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Whilest i can understand some of the frustration, this seems a bit excessive no?

if one expect renegade knight can be run almost "brainless" like imperial counterparts well... of course he got disappointed, they need a tuned list and aren't broken like castellan soup lists. It's called "play skills", need play instead complain in a forum about rules, that wont help, my 2 cents. I play tje list i regularly play at tournaments for many months, with small changing and i regularly get results with it now. You cant grab 4 renegade knights or a renegade castellan and expect it can perform as imperials do , they dont have a whole codex they lack key stratagems/traits, they lack wargears, they are a super elitary army, they perform well in the rightt army build in skilled player hands.

 blackmage wrote:
if one expect renegade knight can be run almost "brainless" like imperial counterparts well... of course he got disappointed, they need a tuned list and aren't broken like castellan soup lists. It's called "play skills", need play instead complain in a forum about rules, that wont help, my 2 cents. I play tje list i regularly play at tournaments for many months, with small changing and i regularly get results with it now. You cant grab 4 renegade knights or a renegade castellan and expect it can perform as imperials do , they dont have a whole codex they lack key stratagems/traits, they lack wargears, they are a super elitary army, they perform well in the rightt army build in skilled player hands.

Just seems like a lot of contorting and work for a mediocre result.

perhaps you are right but at least i know how to play my army that's enough for me, good luck dude, keep whining maybe helps you improve ur playing skills.

 blackmage wrote:
perhaps you are right but at least i know how to play my army that's enough for me, good luck dude, keep whining maybe helps you improve ur playing skills.

Coming from someone trying to sell the virtues an objectively inferior ruleset, that's rich.

But hey, keep drinking that piss while GW calls it rain, they appreciate you paying them for their waste.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
I will never understand someone so myopic that they'll argue for broken rules.
I can understand arguing that a rule isn't broken, or the subjectivity of what's good and what's less powerful, but the position that there's nothing wrong with poorly written rules is baffling.

As has been said countless times, the fix isn't even hard. Being a pdf with no print copy it would take someone at GW all of 10 minutes to fix this.

I'll never understand people who deliberately spread false information - such as that Index: Renegade Knights isn't in print anywhere.

Especially when the correct information - that it is printed in Chapter Approved 2018 - is even in the thread you're posting in...

Or at the original link:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ENG_Index_Renegade_Knights.pdf

Do you think an online pdf is "in print?" Maybe you shouldn't be using the computer if you don't understand that's not what in print means. lol

And CA changes every year, by it's very nature, so no, that doesn't count for anything either. It's a pdf, online, and those take only moments to change. The fact that you people have to stretch so hard to try and find invalid arguments to defend your position shows you really have no argument except the fact that you want to disagree with someone on the internets.

Danny slag wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

Danny slag wrote:
I will never understand someone so myopic that they'll argue for broken rules.
I can understand arguing that a rule isn't broken, or the subjectivity of what's good and what's less powerful, but the position that there's nothing wrong with poorly written rules is baffling.

As has been said countless times, the fix isn't even hard. Being a pdf with no print copy it would take someone at GW all of 10 minutes to fix this.

I'll never understand people who deliberately spread false information - such as that Index: Renegade Knights isn't in print anywhere.

Especially when the correct information - that it is printed in Chapter Approved 2018 - is even in the thread you're posting in...

Or at the original link:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/ENG_Index_Renegade_Knights.pdf

Do you think an online pdf is "in print?" Maybe you shouldn't be using the computer if you don't understand that's not what in print means. lol

And CA changes every year, by it's very nature, so no, that doesn't count for anything either. It's a pdf, online, and those take only moments to change. The fact that you people have to stretch so hard to try and find invalid arguments to defend your position shows you really have no argument except the fact that you want to disagree with someone on the internets.

Unless you want to claim that your original statement was outright distorted, you said:

Being a pdf with no print copy

That's just plain wrong.

I don't disagree that GW did the bare minimum for Renegade Knight players and SHOULD'VE done more, but that doesn't mean one should resort to lying.

So much negativity towards renegade knights here. Mono RK are clearly not very good but soup them up and they can add flavour and some missing elements to some chaos forces. Just take a look through the DG tactics thread to find some players who are doing well with DG/Nurgle/RK lists.

Here's an example of a batrep I've found where they can be used to synergise well with Nurgle which lack potent damage dealing threats. Double avenger gatling cannons are amazing fun.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/764685.page