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 Arachnofiend wrote:
I'm not sure if I read this somewhere and it's actual canon or if I came up with it, but I like to think Sorcerers who participated in the Rubric of Ahriman can replicate it to a small degree and dust the marines of other legions/chapters in order to expand the numbers of the Thousand Sons.


They can totally do that. Both rogue Thousand Son's sorcerers and Chaos Sorcerers of the Black Legion know how to made smaller versionf of the Ahriman's Rubric to create more Rubric Marines, for the Thousand Sons warbands, for the Black Legion, or to "sell" them to Chaos Lord's as bodyguards, etc...

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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I've got a whole lot of headcanons to help explain some things that I believe don't make sense. I got a bunch of these ideas off Dakka but I don't remember who posted them.


WH40k Fluff Explanations:
Emotionless Emperor - The Emperor did see the Primarchs as his tools and showed no emotion for them, only taking actions that would further the unification of humanity (I.e. Keeping the nails in Angron which made him a better warrior), but his flaw was he began to show emotion towards Horus and actually began favouring him as a son. As that flaw caused the downfall of both himself and his Imperium (not being able to land the killing blow) he has since doubled down on his emotionless stance, as seen in his meeting with Gulliman in "Dark Imperium".

Space Wolf Geneseed - The geneseed works by absorbing the DNA of its host when the progenoid glands grow. As the people of Fenris all have the Canis Helix the geneseed becomes adapted to that gene overtime, and cannot work without it. This is why, after the Crusade, the wolves could not recruit from outside Fenris. The Primaris Space Wolves work because, using Crusade era geneseed, it is not adapted with this limitation.

Ork Meks - Ork fluff has recently been rather contradictory, some sources stating that Ork tech works only because they think it does, while others state that makes are genuinely innately competent when it comes to technology. I believe that Ork technology works on a mixture of the Orks believing it through their WAAAGH!!! energy and a Mek's innate knowledge. The Orks were originally created by the Old Ones as the Kroak, designed as a tool to fight the Necrons and their C'tan masters as the perfect warrior race. They utilised the warp indirectly to battle the Necrons (as this was their greatest weakness, and as such was used extensively by the old ones), using the warp to augment the Kroak's own weapons and abilities. The Mek caste was not only designed to create vehicles and weapons, but ones that made greatest and most efficient use of this WAAAGH!!! energy. The Necrons were the masters of the material realm, their weapons unsurpassable by mundane means, and so the Old Ones attempted to use the Warp to one up them instead through augmentation by this WAAAGH!!! energy. As the Kroak eventually devolved into the Orks, the Mek caste retained this sub-conscious knowledge. The Meks know subconsciously how to make vehicles and contraptions that will best use this WAAAGH!!! energy. They subconsciously know how to make vehicles and weapons that the Orks think will work, and as such will work due to the reality bending effects of their subconscious psychic powers.

Why Were the C'tan Sharded, Not Destroyed? - C'tan are intrinsically tied to the material realm, and as such the destruction of a C'tan has drastic and violent ripple effects on the rest of the galaxy, which is why they must either be sharded or absorbed (where the C'tan's being is in effect diffused or concentrated, not destroyed). Many Imperial scholars note that the galaxy is unusually violent, more so than it has any right to be, and this can be seen as a ripple effect on the destruction of the Flayer C'tan millions of years ago.


How do the Tyranids locate planets without Vanguard Organisms?
- The Tyranids are capable of homing in on the collective warp signature of all inhabitants on a planet, which is how they determine where to travel. This also explains how they avoid Tomb Worlds (lack of warp signature) and how Kronos can specifically locate and attack Warp/Daemon possessed planets (by following the stronger, more evident signatures). Due to general Warp ****ery, however, this is not always accurate, and can lead a Hive Fleet to worthless Daemon/Dead worlds. Genestealer cults would serve the following purposes:
* Stronger, more unique signature ensures this is a viable world for the Hive Mind and not something like a Daemon World.
* Larger cults result in larger signatures, and imply larger populations.
* Cult uprisings weaken the defenses of the world and make it easier to overwhelm.

