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**Pssst** Take a Sorcerer in Terminator Armour with the Warptime power. Teleport in 9" from the Commissar. Cast Warptime for a bonus 5" move. Cast another power of your choice for lols (your choice of doing Mortal Wounds or casting Prescience to hit things better). Fire your combi-bolter at something. Make a 4" Charge. Smack him in the face with your Force Axe for no save (unless Lord Commissar who has 5+ invul) and d3 damage on each wound. Praise Lorgar.

The point was Chaos can use teleporting Terminators, buffed by a Psychic Power, to single out enemy characters.

The Same characters that have two or three 50 man Conscript squads wrapped around them. How? you have to be 9" from the conscripts too. Not just 9" from one model. The Guard deploy into a corner, then wrap the entire army in 10" deep conscripts. Good Luck.

So now they're stuck in a corner? Go take control of the all the objectives. And since you don't get cover for intervening models anymore, you just shoot the things behind with your own guns.

So now they're stuck in a corner? Go take control of the all the objectives. And since you don't get cover for intervening models anymore, you just shoot the things behind with your own guns.

Excellent, you have chosen a gun duel with Guard. They win.

it's not the conscripts alone.
If 300 conscripts + 6 commissar cost 1080 pts...even at 1500 pts you are looking at 3 more company commanders and 4 HWT with lascannons and 2 HWT with mortars. That is an unholy amunt of bodies and dakka. At 2000 you add another 5 HWT with lascannons and scout sentinels to deny even more deepstrike zones. We are talking about 300+bodies on the ground and 27 lascannons...plus orders.
Conscripts alone does not win game. they force you to use an inordinate amont of firepower to kill them all while heavy weapns kill you turn after turn. Also, conscript does not hide in a corner: they rush you and force you to react. 3 pts a body is just too low a price for what they can do. The guard is squishy, but they are too many and can bring too many guns
Edit: as stated before, if the only way to kill 600 pts of units is to employ 1200+ pts of countermeasures...you autolose.

Protip, if you are fighting a gun battle against an IG player using HWTs, shoot the HWTs with literally anything, and they will die. They are amazing points efficient on offense (and should probably have the base points bumped up, to be fair), but they fold like a house of cards, have no protection from shooting except line of sight, which only mortars ignore, so they have to be in LoS to hurt you.

Admittedly this is easier for some armies to do than others, but if you can shoot them, they die, and if they can shoot you, you can shoot them (except mortars. Mortars are good).

Scarier stuff to look out for are Manticores and other guard things that still shoot a ton, but don't insta-die to return fire.

Agreed. The only Heavy Weapons Teams I would deploy outside of a Superheavy or Bunker would be Mortars and Heavy Bolters. Simply because they are so cheap. Others are just going to die. As guard you are not going first very often.

true enough. instead of HWT, take manticores and basilisks. still scary as hell
my point was that conscripts cost a dime a dozen and still have a gret fire support. if you try to fight them, you are not fighting the rest.

Indeed. I suspect they will go up a point. Just to make up for their orders efficiency. I'm not sure if Guardsmen will or not. You have to invest a lot more to give orders to 5 guard squads. Ether way I see myself purchasing more bodies. Although probably not from GW.

 Neferhet wrote:
4 HWT with lascannons and 2 HWT with mortars. That is an unholy amunt of bodies and dakka. At 2000 you add another 5 HWT with lascannons

HWT? I don't think that word means what you think it means... HWT (Heavy Weapon Team) = single base w/one heavy weapon. HWS (Heavy Weapon SQUAD) = three bases, each with a heavy weapon for a total of three heavy weapons in the squad.

 don_mondo wrote:

 Neferhet wrote:
4 HWT with lascannons and 2 HWT with mortars. That is an unholy amunt of bodies and dakka. At 2000 you add another 5 HWT with lascannons

HWT? I don't think that word means what you think it means... HWT (Heavy Weapon Team) = single base w/one heavy weapon. HWS (Heavy Weapon SQUAD) = three bases, each with a heavy weapon for a total of three heavy weapons in the squad.

yes absolutely.

sooooo Elysians!!!

Having faced 2 IG armies now, I can confirm they put out a lot of Dakka. They seem suited to take down armies that are right in the middle concerning numbers/toughness which conveniently happens to be space marines. Since space marines make up likely half or more of armies you face, they are pretty good.

I'd love to see a fight between 2 horded up IG armies, if anyone has enough dice to make that happen.

Might need to digitize, as there might not be enough dice in the whole store/club

 SuspiciousSucculent wrote:
Might need to digitize, as there might not be enough dice in the whole store/club

There's enough dice all right, but who wants to count it all out?