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Cool. I only have 2 flyer vehicles and lot of nids flying monster creature... I think this game is only for flyer vehicles.



 
   
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I wonder if they would consider doing an expansion that adds things like flying creatures and certain skimmers? On the latter, I seem to remember that the Tau skimmers (hammerhead, devilfish, skyray) are actually able to fly about the lower atmosphere for combat drops and the like. I could also see Eldar jetbikes, Tau pirahna, SM Land Speeders and possibly even jump troops (like we see the Rokkit Boyz assault on Valkeries in Space Marine) being part of an air combat - not to mention demons, discs of Tzeenech, Flyrants and the like.

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Are they still going to do the epic scale air combat game we heard rumors about, or is this what those rumors were really about?


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It has all the rules needed to play, and all the current data sheets. You need to poke around the app to find the rules, listed under a rules tab. If you already have the flyers and want to try the game out it is good enough.


Technically it's missing something covering ground attack; ground attack missions have targets having a 'robustness' - a stat not mentioned in the rules - and abilities of weapons referring to ground attack imply that there's a chapter not copied over.

At the same time, it's perfectly serviceable for a dogfight.


Cool. I only have 2 flyer vehicles and lot of nids flying monster creature... I think this game is only for flyer vehicles.

Technically there are only stats for vehicles, but there is absolutely no reason you couldn't use a Winged Hive Tyrant with Devourers as a Heldrake with Hades Autocannon (indeed that's what we did!); the same essential stats 'feel correct' - lower maximum speed, safer tight turns at low speed, a wide arc of fire, lots of medium power shots, and the ability to do 'slash damage' at someone as you overfly them.

The Hive Crone works well, similarly, as a baleflamer heldrake.

We had a few games last night. It works well, but you really, really want a print-out of the datasheets in front of you - trying to run a game using only the app takes too much flicking back and forwards.

I wonder if they would consider doing an expansion that adds things like flying creatures and certain skimmers?

As noted, it would take little effort to produce 'official' rules for tyranid flying monstrous creatures. I would, in practice, only expect the Harpy and Hive Crone - the base size is a big deal (movement is done in 'base lengths') so the Hive Tyrant is at an artificial disadvantage, plus it looks a bit weird in amongst everything else on a flyer base.

Speeders and other skimmers do 'combat drop' themselves, but they're really not capable of 'dogfighting' in the same way - I'd be surprised to see them.




The games were good; we had one heldrake vs heldrake and one heldrake vs dakkajet. The two fighters do feel very different - the dakkajet wants to be going fast and making quick, straight-line attack runs then breaking off to turn around at a safe distance - it's ability to overfly someone with an extended strafing run is satisfying and cool, whilst the heldrake wants a slow turning fight where its wider arc of fire and the ability to grab someone with its talons comes into play.

Are they still going to do the epic scale air combat game we heard rumors about, or is this what those rumors were really about?

Given how badly (sales-wise) aeronautica imperialis performed, I'd be surprised if they want to bring it back. This is a pretty good substitute, though - especially if Forgeworld have the sense to do Stormcloud Attack datasheets for all the (many) flyers they make themselves - ideally including the super-heavies!


You guys seem to be forgetting that Dark Eldar have two flyers that could theoretically be used as an Opfor in the theoretical Tyranid boxed set.

Indeed. The Devourer and the Dark Kin would be (narratively, at least) a perfectly understandable one - there are several cases in the background of the Dark Eldar joining in attacks on the Hive Fleets - in fact the climactic bit of Warzone Valedor was a Razorwing flight weaving in and out of capillary towers to cut the hive ships off from the planet's digestion pools. Equally, I seem to recall the Haemonculus covens 'pocket universe-ing' a planet being consumed to provide them with specimens.

Plus the Razorwing is a seriously pretty kit.

Alternatively, you could pair up a Valkyrie with it. That's statted up too.

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Ground targets are under Missions.
   
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The games come with 80 page rulebooks according to the webshop. Only the Faith&Heresy game is available with a translated manual though so it seems they are all the same. The additional fluff book for 26 EUR also has 80 pages. Sounds like those will have at least similiar content. I thought the boxes werent that interesting but if they come with some of that fluff books' content it sounds okay. There are campaign rules, too. A lot more than what was in the Renegade manual it seems.

Also the state of the GBP makes the games cost less than 56 EUR if bought with a discount from british online stores and paying with a credit card in GBP instead of Paypal. Nearly 33% off already and still diving. Start collecting boxes are currently at 48 EUR with free shipping. 2008's pricing is back.

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Must be me. Looks lovely and great to see them producing such a game, but I just see another release from GW that will involve spending a ton of money. They could of done this on a smaller scale, giving you more models.

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Ground targets are under Missions.

Where?

It's not in the rules tab that I can see.

In the missions tab, missions where there is a ground target say 'mission special rules: Ground attack', but the rules say (taking the example of Duel: The Raid) that "the target has a robustness of 7 and a damage capacity of 2" - well since robustness is not the same as toughness, and many results on the damage table (including results like 'break left') don't make sense for a static structure

The Burna Bomma says "if the ground attack roll is a double...." - I can't find the actual rules for the ground attack roll anywhere. If I'm missing it, I apologise!


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Just to note: The Stormcloud Attack app has just been updated.

~ Ground Attack rules are now added
~ Scenario Tables added (although it's a D6 table to choose from the 6 missions so we'd kind of figured that out!)
~ Rules for terrain if flying low level missions added
~ Pilot skills corrected so the Ravenwing fighters point at Dark Angels skills, not Blood Angels.

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locarno24 wrote:
Just to note: The Stormcloud Attack app has just been updated.

~ Ground Attack rules are now added
~ Scenario Tables added (although it's a D6 table to choose from the 6 missions so we'd kind of figured that out!)
~ Rules for terrain if flying low level missions added
~ Pilot skills corrected so the Ravenwing fighters point at Dark Angels skills, not Blood Angels.

Good stuff, thanks for posting. Like with BaC and ST we will probably get a PDF faq in the not so distant future
   
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In case it has not been mentioned, the datasheets are on the GW site now, in each of the flier models pages.
It was mentioned in a front-page headline banner thingy, taking you to the list of flier models and the games sets.

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I decided to get the app, partially because I'm curious, partially seeing as Royal Mail usually takes quite some time to reach me.

I did notice that the Vendetta is also in the app as an option for the Imperial Guard / Navy.



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For those who already played it, how is the balancing between all aircraft? I own a Stormfang and a Crimson Hunter... Is it viable?
   
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I guess only through playing one will truly find out.

However, from what I've glanced from the rules, some are fragile speedsters while others are more akin to lumbering bricks that hit hard, but need time to realign for another run.



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 CptJake wrote:
Are they still going to do the epic scale air combat game we heard rumors about, or is this what those rumors were really about?

I hope we see an epic scale air combat game, I really doubt it though. I find 28mm scale air combat games entirely unappealing, but Aeronautica Imperialis, the 6mm game, was a really good game that suffered from having no decent advertising and poor availability.
   
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What I hope FW do with the new 8mm epic is split it into 3 games with compatible rules. Adeptus Titanicus for the titans and knights, Space marine for mass infantry and tanks, with Aeronautica Imperialis for the flyers.
   
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Having read through the rules in the app for a bit I can't wait until Tuesday now to give it a go, as it looks like dogfighting and aerial duels with 28mm scale aircraft may actually work, without the usual worries or constraints found within a regular game of 40k.



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Sorry for the slight necro, but owners of the app will now also have access to the Corvus Blackstar rules, though I'm sure the pdf will pop up next Saturday when the Corvus goes up for pre-order.



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