How can the Tyranids be defeated on the ground?
- While it is true that the Tyranids can recycle their own and their enemy's dead into new warriors this biomass does not just magically reappear in the bioships. It requires feeder organisms to consume the fallen biomass (requiring territorial gains where the defenders are pushed back so the Rippers can come in to eat the fallen bodies) and Feeder Tendrils to transport this biomass to the Hive Ships (requiring enough of a hold on the planet for this to be established). If either of these are not established by the Tyranids they are unable to recycle their biomass, and as such any organisms lost on the planet represents biomass lost, and through this the Tyranids can eventually be starved and attritioned out (not to mention the energy lost over time by the bioships in orbit. While biomass lost to respiration can be recovered on the planet, they can not be recovered from the bioships in space. This is why the Tyranids do not actually lose anything from a planet getting Exterminatused, as matter is not destroyed, only changed, and forces the Tyranids to essentially terraform a planet from scratch

Why did Kryptman's Cordone work?
- By exterminating planets the Tyranids were unable to find out what were and what weren't viable prey worlds (because non-sentient carbon doesn't give off warp signatures) and as such were forced to travel much further to find viable worlds to consume, slowing them both directly (making the Tyranids have to travel farther with their slow FTL) and indirectly (Tyranids having to hibernate, and as such having to go much slower, for longer due to not being able to eat).

Why do the Tyranids not hide in the rim and consume poorly defended alien worlds to build up biomass before attacking?
Due to the way the Imperium/the factions of 40k are spread out, and due to the way Tyranids locate planets (see above) they are not able to determine what are poorly defended, isolated fringe worlds and what are Imperial worlds. This also explains why they don't just go and find asteroids/planets made of Carbon, Nitrogen ect, because they're unable to locate and find appropriate worlds, and simply going on random searches would quickly starve out the Tyranid Hive Fleets.

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The Emperor fully expected a Heresy, and had engineered events so that certain sons would fall (hence the treatment he gave his sons such as what he did with Lorgar, Mortarion, Angron, and Perturabo).

He was hoping to use them to draw as much of the Chaos God's power into the Materium as possible, and then stomp those 4 with the remaining 14, thereby breaking their power forever.

When 9 fell instead (including Horus) it completely destroyed his plans.
   
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I don't often make up much canon in my head, but I enjoy thinking up cool cinematic moments which could happen in the 40K universe. It's partly what inspires me to keep gaming in 40K (the game is sub-par, the models are expensive...but the universe is still very appealing).
   
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I like to think specific alpha legionaires, and alpharius and omegon can shapeshift to a degree, or at least do it almost like corax, but instead of invisibilty it's a perfect disguise however thousand sons also have a nearly as good set of infiltration specialists and recon gatherers due to telepathy and biomancy face changers, in fact alpha legion psykers who use biomancy, probably know how to change someones face, to like the mirror image of someone else.

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1650 points approx. of deathwatch
2500 points aprox. of alpha legion and thousand sons
50 power admech
60 power salamanders
70 power thousand sons


 
   
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At the beginning of the Horus Heresy, Sanguinius made one last attempt to bring Horus to his senses by establishing psychic contact with him and desperately urging him to abandon his treacherous ways. His efforts failed though when Horus spontaneously broke into song:

Spoiler:

S: "Brother, I beg of you. Stop this madness and return to our father's side. Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit lonely and Father is never coming around"

S: "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit tired of listening to the sound of my tears"

S: "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit nervous that the best of our Crusade has gone by"

S: "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit terrified when I see the look in Father's eyes"

S: "Turn around, brother!"

H: "Every now and then I fall apart"

S: "Turn around, brother!"

H: "Every now and then I fall apart"

S "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit restless and I dream of something wild"

S: "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit helpless and I'm lying like a child in my stasis chamber"

S: "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit angry and I know I've got to get out and cry"

S: "Turn around!"

