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 Unit1126PLL wrote:

Narrative player tip: I take your narrative less seriously if your army isn't painted, because to me it shows a lack of commitment to your army's narrative. That's an opinion and isn't objective,

That's you problem.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
but part of narrative can be coming up with the way your army differentiates itself or why it is painted the way it is. For example, the camouflage on Imperial Guardsmen can be based on the current warzone they're operating in, their normal regimental uniform, or even personal gear with nothing more than the Departmento Munitorum badge to identify themselves as a regiment at all. How your army is painted can tell me a lot about the narrative - are they prideful in their regimental colors, wearing their uniforms into combat like the Mordians? Are they "Reasonable Marines" who apply camouflage? Are their lasguns industrially-produced blued steel like Armageddon or do they have a lacquered wood finish like Vostroyans? Do they wear personal gear because they come from a fractured society (either House Guard-types for nobility or gangs/tribes)? Even if issued with Cadian-pattern equipment as the majority of regiments are, do they wear face-paint in the tradition of their feral world, fierce and hand-applied? Do they trace/scrimshaw elegant gold patterns into their armor panels after issue as a display of status? Etc.

The key phase in there is that early can be. Doesn't have to be.
My own Necron's narrative though? Involves them earning their paint. Everyone starts out with a basic spray of Leadbelcher. After that, as individual models/units achieve glory, XP, & honors? Their paint jobs improve/evolve.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Cheex wrote:

gaovinni wrote:
1. No points for having a painted army.

Good news: this isn't a thing in Crusade anyway. It's specific to the Eternal War and GT mission packs.

Crusade Mission Pack, step 15, second paragraph. Page 335 if your are using the BRB.

You are no longer allowed to have fun before you have painted your miniatures.

Huh. I stand totally corrected, thank you. Not sure why I had it in mind that it didn't exist in Crusade - maybe I just habitually ignore it because our group doesn't use the rule.

In any case, I suggest that we keep the discussion of this rule out of this thread since it has already been discussed recently.

ccs wrote:
My own Necron's narrative though? Involves them earning their paint. Everyone starts out with a basic spray of Leadbelcher. After that, as individual models/units achieve glory, XP, & honors? Their paint jobs improve/evolve.

I actually like this idea. I've also had the idea of adding trinkets and trophies for models that have done well or just absolutely crazy things in game. Plays to the narrative nicely.

My main problem with painting has been the motivation. I don't really have it but I am hoping that in the long run contrast paints will negate that. They make painting so easy.

gaovinni wrote:

ccs wrote:
My own Necron's narrative though? Involves them earning their paint. Everyone starts out with a basic spray of Leadbelcher. After that, as individual models/units achieve glory, XP, & honors? Their paint jobs improve/evolve.

I actually like this idea. I've also had the idea of adding trinkets and trophies for models that have done well or just absolutely crazy things in game. Plays to the narrative nicely.

My main problem with painting has been the motivation. I don't really have it but I am hoping that in the long run contrast paints will negate that. They make painting so easy.

That's my exact reasoning behind "Earn Your Paint".
Me painting an entire army has always been one of those things that I'm honestly just not motivated to do. Never have been. So it can take an incredibly long time. Add to that that I really only tend to paint en-masse when seriously depressed/stressed.... If I'm painting a lot it's a sure sign that something is really really wrong.
Random models here & there though? That I can handle. "Earn Your Paint" is just an organized way of selecting some of those random models.

Racerguy180 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Continuing with filth...

Here are the beginnings of my chaos Ogryn for my traitor guard.

WYSIWYG

oh snazy bunch.

Thank you, next step is a box of bullgryns getting the same treatment.

I cannot overstate how cool the servitor kit is, many, many ways to make them not look the same

Well Gotta Look into that for my own traitors then.
Allbeit i am tempted to wait for wargames Atlantic ones , hopefully Big zweihänder will be common in the kit so i can make some berzerkers.

One thing about filthy casual gaming came up and I was wondering does anyone else do it.

In games the games I play winning is not really a major thing in the end. The playing itself is the main purpose. So when the situation is clear that you are not going to win my tactics change completely. I go with "can this unit pull off an assault to their lines" "could I manage do that" "that character could go full on rambo" and such.

I always keep playing as long as I have models on the board unless my opponent is unwilling to continue (I wont force them to play) no matter how many models I have left. One of my favorite games ever was when I managed to keep my last three models alive for two turns.

ccs wrote:
That's my exact reasoning behind "Earn Your Paint".
Me painting an entire army has always been one of those things that I'm honestly just not motivated to do. Never have been. So it can take an incredibly long time. Add to that that I really only tend to paint en-masse when seriously depressed/stressed.... If I'm painting a lot it's a sure sign that something is really really wrong.
Random models here & there though? That I can handle. "Earn Your Paint" is just an organized way of selecting some of those random models.

