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I'm sad we haven't encounter any old classical Communist yet

 Galas wrote:
I'm sad we haven't encounter any old classical Communist yet

Boris Vilchevsky, reporting!

I don't think classical Commies still exist. Or they're sleeper agents...

 Future War Cultist wrote:
It turns out I'm a Centerist. I'm quite surprised by that.

You're not alone, we're all surprised by that too!


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 thekingofkings wrote:
Just the word liberal makes me sick to the stomach.

If only US politics wasn't verbotten this is a wonderful arc of discussion. Suffice to say that the USA is a beacon that many other countries could follow (individual rights and freedoms, power of the people over government, a functioning judiciary ostensibly free of corruption - all Liberal ideals).
And the First Amendment is one of the crowning glories of all Liberalism - I truly am envious of the US for this.

Neo-Liberalism is slightly different, but that shouldn't dissuade you from embracing your inner liberal.

So, according to 8values I'm social nationalist.
It reminds me of some historical party, but I can't remember exactly what..

 godardc wrote:
So, according to 8values I'm social nationalist.
It reminds me of some historical party, but I can't remember exactly what..

You're thinking of the old "Zina" party, that were briefly a big thing in the 1930's. Snappy dressers.

 godardc wrote:
So, according to 8values I'm social nationalist.
It reminds me of some historical party, but I can't remember exactly what..

hint: it's Cuba

 thekingofkings wrote:
Just the word liberal makes me sick to the stomach.

Yeah, me too.
I don't understand liberals. Don't they love their country, their family ? Aren't they happy of being born in such great countries as the Western Countries ?
Why are they so hateful ( especially of all things from the West .) ?

 godardc wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
Just the word liberal makes me sick to the stomach.

Yeah, me too.
I don't understand liberals. Don't they love their country, their family ? Aren't they happy of being born in such great countries as the Western Countries ?
Why are they so hateful ( especially of all things from the West .) ?

I'd advise all my fellow Dakkanaughts to stay well away from this obvious troll post. This thread is the closest thing to a political discussion we've been allowed to have in here in weeks, and it's nice to have grown-up things.

So, I've taken the test on a couple of days, and tend too range between Social Liberal and Centrist. This variation is probably because there are a lot of questions which can be interpreted multiple ways, and tend to run into issues with relativist positions. I think that this test is more about our philosophical political positions than where we would actually sit, since it doesn't ask anything specific. It would be interesting to see a test with a similar approach that asks actual political questions.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I don't think classical Commies still exist. Or they're sleeper agents...

Thats what they want you to believe. Just see what happen in Fallout!

 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:
So, I've taken the test on a couple of days, and tend too range between Social Liberal and Centrist. This variation is probably because there are a lot of questions which can be interpreted multiple ways, and tend to run into issues with relativist positions. I think that this test is more about our philosophical political positions than where we would actually sit, since it doesn't ask anything specific. It would be interesting to see a test with a similar approach that asks actual political questions.

I always take these sorts of tests with the assumption that it is, 1) referring to my country specifically, and not countries in general (UK) and, 2) that where it is being non-specific it is not to be taken in its literal or extreme forms.

One example being the case of regional unions. It asks whether they are a good thing, and my response is no, but because the one example I'm familiar has an ideological and autocratic nature with complete disregard for national sovereignty and has little accountability when representatives damage the interests of countries that are not their own. If such problems were eradicated, regional co-operation is something I would support.

Classical liberal. I fall on the left on most issues, with the exceptions that I believe in free speech, I don't like identity politics, and I'm against abortion except for rape and to protect the life of the mother.


I guess that makes me center left.

 jasper76 wrote:
Classical liberal. I fall on the left on most issues, with the exceptions that I believe in free speech, I don't like identity politics, and I'm against abortion except for rape and to protect the life of the mother.


I guess that makes me center left.

Very similar to me. I am a bit more loose on the topic of abortion, but I do readily agree there are better methods of birth control than waiting until something starts growing inside you and then killing it. Best to avoid the whole situation if possible.

In the UK, at least, we have clinics that hand out condoms and morning-after pills like they're smarties. At some point, culturally, we came to the conclusion that there was no way in hell we'd be able to stop teens from having sex, so we just gave in and provided free anonymous advice and protection.

Well put. That's also my attitude to drugs. You can't stop people taking them, so let them be. And tax the gak out of them. Well ok, the harder drugs are more complicated but weed is ok. I don't touch the stuff but it's everywhere anyway so why bother.

