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 Stux wrote:
I don't really see how that's a "wacky issue". It's just part of the game. You still generally won't be able to poke a turret out to shoot without giving the opponent the opportunity to do so back in their turn, which seems fair to me. The RAI is clear to me that it should be allowed, so that's not an issue for me at all.

Look, I really don't buy this reading of the text (it never talks about "entire" or anything like that - that's something people are adding to it) but it's clear I'm not going to convince the entrenched positions of some of the posters here. From a RAW perspective it's a pretty weak argument they are making, but there's no point going in circles further.

Which direction did you move your model when you changed the facing of the gun barrel?

Any direction I want, as per the rule.

If a model rotates in the spot, what direction did it move in? What about the point it pivoted on? By your reading I don't think we are allowed to pivot anymore...

There is nothing in any of the movement rules people are quoting that addresses moving part of a model. RAW it is never mentioned or addressed. People are indeed interpreting move a model as move the entire model, but that is an interpretation. In this case it comes down to RAI, and if a disagreement occurs it should be rolled for as the rules suggest.

The rules specifically mention that situations may arise which the rules do not make clear, under "the most important rule". Yet people still try to act as though there is a clear RAW answer to every possible situation. The English language is not perfect and GW's utilization of it is even less so.

 Stux wrote:
Any direction I want, as per the rule.

If a model rotates in the spot, what direction did it move in? What about the point it pivoted on? By your reading I don't think we are allowed to pivot anymore...

Towards whatever the model is facing. No, by my reading you can totally pivot because you still picking the entire model up and moving it to face a different direction, you are simply moving it 0" and as long as that 0" move required no part of the model to move more than the max allowed move it is totally fair. It is only your reading that creates wonky situations and possibilities of not glueing your models together creating a possible advantage. If I ripped apart my Sergeant during the game to put his sword higher or lower and glued him back together I would have also just moved the model, is that fair? How about if I switch between all kneeling and all standing tau fire warriors by having putty in their knees? No this line of thinking leads to bad places fast, as do all "but it doesn't say I can't" lines of thought. No it says you can move the model, purposefully changing only part of the model's pose is cheating as far as I'm concerned, as would changing the face of a die be after you rolled it (it doesn't say I can't). If anything you should refer back to rule 1, which is clearly in my favour.

 Stux wrote:


If you want to house rule it then fine, but don't claim it's the rules. You're adding on extra clauses that aren't there to restrict the definition, and that's just arguing in bad faith.

I did not add that you can move a part of the model, you did that.

The rules I posted are the RAW.

Movement, as per the BRB means displacement of the model measured in inches.

SO, what we can all take from this is that you can shoot at any part of a vehicle's hull that moves when the music stops, so long as it is not in a Tupperware container.

If you still have any potential concerns, discuss with your opponent before the game.