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 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

 Popsghostly wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
'Cept that Trek never did anything as blatant as this.

That is totally awesome, and also self-aware and funny. And you obviously haven't watched much Star Trek. TNG in particular is full of Picard's 'SJW' speeches (Though Kirk definitely began the tradition) which is one of the many reasons why it is my favourite TV show ever.

This thread is hilarious though. Before a single issue is published, before there are any previews or even hits of stories people here are crying about evil SJW agenda. It must be a terrible life to be so insecure and paranoid.

It's going on across the universe.

Lady Atia has one too:

"Starchild • 3 hours ago
Marvel teaming up with GW on comic books? Bye bye GW. Your first step to a political correctness takeover."

Why does diversity in comics and movies where there is a universe of people outside white males cause so much fear? Fear about not being the top dogs?

People aren't bothered by diversity, they are bothered by forced politics that are used as an excuse for culture warriors to take over industries and force out actual artists and storytellers. These political takeovers have driven several good franchises into the dirt so far, so of course people are afraid of it happening here. But the hacks that are destroying these industries hide behind the politics themselves, so you get fooled into thinking the problem is that people are against the diversity per se.

There have been tons of successful and well loved movies/comics etc in the past, going back decades, that had diverse casts. People aren't complaining about Black Panther or Blade or the Matrix because the problem isn't the diversity.

Which franchises?

insaniak wrote:Or maybe, at since point, it's worth stopping and asking yourself if the problem is everyone else in the world, or if it might be something to do with the way you choose to discuss the issue...?

I, for one, am thrilled that we have moderators here who have the ability to read minds and know the hidden desires that reside within our soul. Saves me so much effort actually putting my thoughts into words where their meaning can just be assumed!

Regardless, the point still stands. Not reading bad comics is no longer a defense against being affected by them. Marketing has framed criticism as a morality deviation, and people believe they are being righteous by acting like complete buttholes. Even mods. Especially mods.

BrianDavion wrote:if you're such a long term marvel fan surely you should know Captain America was created before the USA got into WW2 and many Americans at the time it launched staunchly opposed "getting involved in a european war" (fun fact both Canada and the USA turned away Jewish refugees fleeing the holocaust) and certainly you understand that the X-men where always a thinly veiled allusion to issues with prejudice in society?

Marvel hasn't started pushing social issues dude, they've ALWAYS done it. you just don't realize it when you see a comic book written in the 1960s because those issues are old news

This is what I'm talking about it. I never said ANYTHING about this stuff. You are making assumptions about what I believe based on NOTHING. It's pure invention.

I've always said that Black Panther, as a character, is like a less interesting Namor who is rarely even the most interesting character in his own books. And that Ms Marvel was a background character that other background characters forgot existed until she got a new haircut. Nobody has ever really done anything interesting with her as a character, so I think it was a terrible move that Marvel decided to give her a movie when there are literally hundreds of more interesting and worthwhile characters to explore (She-Hulk is one, and I was thrilled when her tv series was announced).

I didn't bring up politics or the culture war or anything like that! YOU did! Many of my most favorite comics have been political in nature (like Days of Future Past or Civil War). I LOVE political comics! It may be trite and predictable, by my favorite comic of all time is Watchmen, and it doesn't get much more overtly political than that (much of which is probably lost on readers who didn't live through the 80s).

My complaints are purely based on the quality of these characters AS characters, and what writers have done (or failed to do) with them over the years, but everybody assumes that if I don't like them, it must be because I want to show off my MAGA hat. These characters are older than I am, and I've had these opinions since well before the MCU ever became a thing - but it is only because of how Marvel decided to market their movies that I am now vilified for it. And that's absurd. And yet here we are. You've fallen for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Forced diversity is a dangerous road to travel, as generally speaking, folks don’t like being forced to do anything. History provides us with example after example. The more heterogeneous a society becomes, the more it degenerates and descends towards it’s collapse. That’s why freedom of association is such an important right. Choice. Regardless of how distasteful that may seem to the social utopians.

Examples such as?

What's forced diversity? What makes it forced? Why forced uniformity in the era when most heroes were white straight men was not a problem?

 Crimson wrote:
What's forced diversity? What makes it forced? Why forced uniformity in the era when most heroes were white straight men was not a problem?

Remember when they cast a black horse as Pegasus in the Clash of the Titans remake?

Outrageous!

Temporarily locking this as we are waaaaaayyyyyyy off track.

This thread is for discussing GW and Marvel's partnership announcement, not a proxy for debating politics / societal issues / etc...

I'll re-open (or we can make a new thread) when there are more details to discuss, and see if this thread can stay on topic - if not, it will have to be locked permanently...