 Henry wrote:

 Future War Cultist wrote:
It turns out I'm a Centerist. I'm quite surprised by that.

You're not alone, we're all surprised by that too! .

I was also surprised by this. Similarly, anyone else surprised at how many times they clicked on neutral/unsure? Possibly because of the lack of a "agree slightly" and "disagree slightly" choices I found quite a fair number of statements that I was unwilling to Agree/Disagree with and a fair number that I was neutral on.

I wonder if this kind of exercise could actually bring people closer together. Almost everyone (especially those in the same country or region) would probably be able to find at least one or two (or more) axis on which they are close. That could well be the common ground that allows them to start a conversation from a place of agreement and respect rather than stigmatization.

I someitmes (well lots of times if I'm honest) feel like I have little in common with those on the right wing and something like this could be great for finding commonalities.

 Eilif wrote:
Similarly, anyone else surprised at how many times they clicked on neutral/unsure?

I didn't click it once and look where that got me.

It's very American, this quiz, isn't it.

That 8values thing seemed pretty off to me. It pegged me as subscribing to social liberalism.

I'm not sure how that happens when you strongly disagree with the "violence is always an option", "open borders are good", and "my group is better than everyone else's" statements. Far as I can tell those are the core tenets of social liberalism.

How is "violence is always an option" or "my group is better than everyone else's" integral to social liberalism?

Loooooooootta trollposting in here. I've got a funny feeling we're not going to get to keep this topic all that much longer.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
How is "violence is always an option" or "my group is better than everyone else's" integral to social liberalism?

I'm not sure how to respond without risking talking about topics that authority figures within the context of this forum might find unacceptable.

Let us call my above comment off-handed snark at something or other, and dismiss it, to be safe.

Let's try to avoid that, so far we've had a nice high level discussion of general political alignment - let's keep it that way!

EDIT: Actually this isn't the thread to talk about this.

 daedalus wrote:
That 8values thing seemed pretty off to me. It pegged me as subscribing to social liberalism.

I'm not sure how that happens when you strongly disagree with the "violence is always an option", "open borders are good", and "my group is better than everyone else's" statements. Far as I can tell those are the core tenets of social liberalism.

I would put it down to 8values being a calculator, where each agree/disagree is weighted the same. It takes a quantitative, rather than qualitative, approach to political assessment.

 Selym wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
That 8values thing seemed pretty off to me. It pegged me as subscribing to social liberalism.

I'm not sure how that happens when you strongly disagree with the "violence is always an option", "open borders are good", and "my group is better than everyone else's" statements. Far as I can tell those are the core tenets of social liberalism.

I would put it down to 8values being a calculator, where each agree/disagree is weighted the same. It takes a quantitative, rather than qualitative, approach to political assessment.

You can't really get all that nuance of your political identity in 40ish questions. Probably more accurate to just look at your values and do some research on political alignments.

 daedalus wrote:
That 8values thing seemed pretty off to me. It pegged me as subscribing to social liberalism.

I'm not sure how that happens when you strongly disagree with the "violence is always an option", "open borders are good", and "my group is better than everyone else's" statements. Far as I can tell those are the core tenets of social liberalism.

False by all measures.

Social liberalism, at its core, is renamed libertarianism. Essentially, do what you will, as long as it doesn't harm others.

American liberals are anti-war. Conservatives are generally pro-war.

Yes, liberals are pro immigration reform. So what? Nations as a concept are going to be phased out, eventually, what reason do we have to have "illegals" exist? (Other than blatant racism, of course)

American liberals are, in general, pro-equality. Remember. To a privileged person, equality often feels like oppression.


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 Galas wrote:
I'm sad we haven't encounter any old classical Communist yet

By this, do you mean Marxist anarcho-communism, or Mao/Lenin/Stalinist authoritarian communism?

I picked Centrist and did the test and ended up as social liberal... Was close to the center on all categories except for the tradition/progress axis where I was 70% progress. Seemed pretty accurate to me.

I generally dislike people on the far right and people on far left with equal disdain.

Pretty much as expected.

Though my score might change if I had the opportunity to press "slightly disagree" and "slightly agree".

So... I took the 8values test as I would imagine an Imperial citizen from 40k would answer it...
TL;DR any reference to regional unions and the UN is to be seen as the Imperium, foreign countries are Xeno empires (Orks, Eldar, Necrons, Tau), and immigrants are Xenos, Mutants and Heretics (and some, I'm sure, are nice people).

It came out as...
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=47.0&d=17.6&g=22.3&s=32.7

Fascism. As I expected!