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2006/07/26 14:27:02
Subject: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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Hehe, I had to start another one to suck everyone in. Ok, I've actually thought about this one, this survivor tests the army that is the most unoriginal, i.e., is so heavily based on an actual historical culture that the comparisons aren't even clever.
Black Templars / Knights Templar - 10
Necrons / Egyptian - 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican - 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian - 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian - 10
Kroot / Native North American - 10
Praetorians / British Colonials - 10
Tau / Feudal Japanese - 10
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism - 10
Bretonnians / French - 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians - 10
Kislev / Russian - 10
Enjoy, I think it is quite difficult.
- Oaka
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2006/07/26 14:28:00
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Dakka Veteran
Blackship Exhumation
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Black Templars / Knights Templar - 10
Necrons / Egyptian - 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican - 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian - 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian - 10
Kroot / Native North American - 10
Praetorians / British Colonials - 10
Tau / Feudal Japanese - 10
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism - 10
Bretonnians / French - 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians - 10
Kislev / Russian - 9-
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2006/07/26 14:56:12
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
Baltimore, MD
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Egyptian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 10
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11+
Tau / Feudal Japanese 10
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 10
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
By FAR the most obvious blatant cultural reference.
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Play the game, not the rules.
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2006/07/26 15:39:04
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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[DCM]
Tzeentch's Fan Girl
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Egyptian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 10
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 9-
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 10
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
How did the Bretonnians not get on this list?
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2006/07/26 16:40:33
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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Posted By Manfred von Drakken on 07/26/2006 8:39 PM
How did the Bretonnians not get on this list?
Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Egyptian 9-
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 10
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 9
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 10
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
They are third from the bottom there mr blind man.
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2006/07/26 17:32:47
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Egyptian 9-
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 10
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 8- Anime maybe, but not feudal Japan
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 10
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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2006/07/26 17:33:56
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Foul Dwimmerlaik
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The list is inherently flawed by interpretation.
Catholicism isnt a culture either, arguably. But that i can go with. The egyptian reference is very wrong though. Think more Mesopotamian/Chaldean.
Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 9
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Mesopotamian 9
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 8
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11+
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
The reasoning that I think the sisters are the best reference is that they are a militant nunnery sect, who definatly dont believe in the seperation of church and state. Very catholic. Religion is power. They wield that power like a pagan hammer.
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2006/07/26 17:35:00
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Dakka Veteran
Blackship Exhumation
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 7-
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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2006/07/26 17:45:49
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 6 -
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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Ultio et timor
Adeo mori servus Imperator Fictus
Ave Dominus Nox |
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2006/07/26 18:09:34
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
Baltimore, MD
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 5-
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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Play the game, not the rules.
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2006/07/26 19:02:42
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
SoCal
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 11+
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 10
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 5
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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2006/07/26 19:03:47
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
somewhere not playing 40K...bummer
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Posted By KiMonarrez on 07/26/2006 11:09 PM
Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 10
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American -9 ( cause they hide in trees and wear feathers...please)
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 5
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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" They were'nt Nazi's Walter they were nihilists!", " They kept saying they beleive in nothing."
"...Nihilists?....", " Say what you will about National Socailism, at least it's an ethos."
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2006/07/26 19:57:08
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Fireknife Shas'el
A bizarre array of focusing mirrors and lenses turning my phrases into even more accurate clones of
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10 Necrons / Mesopotamian 9 - Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10 Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10 Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9 Kroot / Native North American 9 Praetorians / British Colonials 11 Tau / Feudal Japanese 5 Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11 Bretonnians / French 10 Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10 Kislev / Russian 9 Most people think of Terminator when they think Necrons. Not any ancient culture nobody cares about. 
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2006/07/26 20:40:03
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 9
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 4 -
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Not Feudal Japanese. Otaku, maybe...
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Ultio et timor
Adeo mori servus Imperator Fictus
Ave Dominus Nox |
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2006/07/26 20:48:37
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Been Around the Block
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 8 -
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 4
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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2006/07/26 21:46:40
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Been Around the Block
The British Army, so could be any old sh*t hole in the world.
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 7 -
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 11 +
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 12 +
Tau / Feudal Japanese 3 -
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 12 +
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
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2006/07/26 22:30:25
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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One vote at a time, cabbage. I count five votes in your post?
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Ultio et timor
Adeo mori servus Imperator Fictus
Ave Dominus Nox |
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2006/07/26 23:12:43
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Dakka Veteran
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 7-
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 4
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire/Holy Roman Empire 10 - I can use most of my Empire army figs to play Historicals
Ignored Cabbage since I can't figure out what he was doing.
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2006/07/26 23:46:33
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Plastictrees
Amongst the Stars, In the Night
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Arghhh, not another one? Can we stop after this one? Please? Pretty please?
Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 7
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Valhallans / Soviet Russian 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 11
Tau / Feudal Japanese 3-
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire/Holy Roman Empire 10
Empire, IMHO, closer references the English Civil War than it does the Holy Roman Empire. As xnet445 points out, quite a few Historicals players use Empire figs (or, as more common at the old LFGS, use ECW/WAB historicals to field Empire armies). Anyhow, voted down Tau as they really don't reference feudal Japan at all.
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2006/07/27 00:05:10
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Posted By nyarlathotep667 on 07/27/2006 4:46 AM
Arghhh, not another one? Can we stop after this one? Please? Pretty please?
Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 6
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Womb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Tau / Feudal Japanese 2-
Sisters of Bottle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mingolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Necrons / Hello kitty 10
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
YEah, dakka software strikes again! (I am forced to quote from work instead of copy and paste. Don't ask)
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2006/07/27 00:08:23
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
Los Angeles
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 6
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Womb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Tau / Feudal Japanese 1 -
Sisters of Bottle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mingolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
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Ultio et timor
Adeo mori servus Imperator Fictus
Ave Dominus Nox |
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2006/07/27 00:08:51
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Been Around the Block
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 6
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Womb Kings / Egyptian 9
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Tau / Feudal Japanese 0 -
Sisters of Bottle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mingolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
Xeno scum.
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2006/07/27 01:16:42
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 6
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Womb Kings / Egyptian 8-
Kroot / Native North American 9
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sisters of Bottle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mingolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
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2006/07/27 01:36:48
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Plastictrees
Amongst the Stars, In the Night
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 6
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Womb Kings / Egyptian 8
Krootauns / Native North American 8-
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sissies of Bottle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mingolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
I fail to see how Kroot refer to Native Americans.
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2006/07/27 01:42:06
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Dakka Veteran
Orlando, Florida
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 5-
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 8
Kroot / Native North American 8
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mingolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
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2006/07/27 01:57:33
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 5
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 8
Kroot / Native North American (and Thailand) 7-
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 10
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10 Kroot are a tricky one. Because of their fieldcraft and auxillary status, plus the way their society works, many gamers have modeled them with a native american look. However, their name 'Kroot' is a Thailand god, I believe, and Angkhor Prok is a city in Thailand. So, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where GW stole their ideas from, but they are not an original creation. - Oaka
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2006/07/27 02:22:20
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
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what?
no Orks/british football hooligan culture?
SURELY! ah well.
Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 5
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 10
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 8
Kroot / Native North American (and Thailand) 7
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 11+
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
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2006/07/27 02:49:13
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 5
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 4
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 6
Kroot / Native North American (and Thailand) 7
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 12+
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
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2006/07/27 04:33:43
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Fireknife Shas'el
A bizarre array of focusing mirrors and lenses turning my phrases into even more accurate clones of
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Black Templars / Knights Templar 10
Necrons / Mesopotamian 4 -
Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 4
Tomb Kings / Egyptian 6
Kroot / Native North American (and Thailand) 7
Praetorians / British Colonials 12
Sisters of Battle / Catholicism 11
Bretonnians / French 10
Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 12
Kislev / Russian 9
Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
Guess some of the people voting are again thinking this is an army popularity contest.
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2009, Year of the Dog
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2006/07/27 04:45:51
Subject: RE: Survivor: Most Blatant Cultural Reference to an Army
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Plastictrees
Amongst the Stars, In the Night
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Posted By Oaka on 07/27/2006 6:57 AMKroot are a tricky one. Because of their fieldcraft and auxillary status, plus the way their society works, many gamers have modeled them with a native american look. However, their name 'Kroot' is a Thailand god, I believe, and Angkhor Prok is a city in Thailand. So, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where GW stole their ideas from, but they are not an original creation. - Oaka
There is no such city as Angkhor Prok. There is, however, Angkor Wat, which is in Cambodia. My guess is people think "Thai" since the name/letter combinations are more familiar given the popularity of their fine cusine. In reality, Kroot have no connections (that I'm aware of) to either Thai, Cambo/Khmer, or Native American culture at all. Possibly jungle fieldcraft, but that goes for any indigenous/naturalized people living in jungle environments, from Southeast Asia to Africa or Central and South America. Throw in cannibalism, shapers/shaping, and their (somewhat) auxillary status and they are far closer to indigenous Africans or Central/South Americans.  Black Templars / Knights Templar 10 Necrons / Mesopotamian 5 Lizardmen / Mesoamerican 4 Womb Kings / Egyptian 6 Kroot / Cannibalistic Native Jungle Peoples? -6 Praetorians / British Colonials 12 Sisters of Bottle / Catholicism 11 Bretonnians / French 10 Ogre Kingdoms / Mongolians 12 Kislev / Russian 9 Empire / Holy Roman Empire 10
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