the week and the comments are only getting worst as time goes on. People are posting multiple repeated questions, asking for unit changes or improvements, or asking for old models to be remade again or old unit entries like Marbo.

To be fair after the first day I think every legitimate question was already asked in some form.

I would be shocked if the rules team sees a list of more then 50 questions They will certainly delete many of the stupid ones and group the repeated or similar questions together.

So long as they keep asking the community and this is not just a one-off, this could improve 40k in leaps and bounds.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So long as they keep asking the community and this is not just a one-off, this could improve 40k in leaps and bounds.

Well, if they implement it. Bit of a turd polishing exercise unless the changes are placed into the game.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sort of related:

Interestingly, Games Workshop is also asking around their independent stockists for feedback and suggestions on what they could do differently.

The Age of Rountree will be interesting indeed.

Step 1) allow forgeworld books to be sold in GW stores and fw models to be order for pick up in store as well as web only releases in store. This will increase sales in GW stores which has no leverage since online retailers are significantly cheaper. And will save customers shipping costs.

Step 2) allow independant retailers to order as kitties or as much product they want to stock. Independant safe forced to maintain large orders of stock that doesn't sell. This also means you may find a ton of comic/game shops with space marine starter kits and nothing else but it's better than them not stocking any GW product. I'm not sure what the independant stockist return policy is but there should be a 90 day return policy on product that doesn't sell. The ~25% markdown independants stockist recieve seem fair. Some of which is passed to consumers.

Step 3) add better battle reports on white dwarf that deal with more awkward game/rules scenarios. Add a faq section to white dwarf where the white dwarf team asks the rules team 2-3 rules questions in each magazine that we can submit.

Step 4) personally I think GW can keep printing money by releasing board game products that introduce new models into multiple game systems. Something like a new 28mm inquisitor skirmish game with models used in 40/30k. Redo chaos space marines with models useful in both 30/40k.

Step 5) I'm not sure how they can solve the issue of a fractured community and player base with the removal of game tables in most stores although I understand the reason to reduce costs. They will need a vibrant organized play community like ffg has for xwing but split it via narrative and competitive like most tournaments do.

gungo wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sort of related:

Interestingly, Games Workshop is also asking around their independent stockists for feedback and suggestions on what they could do differently.

The Age of Rountree will be interesting indeed.

Step 2) allow independant retailers to order as kitties or as much product they want to stock. Independant safe forced to maintain large orders of stock that doesn't sell. This also means you may find a ton of comic/game shops with space marine starter kits and nothing else but it's better than them not stocking any GW product. I'm not sure what the independant stockist return policy is but there should be a 90 day return policy on product that doesn't sell. The ~25% markdown independants stockist recieve seem fair. Some of which is passed to consumers.

Just to comment on this based on (old) experience, most product in comic/game stores is purchased at about a 40% discount. 25% makes for a comparatively slim margin and GW boxes take up a fair amount of space. For comparison, Privateer Press appears to wholesale with a 40-50% discount through the distributor. That said, there is no shortage of online vendors who will sell GW product at 25% off, so I can't imagine they're only getting a 25% discount.

just put this up in the thread on YMDC, but worth reposting here

Here is the first 1950 responses, roughly filtered to remove most of the headings. If you put a word in cell A1 column A will tell you whether it is included in the text to the right. You can then use the filter to bring up all questions with the word "wraith" in them for example.

skarsol wrote:

gungo wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sort of related:

Interestingly, Games Workshop is also asking around their independent stockists for feedback and suggestions on what they could do differently.

The Age of Rountree will be interesting indeed.

Step 2) allow independant retailers to order as kitties or as much product they want to stock. Independant safe forced to maintain large orders of stock that doesn't sell. This also means you may find a ton of comic/game shops with space marine starter kits and nothing else but it's better than them not stocking any GW product. I'm not sure what the independant stockist return policy is but there should be a 90 day return policy on product that doesn't sell. The ~25% markdown independants stockist recieve seem fair. Some of which is passed to consumers.

Just to comment on this based on (old) experience, most product in comic/game stores is purchased at about a 40% discount. 25% makes for a comparatively slim margin and GW boxes take up a fair amount of space. For comparison, Privateer Press appears to wholesale with a 40-50% discount through the distributor. That said, there is no shortage of online vendors who will sell GW product at 25% off, so I can't imagine they're only getting a 25% discount.

yea I don't know the exact number all I know is I had a local hobby store sell off its stock and wouldn't stack a $5 off coupon I had in the store because the owner said it would be a loss if they did. It might be 40% but I've never seen discounts higher then 25% on any of thier products.