H: "Every now and then I get a little bit terrified when I see the look in Father's eyes"

S: "Turn around, brother!"

H: "Every now and then I fall apart"

S: "Turn around, brother!"

H: "Every now and then I fall apart,

and I need Chaos tonight,
and I need it more than ever,
and if He had only hold me tight,
we would have been holding on forever,
and we would have only been making it right,
cause we would have never been wrong,
with Chaos I can make it to the end of the line,
the Dark Gods are like a shadow on me all the time,
I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark,
we're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks,
I really need Chaos tonight,
the galaxy will burn tonight,
the galaxy will burn tonight,

once upon a time I was falling in line,
now I'm only falling apart,
nothing I can do,
total heresy in my heart,
once upon a time there was loyalty in my life,
now I am a slave to the Dark,
nothing I can say,
total heresy in my heart..."

S: "...Emperor, forgive me. We have lost Horus."







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MalfunctBot wrote:
I've got a whole lot of headcanons to help explain some things that I believe don't make sense. I got a bunch of these ideas off Dakka but I don't remember who posted them.


WH40k Fluff Explanations:
Emotionless Emperor - The Emperor did see the Primarchs as his tools and showed no emotion for them, only taking actions that would further the unification of humanity (I.e. Keeping the nails in Angron which made him a better warrior), but his flaw was he began to show emotion towards Horus and actually began favouring him as a son. As that flaw caused the downfall of both himself and his Imperium (not being able to land the killing blow) he has since doubled down on his emotionless stance, as seen in his meeting with Gulliman in "Dark Imperium".

My only objection to this is Angron is a really terrible soldier, and keeping him this way was bad for the Crusade, the chapter, the planets he 'liberated' and any sort of cause or purpose he's attached to.
An aggressive commander can be fine (and indeed, the Primarchs have several aggressive generals in their ranks). But Angron, and the chapter as a whole, loses track of everything. They can't make command decisions, deal with logistics, enemy troop movements or anything at all. They should have been wiped out several times over, even against inferior troops. When fighting other marines it should have been no contest at all.


Space Wolf Geneseed - The geneseed works by absorbing the DNA of its host when the progenoid glands grow. As the people of Fenris all have the Canis Helix the geneseed becomes adapted to that gene overtime, and cannot work without it. This is why, after the Crusade, the wolves could not recruit from outside Fenris. The Primaris Space Wolves work because, using Crusade era geneseed, it is not adapted with this limitation.

I'm... not actually sure this isn't the canon explanation. Granted I've not read a lot about the 'canis helix' silliness, but it seems pretty clear that Cawl was working with ancient stockpiles and stasis-bound warriors. The early marines of most chapters were largely Terrans, and even granted Russ was found fairly early on, he could have easily used early samples and stable geneseed.

After all, the glands that are used to make new marines are harvested from dead ones (or, I believe, living ones if they live long enough), so have a chance to pick up oddities over generations of growth, implantation, then harvesting new glands from each host in sequence.

Ork Meks - Ork fluff has recently been rather contradictory, some sources stating that Ork tech works only because they think it does, while others state that makes are genuinely innately competent when it comes to technology. I believe that Ork technology works on a mixture of the Orks believing it through their WAAAGH!!! energy and a Mek's innate knowledge
This one is definitely mostly canon. It is belief, but Meks are innately competent- the basic schematics and skills are encoded on their genes.

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been a long time since I've seen anyone reference Total Eclipse of the Heart
   
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Cypher is a psychic manifestation of the lion while his body is comatose in the rock.

It explains why he appears and disappears all over the galaxy, has the lions sword and that artifact pistol, and when hes leading the Dark Angles on a merry chase he often leads them into situations where their help would be needed most.


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That would also explain why [insert absolutely classy joke about the Lion enjoying being chased by men here], as well!

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 Melissia wrote:
That would also explain why [insert absolutely classy joke about the Lion enjoying being chased by men here], as well!

