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40k Bobby G's size doesn't bother me so much as his really weird proportions. His head is way weirdly small, his legs just look off, and his stomach/midsection is strange. Finally his sword hand looks like a baby's hand compared to the rest of him. He's like Frankenstein, put together from different people.

Insectum7 wrote:7" tall for a human is rare. Like, CRAZY rare. According to google, the number of people over 7" tall in the world is "about 2800"

I think you mean 7', otherwise I must be one of the tallest human beings in the world!

HoundsofDemos wrote:40k Bobby G's size doesn't bother me so much as his really weird proportions. His head is way weirdly small, his legs just look off, and his stomach/midsection is strange. Finally his sword hand looks like a baby's hand compared to the rest of him. He's like Frankenstein, put together from different people.

He's a terrible model alright.

Reuben Goldman wrote:"Behold my abundance of filigree and great splayed legs, for I am the Lord Commander of the Imperium, and this is how thou shall know me!"

HoundsofDemos wrote:
40k Bobby G's size doesn't bother me so much as his really weird proportions. His head is way weirdly small, his legs just look off, and his stomach/midsection is strange. Finally his sword hand looks like a baby's hand compared to the rest of him. He's like Frankenstein, put together from different people.

I totally agree... again... i get all the fluff and lore.... things just dont look right and downright silly.

Never thought this discussion would get so lengthy... nice!

FTL

 fasterthanlight wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
40k Bobby G's size doesn't bother me so much as his really weird proportions. His head is way weirdly small, his legs just look off, and his stomach/midsection is strange. Finally his sword hand looks like a baby's hand compared to the rest of him. He's like Frankenstein, put together from different people.

I totally agree... again... i get all the fluff and lore.... things just dont look right and downright silly.

Never thought this discussion would get so lengthy... nice!

FTL

See, I don't know if this is just some artistic style or something else as a few of GW's modern offerings have the same thing going on, with them meant to be looked at from a "worm's eye view" to make better sense (though how one does this with a mini I've no idea...). A good recent example of this is the Khorne Slaughterpriest (specifically the one that came free with WD)- he has thick, tree trunk legs and a tiny pinhead and just looks odd. Your mind can rationalise this a little as it's Chaos but I fail to see how this is meant to be the model's "golden angle" (or whatever buzzword GW use) when looking at it as said angle is so unusual and nobody will look at it that way.

I reckon that was what they were swinging for with Gulliman too and seemed to have fluffed it as not many people will look at him from that angle. It makes me not like him (esp. compared to his FW model) his odd pose, the Joffrey-looking head and how even Primaris look like children around him just look off.

The slaughterpriests are described in fluff as getting incredibly swollen and increase in height tbf. Clearly a bolt on fluff piece after looking at the model but at least it's something.

Andykp wrote:

 Lord Clinto wrote:
Average male human height, at this point in time, is 5' 10" = ~1.8 meters
All the lore I've ever read suggested that Space Marines in Power Armor are close to 3 meters tall = ~9' 7"
In the HH books, most Primarchs tower over their "sons".

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Marines doing acrobatics in power armour isn't "Black Library rubbish". That's been canon from the beginning.

However, making Primarchs huge clashes with other elements of the setting. That's not the only clash, so I'm going to do what I do with all fiction - ignore the nits I don't like.

After all, if the Primarchs are head and shoulders above their Marines, how does Alpharius hide amongst them?

Because Alpharius / Omegon were "twin primarchs" for the Alpha Legion they both are much closer to regular Legionnaire height; at most maybe 1-2" taller.

This is where the problems arise, if in the black library marines are exaggerated to be 10 foot tall and primarchs must be taller (because taller is better for some reason) they must be 12 foot tall. It all gets silly. Unsaying that alpahrius was only 1-2 foot taller than his men so he could hide among them is crazy, I’m two foot taller then all the kids in my 7 year olds class but I would stick out like a saw thumb if I tried to pretend to be one of them.

So if we take it back to marines being 7 foot tall in armour as intended in the original design, a primarch a bit taller is not reaching crazy heights where everything around him would need to be custom built just to live. At twelve feet tall all the buildings in a place would need to be changed.

I also ignore the bits I don’t like of the fiction, as do most people.