"Earn your paint" also has been a great driver for me. If an unfinished model has been doing well or at least been involved in some interesting situations repeatedly, I'm much more motivated to finish them.

gaovinni wrote:
One thing about filthy casual gaming came up and I was wondering does anyone else do it.

In games the games I play winning is not really a major thing in the end. The playing itself is the main purpose. So when the situation is clear that you are not going to win my tactics change completely. I go with "can this unit pull off an assault to their lines" "could I manage do that" "that character could go full on rambo" and such.

I always keep playing as long as I have models on the board unless my opponent is unwilling to continue (I wont force them to play) no matter how many models I have left. One of my favorite games ever was when I managed to keep my last three models alive for two turns.

Yeah, totally – this is a fairly big thing for me; I hardly ever win anything but I still enjoy myself and try to make a point of playing through to the end. Maybe it's exposure to the "Orks is never beaten" mantra at an impressionable age, but if the game's going badly, I just tell myself "huh, I wonder if my warbles can punch that tank to death before the end of the game?" or something.

BTW everyone, can we please not derail this into yet another thread arguing about whether or not you like painting your figures? Some people like it/think it's important, some don't; it's been done to death and always just turns into the same, boring, circular argument. I'd like this thread to be a little bit of a haven from all the exact same topics that roll around every couple of months then degenerate into a fight.

gaovinni wrote:
One thing about filthy casual gaming came up and I was wondering does anyone else do it.

In games the games I play winning is not really a major thing in the end. The playing itself is the main purpose. So when the situation is clear that you are not going to win my tactics change completely. I go with "can this unit pull off an assault to their lines" "could I manage do that" "that character could go full on rambo" and such.

I always keep playing as long as I have models on the board unless my opponent is unwilling to continue (I wont force them to play) no matter how many models I have left. One of my favorite games ever was when I managed to keep my last three models alive for two turns.

I used to do that all the time when I still gamed in shops. Less so now that I’m just playing at home vs. The Boy.

But it was a good way of dealing with lopsided matchups. Set your own “secondary objectives” and base yourself on that.

Back in 5th? a friend of mine and me were playing in a doubles game. Across the table was some horrible meta win lists, and us with our more mediocre TAC ones. He looks over at me and says “If we’re not tabled by the end of 3, I’m calling it a win.” We did hold out (until the end actually, but barely) lost on all the metrics the game measured, but called it a win in out hearts.

Also, if a unit is going to die, I try to have them die well. And let your opponent do the same. There are times where what happens on a table quarter will have zero impact of the final score. You could just handwave skipping them to speed the game up. (and if it’s getting close to meal time, this happens) Or you could break free of the treeline you have been hiding in all game, and go show those scrubs who have been taking potshots at you all game in the nearby ruins what happens to those who irritate you. But if it looks like these tree-huggers are not going to make it before the timer runs down, abandon your ruins and go stab them. The Emperor saw fit to issue you combat knives for a reason. Don’t just have the artillery flatten them because they ran out of real targets turns ago.

Have fun, play for the moment (but still keep score)

gaovinni wrote:
One thing about filthy casual gaming came up and I was wondering does anyone else do it.

In games the games I play winning is not really a major thing in the end. The playing itself is the main purpose. So when the situation is clear that you are not going to win my tactics change completely. I go with "can this unit pull off an assault to their lines" "could I manage do that" "that character could go full on rambo" and such.

I always keep playing as long as I have models on the board unless my opponent is unwilling to continue (I wont force them to play) no matter how many models I have left. One of my favorite games ever was when I managed to keep my last three models alive for two turns.

I guess depends a bit for me.
Casual get a game in, pickup or just for fun, generally my aim is still to win as is the overall aim of the game technically since, well wargame, overall though the game is at the center. The endresult is that i want to have played a fun match. It also gives me the option to do wierd stuff, like the AL cultists and illusion prayer list, stuff like that. Often i experiment more with gimmicks.

I also vary with playstyle when i pick any of my armies, as in i play diffrently like the army would be behaving.

Narrative matches as part of a campaign increase that later behaviour, but then again i often field my more backgrounded forces for those occaisions.

 Jidmah wrote:

ccs wrote:
That's my exact reasoning behind "Earn Your Paint".
Me painting an entire army has always been one of those things that I'm honestly just not motivated to do. Never have been. So it can take an incredibly long time. Add to that that I really only tend to paint en-masse when seriously depressed/stressed.... If I'm painting a lot it's a sure sign that something is really really wrong.
Random models here & there though? That I can handle. "Earn Your Paint" is just an organized way of selecting some of those random models.

