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This is some daft topic.

I've read every response and it seems there is agreement on what the rules state from all but the OP and one other guy?

OP - you have been shown, multiple times where the rulebook disproves tour premise. Various posters have literally quoted the rules for you and those rules are contrary to your thoughts on moving as a group and the effect on heavy weapons. There is no more to say on the topic. Your thoughts are incorrect as the rules are defined. Are the rules a little inconsistent? Yes. But they're the rules and they are clear. If the point of this thread is to try and prove your idea on moving and the impact on heavy weapons and you are unwilling to accept the thoughts of others this topic does not belong in YMDC.

To summarise the response, its as follows;
1. A unit gets one opportunity to 'move' where all models in the unit that the player wants to move are moved.
2. Not all models in a unit must be moved when a unit is selected to 'move'.
3. When a unit is selected to fire its weapons the individual models check whether they moved for the purposes of firing heavy weapons. If they did, they suffer the penalty. If not, they don't.

I hope this helps.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
This is some daft topic.

I've read every response and it seems there is agreement on what the rules state from all but the OP and one other guy?

OP - you have been shown, multiple times where the rulebook disproves tour premise. Various posters have literally quoted the rules for you and those rules are contrary to your thoughts on moving as a group and the effect on heavy weapons. There is no more to say on the topic. Your thoughts are incorrect as the rules are defined. Are the rules a little inconsistent? Yes. But they're the rules and they are clear. If the point of this thread is to try and prove your idea on moving and the impact on heavy weapons and you are unwilling to accept the thoughts of others this topic does not belong in YMDC.

To summarise the response, its as follows;
1. A unit gets one opportunity to 'move' where all models in the unit that the player wants to move are moved.
2. Not all models in a unit must be moved when a unit is selected to 'move'.
3. When a unit is selected to fire its weapons the individual models check whether they moved for the purposes of firing heavy weapons. If they did, they suffer the penalty. If not, they don't.

I hope this helps.

It won't, despite being a completely true and accurate account of this thread and the question.

Mods ought to lock it.

Mods please lock this. The single worst thread I’ve ever seen on dakkadakka hahahaha

OP is wrong, everyone else is correct, end of thread.

I love that people who don't take the topic seriously decide to post in it. About half of everyone against me had absolutely nothing to contribute to the conversation except to restate what the opposing viewpoint is and saying that I'm flat wrong. I hope you understand the difference between consensus and being correct.

Thanks to doctortom, skchsan, deviantduck, and slipspace for actually arguing and articulating their points. I hope you at least see where I'm coming from, if i haven't changed your minds. I certainly understand where you are coming from in your rules interpretation.

Pieceocake wrote:
I love that people who don't take the topic seriously decide to post in it. About half of everyone against me had absolutely nothing to contribute to the conversation except to restate what the opposing viewpoint is and saying that I'm flat wrong. I hope you understand the difference between consensus and being correct.

Thanks to doctortom, skchsan, deviantduck, and slipspace for actually arguing and articulating their points. I hope you at least see where I'm coming from, if i haven't changed your minds. I certainly understand where you are coming from in your rules interpretation.

I do agree that the first line in the "UNITS" description is rather misleading. However, you have to follow the general concept/principle of "permissive ruleset" and "specific over general" in order to understand/use the rules as written.

I have made a helpful flowchart to help understand the situation.

Technically at no point do the rules state that a unit who has moved counts as having moved, the "moved" title is never applied to them, and is only applied by the literal application of the word "Moved", which means to have ended up somewhere other than where they started. then you say models who have moved have -1 to hit with heavy weapons.

so, has the model moved?

The rules seem pretty clear here. I don't understand what the debate is.

The rules for shooting specific weapons somewhat trump the unit movement rule as they refer to specific models.

And in a 'spirit of the rules' way, you can imagine the heavy weapons guy standing still to fire as his buddies moved forwards, with the formation stretching out...

And of course next turn he'd have to move if the rest of the unit did otherwise they'd break formation.