Apologies to my friends across the pond. I said 1-2", as in Inches, taller then his Legionnaires. So 2.5 - 5cm taller, not that big of a difference from one Marine to another or human to human for that matter.

 Lord Clinto wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Lord Clinto wrote:
Average male human height, at this point in time, is 5' 10" = ~1.8 meters
All the lore I've ever read suggested that Space Marines in Power Armor are close to 3 meters tall = ~9' 7"
In the HH books, most Primarchs tower over their "sons".

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Marines doing acrobatics in power armour isn't "Black Library rubbish". That's been canon from the beginning.

However, making Primarchs huge clashes with other elements of the setting. That's not the only clash, so I'm going to do what I do with all fiction - ignore the nits I don't like.

After all, if the Primarchs are head and shoulders above their Marines, how does Alpharius hide amongst them?

Because Alpharius / Omegon were "twin primarchs" for the Alpha Legion they both are much closer to regular Legionnaire height; at most maybe 1-2" taller.

This is where the problems arise, if in the black library marines are exaggerated to be 10 foot tall and primarchs must be taller (because taller is better for some reason) they must be 12 foot tall. It all gets silly. Unsaying that alpahrius was only 1-2 foot taller than his men so he could hide among them is crazy, I’m two foot taller then all the kids in my 7 year olds class but I would stick out like a saw thumb if I tried to pretend to be one of them.

So if we take it back to marines being 7 foot tall in armour as intended in the original design, a primarch a bit taller is not reaching crazy heights where everything around him would need to be custom built just to live. At twelve feet tall all the buildings in a place would need to be changed.

I also ignore the bits I don’t like of the fiction, as do most people.

Apologies to my friends across the pond. I said 1-2", as in Inches, taller then his Legionnaires. So 2.5 - 5cm taller, not that big of a difference from one Marine to another or human to human for that matter.

My bad, you did. Stupid old eyes of mine!

 Grimtuff wrote:

 fasterthanlight wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
40k Bobby G's size doesn't bother me so much as his really weird proportions. His head is way weirdly small, his legs just look off, and his stomach/midsection is strange. Finally his sword hand looks like a baby's hand compared to the rest of him. He's like Frankenstein, put together from different people.

I totally agree... again... i get all the fluff and lore.... things just dont look right and downright silly.

Never thought this discussion would get so lengthy... nice!

FTL

See, I don't know if this is just some artistic style or something else as a few of GW's modern offerings have the same thing going on, with them meant to be looked at from a "worm's eye view" to make better sense (though how one does this with a mini I've no idea...). A good recent example of this is the Khorne Slaughterpriest (specifically the one that came free with WD)- he has thick, tree trunk legs and a tiny pinhead and just looks odd. Your mind can rationalise this a little as it's Chaos but I fail to see how this is meant to be the model's "golden angle" (or whatever buzzword GW use) when looking at it as said angle is so unusual and nobody will look at it that way.

I reckon that was what they were swinging for with Gulliman too and seemed to have fluffed it as not many people will look at him from that angle. It makes me not like him (esp. compared to his FW model) his odd pose, the Joffrey-looking head and how even Primaris look like children around him just look off.

OMG.. Joffrey head... i wont be able to stop seeing that now.

BTW completely agree about the slaughter priest... and infact most of the new khorne stuff... the legs are way too thick.

I dont mean to come across as a hater, i just dont know how GW can completely knock it out the park with things like GSCs, Kill Team RT, BSF, Imperial Knights... etc. etc. Which are all just perfect and yet RG and the khorne stuff just looks wrong!

Anyway... generally i think GW are killing it. Super good time to be in the hobby,

FTL

 Ginjitzu wrote:

Insectum7 wrote:7" tall for a human is rare. Like, CRAZY rare. According to google, the number of people over 7" tall in the world is "about 2800"

I think you mean 7', otherwise I must be one of the tallest human beings in the world!

Hehe. Corrected

 Stormonu wrote:

Also, I saw someone mention this elsewhere, and I like to imagine Guilliman is actually encased in dreadnought armor designed to look like an enlarged version of his old armor.

This. But yeah he still looks wrong in many ways. To big. Different proportions. Too baroque. Angular face.