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 Peregrine wrote:
Yes. We need to go back to the pre-6th way of doing it. You have one FOC, taken from one codex, period. No allies, no mixing armies in a single detachment, you pick your faction and play that faction.

This please.

As an answer to the original question:

No.

I think the game has received a much greater depth after allowing allies. Sure, there have been missteps(Taudar, psychic powers working across factions), but overall it has allowed for much more interesting matchups and made for a much more expansive world.

People really have to stop looking at the past with some rose-colored glasses. Sure, 2nd edition was fun for its time(24" inch Shuriken Catapults were fun), but ultimately it isn't what it used to be.

Although to be fair at this point I really don't care if they nix the ally system personally. They have thankfully, and permanently, made all of Aeldari(with the exception of covens) a single force. Would be very entertaining playing the only faction that can work together while the Imperium is in shambles.

BrianDavion wrote:
no, no it shouldn't. chapter tactics are going to require pure detachments, and we're seeing everyone getting their ownm, taking the long view the fix is already coming.

Have we seen proof of this

My only real issue with the allies system is that it's so horribly unequal. As a base concept, it's a decent one, there are factions that should be able to work together. The problem comes when these ten factions can all work together, but this one has no one else it can work with.

 General Orange wrote:
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They also deserve some love and attention

Well aren't conscripts basically the pdf?

Oldmike wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
no, no it shouldn't. chapter tactics are going to require pure detachments, and we're seeing everyone getting their ownm, taking the long view the fix is already coming.

Have we seen proof of this

Codex Space Marines

Oldmike wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
no, no it shouldn't. chapter tactics are going to require pure detachments, and we're seeing everyone getting their ownm, taking the long view the fix is already coming.

Have we seen proof of this

Codex Space Marines leaks, and statements from the GW team themselves. Yes, it won't be immediate, but everyone will have their own tactics that require pure detachments.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:

Oldmike wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
no, no it shouldn't. chapter tactics are going to require pure detachments, and we're seeing everyone getting their ownm, taking the long view the fix is already coming.

Have we seen proof of this

Codex Space Marines leaks, and statements from the GW team themselves. Yes, it won't be immediate, but everyone will have their own tactics that require pure detachments.

Honestly, pure detachments isn't that much of a restriction. You can still cover all the weaknesses of one force by adding a detachment of another. And that's the issue. Every individual force has it's weaknesses, but the Imperium, and to a much lesser extent Chaos and Eldar have the ability to take forces from another army to cover that.

The problem is not that you can put Grey Knights and Guardsmen in the same army, it's that you can use Imperial soup to cover the low model count issue of Grey Knights with a blob of conscripts and a commisar. Sure, that commisar won't effect the Paladin squad, but it doesn't have to. It's doing it's job by keeping the conscripts around. It's like if they allowed Tau and Khorne to team up. The two have nothing in common, and that's the strength of it. People would take the best close combat units from Khorne and the best shooting from Tau, and leave behind anything in the middle.