So you're saying Luther did stab him, just that it wasn't his sword.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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nobody wrote:
The Emperor fully expected a Heresy, and had engineered events so that certain sons would fall (hence the treatment he gave his sons such as what he did with Lorgar, Mortarion, Angron, and Perturabo).

He was hoping to use them to draw as much of the Chaos God's power into the Materium as possible, and then stomp those 4 with the remaining 14, thereby breaking their power forever.

When 9 fell instead (including Horus) it completely destroyed his plans.


How is Curze not on that list? The dude who has known every day of his life that the Emperor would kill him was *not* going to be loyal.

 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

"...Kunnin'."
 
   
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 EmpNortonII wrote:

How is Curze not on that list? The dude who has known every day of his life that the Emperor would kill him was *not* going to be loyal.

Arguably he was loyal for a while. Plus he was only killed because he turned Traitor and it's possible he could have seen that as a possibility.
   
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If he hadn't known he was going to be killed, he might not have fallen.
   
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Curze was never directly mistreated by the Emperor, the root of his trouble had more to do with the degradation of his home world (and that was more a case of severe mismanagement by the Imperial Administratum than a direct order by the Emperor).

There was also the betrayal of his trust when Fulgrim told Dorn what Curze had seen of the upcoming civil war and Dorn took it...badly.
   
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nobody wrote:
Curze was never directly mistreated by the Emperor, the root of his trouble had more to do with the degradation of his home world (and that was more a case of severe mismanagement by the Imperial Administratum than a direct order by the Emperor).

There was also the betrayal of his trust when Fulgrim told Dorn what Curze had seen of the upcoming civil war and Dorn took it...badly.


Dorn's a little bitch.... I still think if Dorn had gone traitor, Curze and Pert might have sided with the loyalists just for a chance to skin that fool alive.

 Jon Garrett wrote:
Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.

"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."

"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"

"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."

"...Kunnin'."
 
   
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 EmpNortonII wrote:
nobody wrote:
Curze was never directly mistreated by the Emperor, the root of his trouble had more to do with the degradation of his home world (and that was more a case of severe mismanagement by the Imperial Administratum than a direct order by the Emperor).

There was also the betrayal of his trust when Fulgrim told Dorn what Curze had seen of the upcoming civil war and Dorn took it...badly.


Dorn's a little bitch.... I still think if Dorn had gone traitor, Curze and Pert might have sided with the loyalists just for a chance to skin that fool alive.


When B&C started their alt-Heresy project and declared that Dorn took the place of Horus I had absolutely zero trouble believing it.
   
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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
The Emperor's origin story is myth, fable and fabrication. The whole 'watching over humanity since pre-history' is bunk. The Emperor never was a warp entity (note 'was').

Who the Emperor actually is is a particularly savvy regular human warlord from the tail end of the Age of Strife. Possibly gene-modified, but no more or less than anyone else at the time. Plotting amd scheming to take over earth and destroy his rivals just like any other despot.

Explains why he struggled to unify Terra. He's just a regular (if gifted) dude.

His ascention to godhood began when he (against all odds) unified Sol and the eldar finished their murder-orgy, paving the way for the Great Crusade. As each world fell to his armies, people began to deify him. Because of the way belief works in 40k, the larger the Imperium grew, the more and more he transitioned into a warp-entity.

Cue 10,000 years of feverish belief and the Emperor of Mankind is more warp-god than man. Utterly inhuman, and little more than an echo of the strife and troubles of his beleaguered species, fuelled by the false dogma and myth generated by generations upon generations of ignorant religious fanatics.


THIS IS AWESOME! YES! Not only was the "Emperor" gene modified and was the template for the future space marines, he was also a powerful psyker. It'd be a good idea for a sci-fi post apocalyptic TV show. The "emperor" takes over the masses. He defeats all of the techno-barbarians who dabbled in chaos, thru his own shear force of will, single mindedness and dedication - the "Emperor" united everyone under his rule, and he at least started off as a fair but powerful man, like Jesus.