"Earn your paint" also has been a great driver for me. If an unfinished model has been doing well or at least been involved in some interesting situations repeatedly, I'm much more motivated to finish them.

This is a cool idea. Thank you for posting it. We have a few people in our group in the same boat where they want to want to paint. But they just don't. Our opinion is, it's your hobby, do the parts you like, so it's fine, but they're always looking for ways to motivate themselves. I will suggest this next time I see them!

Currently trying to figure out whether I want to spend actual money on a crazy unit idea that nobody will ever let me play...

Khorne-marked Havocs riding Juggernauts. A unit of 3 with lascannons. It... it isn't that hard to pull off (the conversion). It's so tempting.

Rihgu wrote:
Currently trying to figure out whether I want to spend actual money on a crazy unit idea that nobody will ever let me play...

Khorne-marked Havocs riding Juggernauts. A unit of 3 with lascannons. It... it isn't that hard to pull off (the conversion). It's so tempting.

Khorne prefers Autocannons.
Also, why not run as lord discordant?

Not Online!!! wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Currently trying to figure out whether I want to spend actual money on a crazy unit idea that nobody will ever let me play...

Khorne-marked Havocs riding Juggernauts. A unit of 3 with lascannons. It... it isn't that hard to pull off (the conversion). It's so tempting.

Khorne prefers Autocannons.
Also, why not run as lord discordant?

Lascannons work better modeling wise as they're held up on the shoulder, away from the beast. Autocannons being held low means more major modifications. Currently, using my "real" havocs as a guideline, it looks like I only really have to cut the metal plated loincloth away and I can stick it on a juggernaut with a missile launcher or lascannon.

It would be much too small (and getting far away from what I consider a faithful representation) of the Lord Discordant. Although, in casual games it probably wouldn't matter much and would allow me to run up to... 4!

Rihgu wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
Currently trying to figure out whether I want to spend actual money on a crazy unit idea that nobody will ever let me play...

Khorne-marked Havocs riding Juggernauts. A unit of 3 with lascannons. It... it isn't that hard to pull off (the conversion). It's so tempting.

Khorne prefers Autocannons.
Also, why not run as lord discordant?

Lascannons work better modeling wise as they're held up on the shoulder, away from the beast. Autocannons being held low means more major modifications. Currently, using my "real" havocs as a guideline, it looks like I only really have to cut the metal plated loincloth away and I can stick it on a juggernaut with a missile launcher or lascannon.

It would be much too small (and getting far away from what I consider a faithful representation) of the Lord Discordant. Although, in casual games it probably wouldn't matter much and would allow me to run up to... 4!

pft, you need to think bigger, think about tactical rock base

And yeahm from taking a look at my own 15 havocs, you only need to remove the chainmail tabard / loincloth and you can use them for that.
Albeit it seems still like a bit of waste money wise to run the three of them as havocs...
Why not run as obliterators? (nvm that you are forced to run 5 havocs and only 5... because chaos is homogenised more recently thanks to GW streamlining...)



Edit: anyways, did inventory recently, managed to make my Auxillia for my traitor guard nearly into 1000pts of militia and elites , time for a test drive soonish with a master of the horde build.

Rihgu wrote:
Currently trying to figure out whether I want to spend actual money on a crazy unit idea that nobody will ever let me play...

Khorne-marked Havocs riding Juggernauts. A unit of 3 with lascannons. It... it isn't that hard to pull off (the conversion). It's so tempting.

Could use them as Obliterators.

You know what, running them as Obliterators wouldn't be an absolutely terrible idea. I don't have any real obliterators to check the height on them but the base size is correct, I think (50mm?)

Khorne Marked Obliterators aren't exactly the best unit in the world but hoo boy will people be shocked when they charge and fight twice

edit: and also at that point, I could probably do a bit more modding and cut the barrels off of the lascannons and swap them for reaper chaincannons (although it would be missing the ammo feed...) which would better represent that Assault 6 weapon.

Rihgu wrote:
You know what, running them as Obliterators wouldn't be an absolutely terrible idea. I don't have any real obliterators to check the height on them but the base size is correct, I think (50mm?)

Khorne Marked Obliterators aren't exactly the best unit in the world but hoo boy will people be shocked when they charge and fight twice

edit: and also at that point, I could probably do a bit more modding and cut the barrels off of the lascannons and swap them for reaper chaincannons (although it would be missing the ammo feed...) which would better represent that Assault 6 weapon.

Fix ac barrel in mouth of a jugger.

And size wise, they aren't too far off if memory serves right, with the nublits.
Also, don't laugh but obliterators aren't half bad in melee either, and their guns are assault soooooooo. Getting stuck in might well be worth it to not get shot easily.

Still not as good as slaanesh but the whole stratagem nonsense can go die in a fire imo....