The wholesale discount is tiered, but I believe 40% is the most common.

GW don't like people discounting too heavily, and somewhere in their trade terms is, I believe, something to the effect of "we're not allowed to tell you what price to sell our product for, but we are allowed, however, to choose who we do and don't supply for any reason, so before you discount too heavily, think about that."

 Azreal13 wrote:
The wholesale discount is tiered, but I believe 40% is the most common.

GW don't like people discounting too heavily, and somewhere in their trade terms is, I believe, something to the effect of "we're not allowed to tell you what price to sell our product for, but we are allowed, however, to choose who we do and don't supply for any reason, so before you discount too heavily, think about that."

Yep, there are plenty of ways for suppliers to make life difficult for heavy discounters without breaking the law.

I asked about how many psychic powers per turn. Ie: can Grey Knights strike squads cast Hammerhand and Force in the same turn? The community in Australia seems to be 50/50 on that one.


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It's become a routine question to ask before games.

Yeah, that's been asked many many times in the thread. It's one of the bigger true issues needing resolution due to their ambiguous wording.

Anyone asked yet if piranha formation can leave the table the same turn it enters?

gungo wrote:
And let's be honest if these faqs come out they will influence every tournament faq.

Has anyone asked if flickerjump is a warpjump and thus limited to one a turn?

Has anyone asked if shrike is intended to be solo because infiltrate makes it so he can't join most units?

I asked about the flicker jump

 Hulksmash wrote:
Anyone asked yet if piranha formation can leave the table the same turn it enters?

Yes

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea instead of being happy that they are communicating and doing FAQ's plenty of people are asking obviously unrelated questions to ensure this is a failure.

It's a great step in the right directions, let's hope the comments don't blow up into a mess.

What did they expect to happen? They've finally given their customers an outlet to vent to the company themselves. These FB pages are not even a week old. You're going to get an initial burst of things like this as people want to get stuff off their chests. If GW really want to stay the course and not have a mardy like last time and take their ball and storm off they have to weather all of this. Let people vent, let people say what they've gotta say; then once all this has (hopefully for them) died down, then they can get to the actual questions.

There's no reason to make excuses for ass-hats to be ass-hats, is there?

It's less 'making excuses' and more 'not being at all surprised'...


However appropriate (or not) that behaviour is, it's a completely unsurprising reaction to GW finally opening the floodgates after shutting themselves away for so long. If they can keep it up and are willing to put some serious effort into rebuilding a more positive relationship with their customer base, it will eventually die down... but there's going to have to be a certain amount of hunkering in and weathering the storm before that can happen.

 insaniak wrote:
It's less 'making excuses' and more 'not being at all surprised'...


However appropriate (or not) that behaviour is, it's a completely unsurprising reaction to GW finally opening the floodgates after shutting themselves away for so long. If they can keep it up and are willing to put some serious effort into rebuilding a more positive relationship with their customer base, it will eventually die down... but there's going to have to be a certain amount of hunkering in and weathering the storm before that can happen.

This is more or less my train of logic. Deserved? Yes.
Is it the route of the better Man/Woman/Genderfluidanthropomorphicwolf? No.
We'll see what GW thinks.

Hey guys,
We wanted to say a big thank you to all of you who took the time to send in your questions for the next round of FAQs.
There were a lot of them (over 2,000!), so bear with us — we'll get the answers back to you as quickly as we can.
If you didn't get a chance to ask your question, there are good odds someone already did, so don't worry too much. While you're waiting, feel free to resolve any rules disputes in the time-honoured tradition of Rock, Paper, Chainsword.

The Rock, Paper, Chainsword made me lol

 Swampmist wrote:
The Rock, Paper, Chainsword made me lol

Yeah...Games Workshop is running dangerously close to being cool again.

Can't wait, seeing that most of the Necron questions were asked.

 Swampmist wrote:
The Rock, Paper, Chainsword made me lol

I usually play rock, paper, chainsword, lascannon.

I normally win, unless it's an Eldar player, then they just whip out D-Cannon...

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
The Rock, Paper, Chainsword made me lol

I usually play rock, paper, chainsword, lascannon.

I normally win, unless it's an Eldar player, then they just whip out D-Cannon...

I would never whip out my D-cannon in a rock paper scissors game. That's just indecent.

I'm just thrilled that a real, actual human being might look at mob rule and say "oh yea, hey, we left off 7 and 8 from the table." Even if they don't do anything to make the rule more fun (i.e. having the ork player not kill quite so many of his own models) at least we know that we aren't losing just because of a misprint. Heck, I'd rather lose to Tau than a Typo.

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