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Cut out the sickness, then imprison the wardens. Sing the song blood red and true. Create their destruction.
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My personnal headcanon involves:

larger Chapters (the thousand Space Marines limit is for their combat units, it doesn't involve their reserves units, their recruits in training AKA scouts, their vehicle crew and their Space Ship crew).

A rare few female Space Marine here and there (more common amongst Chaos Space Marines due to their more ''liberal'' use of geneseed).

The High Lords dislike Space Marines (too independant) and the Sisterhood (keeps meddling in their affairs).

Taus can change of cast during their life, but it remains rather rare.

Orks sound dumb, but are actually pretty smart, much smarter than they are given credit for. They are also more political than imagined and solve a lot of their problems through talking and negociating, the fighting is more ceremonial or exceptionnal.

Tyranids are the greatest threat to the galaxy, but people are too blinded by Chaos to realise they are screwed if they don't unite against them.

Space Marines and historical Spartans share certain traits in common when it comes to sexuality

Guilliman is on a timer, his armor cannot sustain him for very long, but he is not aware of this yet. Cawls knew it from the beginning and keeps it as a bargaining chip.

Three xenos species of my design that I like to use in RPGs and short stories.

the Grotvolution is comming and is growing.

The Custodians, the Grey Knights and the Inquisition are working together very closely.

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 DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote:
 Ynneadwraith wrote:
The Emperor's origin story is myth, fable and fabrication. The whole 'watching over humanity since pre-history' is bunk. The Emperor never was a warp entity (note 'was').

Who the Emperor actually is is a particularly savvy regular human warlord from the tail end of the Age of Strife. Possibly gene-modified, but no more or less than anyone else at the time. Plotting amd scheming to take over earth and destroy his rivals just like any other despot.

Explains why he struggled to unify Terra. He's just a regular (if gifted) dude.

His ascention to godhood began when he (against all odds) unified Sol and the eldar finished their murder-orgy, paving the way for the Great Crusade. As each world fell to his armies, people began to deify him. Because of the way belief works in 40k, the larger the Imperium grew, the more and more he transitioned into a warp-entity.

Cue 10,000 years of feverish belief and the Emperor of Mankind is more warp-god than man. Utterly inhuman, and little more than an echo of the strife and troubles of his beleaguered species, fuelled by the false dogma and myth generated by generations upon generations of ignorant religious fanatics.


THIS IS AWESOME! YES! Not only was the "Emperor" gene modified and was the template for the future space marines, he was also a powerful psyker. It'd be a good idea for a sci-fi post apocalyptic TV show. The "emperor" takes over the masses. He defeats all of the techno-barbarians who dabbled in chaos, thru his own shear force of will, single mindedness and dedication - the "Emperor" united everyone under his rule, and he at least started off as a fair but powerful man, like Jesus.


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It also explains some discrepancies with why he struggled to unify Terra (little more than a backwater world infested with Technobarbarians at the time), yet was quite happily rolling over worlds almost single-handedly later in the crusade. His power grew as a function of the people who believed in him, beginning as a regular dude and ending up as a powerful warp entity

Starts off as Ghengis Khan, ends up as Cthulhu

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One of my army themes for years was the Death Guard and Night Lords alliance. I always had figured that since both Morty and Konrad had no real friends in the HH, they mutually respected eachother, listened to Black Metal music albums, and enjoyed eachothers doom and gloom theatrics on the battlefield. Their legions would work together during the Heresy, hammers and anvils, Lightning raids with merciless infantry advances.
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Afterwards, a few Captains retained this alliance and raided worlds with even more corruption and cruelty.

ANd them BAM, Resident Evil/Silent Hill type horrors. Nightmarish monster movie, Zombie movie, and psycho slasher horror movie cliches the whole time. A Haunted House ride, with all the fun of an infectious disease.

Ive seen too many movies I think. ;D
   
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I'm not normally a fan of legions/chapters being fluffed to regularly work side/by/side (as it's usually just gak to explain some rules shenanigans), but that makes a lot of sense!

