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 Jollydevil wrote:

Ive always thought the obliterators looked awful. The posessed marines ive always thought look terrible too, but that might just be me.

You're not the only one.

Comparing older sculpts of (GW) CSM minis to the newer ones (while taking into account the limited possibilities at their time) makes clear how much more effort went into many of the older ones (both concept, consistency with the range as well as look as-is) and how much effort is often wasted for oversculpting these days (Mutilators, X-Fiends, Helbrute, Heldrake). It just screams "Look what kind of wild stuff we can do nowadays! Only 1,5% of the areas are flat and straight" and does not aim for iconic, realistic or cool poses anymore.
A similar trend can be seen with the artwork imho. It just rarely leaves a lasting impression.

Not a fan of the new CSM "tunnel of horror" range. No, seriously; that's how they look like. Just so blatantly in-your-face-evil, it's laughable.
I prefer more subtle evil marines.

I am gonna use the new raptor models as my possessed, however.

My asthesic tastes are less is best, so over the top models bug me senseless. Centurions though, those guys just make my blood boil, foul creatures. Thankfully they haven't really appeared in BL literature.

When I saw the thread title I thought, how strange, I don't think there are any models that really rub me up th- OH WAIT YEAH, that's right! There are. There really, really are...

I'm a huge fan of the superb metal space marine scouts. They look awesome.



But these... these abominations! Look at the faces! I loathe these models and just cannot buy them. Those faces...

I have a feeling they'd really benefit from new heads.. possibly from Anvil.. they've done a bunch of "Regiments" heads, which are suited for Guard and the like.. I think some options would give the Scouts a bit more life.

I do love the old metal scouts.

Is it just that box of plastic scouts with the derptastic heads? I don’t recall the ones from the snipers, scout bikes, or the back of the LSS being that bad.

Oh I'm with you on the plastic standard scouts being derptastic.. I was simply commenting that possibly some of Anvil's heads might get rid of that piece of poor sculpting.

Any head swap improves those models 200%. I, like a lot of people, used Pig Iron ones on mine, but I;ve seen others use Storm Trooper ones to great effect

Logan Claus.

The Wulfen.

Thunderwolf Cavalry.

The Beastmen monsters.

There are others, too. But those are the worst offenders in my opinion.

Oooohhhh the scouts I forgot about those things. Biggest flaw with scouts are they should be so good. They are core units to the game and the fluff, they should be one of the best.

 Gogsnik wrote:
But these... these abominations! Look at the faces! I loathe these models and just cannot buy them. Those faces...

Wow, I never noticed how constipated they looked before... that is some kind of special.

Those scouts look like angry Buzz Lightyears. I love it!

Yikes. I assume, like most plastics that the heads are separate though so that' easy enough to fix. They are comically silly though.

Funny, I kept picking up metal scouts "for no particular reason", I think I had been kidding myself. They ARE better.

Anyone tried making scouts with mk VI helmets? does that work?

nareik wrote:
Anyone tried making scouts with mk VI helmets? does that work?

I'm sure size ratio would work, but scouts with SM helmets? Maybe Astra Militarum helmets would be a better fit aesthetically, but something about scouts donning SM helmets would appear a bit off to me, but my personal opinions aside, I believe the ratio would work out fine.

GW has quite a variety of un-helmeted head bitz these days. If you have a serious problem with compulsively buying GW kits like I do, you'll be knee-deep in head bitz in no time. Otherwise, there's a variety of bitz stores out there, although prices are as you may imagine fairly steep.

Scouts with beakies look great. Also, beret scion heads look awesome.

 Gogsnik wrote:
When I saw the thread title I thought, how strange, I don't think there are any models that really rub me up th- OH WAIT YEAH, that's right! There are. There really, really are...

I'm a huge fan of the superb metal space marine scouts. They look awesome.

Spoiler:

But these... these abominations! Look at the faces! I loathe these models and just cannot buy them. Those faces...

Spoiler:

That's why they get helmeted heads. Well, that and nearly everything in my armies get helmeted heads.

Space marines. They look like blocky legomen, and of course everyone plays them.

 Talizvar wrote:


I play these guys but I see such good "fixes" for this model: I present to you the original baby carrier:

Uh, no, sorry - this is the *original* "baby carrier", from 2E...the original Eldar War Walker.

 Stormonu wrote:

Uh, no, sorry - this is the *original* "baby carrier", from 2E...the original Eldar War Walker.

That was back in the day when various armies weaponized lawnchairs. Eg. the old SM land speeder.

Sigmarines all them look like tramatized sex dolls.

Yeh, the head swap's easy enough to do, just a pain that it has to be done! I used Catachan and Cadian heads on my Landspeeder Storm crew.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

Uh, no, sorry - this is the *original* "baby carrier", from 2E...the original Eldar War Walker.

That was back in the day when various armies weaponized lawnchairs. Eg. the old SM land speeder.

But you were to imagine that heavy duty force-field for the elder walker and as for the space marines: what are you going to put in front of them in a light vehicle that is any better than their armor?
See, it all works.

All the models I can't afford right now! That kinda rubs me up the wrong way.

This thread proves there's no accounting for taste... I think the Knights and Wraithknight are amazing as well as a few of the other things mentioned here.

Here's mine.

-Almost the entire CSM line. I thought the Dark Vengeance models were outstanding though, and I hope whoever did that gets to revamp the whole list.

-Space Marine Bikes and Centurions. Stupid bulky. Just stupid. When the bikes came out, it just seemed like the thought was "well we can't let Eldar have something SM's don't have..." How are you sposed to hit anything with those bolters, I mean, c'mon.

-Space Marine Terminators. Those legs...

-Grey Knights. The Orig Oop GK termies were great, but pretty much the entire line they've replaced them with is trash.

-The new Deatwatch Torsos. Why are they all carrying ammo around for a weapon that doesn't seem to exist?

-Eldar flyers. Look too much like modern fighter jets. Don't really fit the rest of the line.

-Techmarines and Thunderfire Cannons. Look Stupid and don't fit the line. 30k maybe, but not 40k.

-Grimaldus. Somebody sell me the guy carrying the giant Aquilla tho. I want him for an objective marker.

-Catachans. I kind of want a squad that I can greenstuff to have the Rambo hair tho that I can put next to my Arbites painted like Judge Dredd. Then maybe I can do up one of these half naked Khorne guys from AoS eith 2 power Fists and a Blood Angel head and I can paint him like Rocky Belboa...

 Weboflies wrote:
This thread proves there's no accounting for taste... I think the Knights and Wraithknight are amazing as well as a few of the other things mentioned here.

Ha, as you as well prove... I may not agree with some things below but at least you explain the viewpoint.

Here's mine.
-Almost the entire CSM line. I thought the Dark Vengeance models were outstanding though, and I hope whoever did that gets to revamp the whole list.

I agree that they are pretty much normal space marines with a little trim put on them. I would say that there are enough blank spaces where some nice painting can be done. The Dark Vengeance models are INCREDIBLY busy so less free-hand is available but an insane paint by numbers extravaganza.

-Space Marine Bikes and Centurions. Stupid bulky. Just stupid. When the bikes came out, it just seemed like the thought was "well we can't let Eldar have something SM's don't have..." How are you sposed to hit anything with those bolters, I mean, c'mon.

I agree the Centurions looked like they waddle, I took out the middle plate and did a couple things and they look pretty good.Well, complaining about the bolters in particular for shooting stuff you would have to hate many TV shows and movies that mount guns in those same spots.
They are beefy looking bikes are not far off from a Lawmaster.
BUT how heavy is a marine? It would have to be a beast to carry them.

-Space Marine Terminators. Those legs...

Always wondered where their feet are in all that.

-Grey Knights. The Orig Oop GK termies were great, but pretty much the entire line they've replaced them with is trash.

Are you talking about the original tiny terminators or the newer released metal GKs? They seemed like a nice mid-size between the old 1" base guys and our new plastic guys.

-The new Deatwatch Torsos. Why are they all carrying ammo around for a weapon that doesn't seem to exist?

Supposedly they can insert at any given point into the bolter the special ammo as needed.
I suppose that is what those fancy little tabs at the side are for.
They are not as good as Judge Dredd Lawgivers that can handle all that.

-Eldar flyers. Look too much like modern fighter jets. Don't really fit the rest of the line.

No argument there.
Missed opportunity to make something really pretty and strange.

-Techmarines and Thunderfire Cannons. Look Stupid and don't fit the line. 30k maybe, but not 40k.

I think they were looking to have a big gun that looked like it could fit in a drop pod.
Otherwise it would not fit in their style of "shock and awe" at all as you say.

-Grimaldus. Somebody sell me the guy carrying the giant Aquilla tho. I want him for an objective marker.

He is a bit weird but BT players like myself cannot be too choosy.
You cannot have the Aquilla guy, I agree he is awesome, Maybe you can have the thurible guy where he can smoke and flail.

-Catachans. I kind of want a squad that I can greenstuff to have the Rambo hair tho that I can put next to my Arbites painted like Judge Dredd. Then maybe I can do up one of these half naked Khorne guys from AoS eith 2 power Fists and a Blood Angel head and I can paint him like Rocky Belboa...

It may look like the cast for Street Fighter.

Every Space Marine model. They look like kids dressed in armor.

It's not just new miniatures that can be terrible...



For anyone unfamiliar with old lines - that's Nagash - the big-bad of the undead line way back in... second edition? He's on a 40mm monster base, not a troop base. His head is the size of a squig.

Wow. They really hyper powered Nagash for this edition

lliu wrote:
Wow. They really hyper powered Nagash for this edition

I really want to play my old Undead in a game of AoS, just so I can plop that guy down and see the look on my opponent’s face.