Even if it weren't a formal alliance, you'd still have Night Lords raid places that DG were going to hit - as there would be no retaliation. And DG would hit places Night Lords were going to raid - because they would be weakened or busy.

This one feels so insanely fluffy and evil, it's a perfect element of the 40k universe!
   
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 Ynneadwraith wrote:
The Emperor's origin story is myth, fable and fabrication. The whole 'watching over humanity since pre-history' is bunk. The Emperor never was a warp entity (note 'was').

Who the Emperor actually is is a particularly savvy regular human warlord from the tail end of the Age of Strife. Possibly gene-modified, but no more or less than anyone else at the time. Plotting amd scheming to take over earth and destroy his rivals just like any other despot.

Explains why he struggled to unify Terra. He's just a regular (if gifted) dude.

His ascention to godhood began when he (against all odds) unified Sol and the eldar finished their murder-orgy, paving the way for the Great Crusade. As each world fell to his armies, people began to deify him. Because of the way belief works in 40k, the larger the Imperium grew, the more and more he transitioned into a warp-entity.

Cue 10,000 years of feverish belief and the Emperor of Mankind is more warp-god than man. Utterly inhuman, and little more than an echo of the strife and troubles of his beleaguered species, fuelled by the false dogma and myth generated by generations upon generations of ignorant religious fanatics.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I see it as well.

   
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That Magnus did nothing wrong.

To many unpainted models to count. 
   
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Magnus's only real mistake was how he chose to warn the Emperor. Had he taken his fleet to Davin while sending a message to the Emperor via astropath it's unlikely he would have flipped.
   
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Well that and intentionally ignoring what he was told....

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pm713 wrote:
Well that and intentionally ignoring what he was told....


NOTHING, WRONG!

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 Backspacehacker wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Well that and intentionally ignoring what he was told....


NOTHING, WRONG!

I blame the Emperor. Imagine how much would have changed with a short conversation about Tzeentch. I know Emps was busy but some parenting would've helped so much with the Heresy.

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epronovost wrote:
My personnal headcanon involves:

larger Chapters (the thousand Space Marines limit is for their combat units, it doesn't involve their reserves units, their recruits in training AKA scouts, their vehicle crew and their Space Ship crew).
.


That ones actually canon, people have estimated the Ultramarines as being about 1200-1500 strong once you include the honor guard, the Libarius, the scout company (which has no fixed size) and all those other support units that aren't part of the codex in that regard

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Infiltrating Broodlord




Lake County, Illinois

What people see when they look at the emperor is just a psychic projection. He's actually just a normal human, just a very powerful psyker who is good at using his powers and showmanship to impress people and gain their loyalty. At the time of the great crusade/heresy he's actually a barely-alive shriveled old man, but still a powerful psyker. Maybe he is just a psychic projection created by Malcador.

The "science" used to create the primarchs was actually obtained from the warp and deals made with daemons/chaos gods. And so is most of the emperor's psychic power. Once he had what he needed from them, the "emperor" decided to go back on his deal and not give them whatever his side of the bargain was. So he invented the "Imperial truth" and his goal of spreading it throughout the galaxy in order to defeat the chaos gods so he wouldn't have to pay them what he owed for the power they gave him. The idea being that if he could spread those lies throughout the galaxy, and nobody believed in daemons or gods, they would no longer have any power in the material universe and couldn't get back at him.

The Chaos Gods obviously weren't happy about this. Since the primarchs were, in essence, partially warp beings or daemon possessed to begin with, they had no trouble abducting them and conveniently depositing them on just the right worlds to cause them to develop the way they wanted. The way that would cause them to plunge the galaxy into civil war, killing the emperor for his treachery and insuring belief in chaos for all time. Because, when you make a deal with the devil, of course you always lose.

Neatly explains why the almighty emperor would have any trouble uniting earth or why he didn't do it way earlier. Also explains why he does such dumb things, and why he would create such flawed beings to lead his armies. He didn't really create them, the chaos gods did. And explains his obsession with spreading the false "Imperial Truth" all over.

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