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 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Welp, got my Codex.

Read through. Am still in shock at the disappearance of Cult Troops for WE and EC.

Also it seems that rather than allowing us to make 'successor' warbands GW's approach to Legion Traits is 'if you're not Legion X you must take Renegade by default.' Will be interesting to see how tournaments rule that - personally trying to decide whether my Death Guard will be sporting some IW Trait and Relic or possibly the Alpha Legion trait.....

Chaos legions have sub factions several are shown in the codex for black legion and there are a few mentioned, so if you're playing either a known sub faction like one of the ones listed for Black legion or own personal warband who are descended from one of the chaos legions I don't see many caring.

yeahthe renegades I see as more for "yeah these guys have no ties to any of the legions, and the legoions don't work for em so just use this" at the same time however if I'm running a chapter that was say... a renegade Imperial fists sucessor I would HOPE no one would object to my using the iron warriors tactics

I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)

Oldmike wrote:
I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)

You can't do a Tzeentch World Eater army: all World Eaters need the Khorne keyword.

I wonder what the apparent loss of Cult Troops means for, say, the Thousand Sons.

Nothing, since they'll have them as troops in their Codex when it releases.

Makes sense, Plague Marines with Obsec would be hard to shift in mass.

Yeah if DG/tsons don't get obj secured with plague marines/rubrics in their own armies I have no idea why you'd even take them. I mean, maybe if the DG terminators are godawful, but that's not a promising line of thought. With tsons we already know there is just a better version of rubrics sitting in that elite slot.

It'd be nice to just once not have a codex screw us over in some way. Just once GW. You were so close this time but you just couldn't fight back those old instincts to ruin at least something for CSM. Infuriating.

I suppose the only legion who really cares is EC. Zerkers aren't for sitting on objectives, but that's mostly what you'd use noise marines for with their range and various boosts that make charging and killing them dangerous to the attacking unit.

 mrhappyface wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)

You can't do a Tzeentch World Eater army: all World Eaters need the Khorne keyword.

Where in the codex is this rule

Oldmike wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
I was also shocked by the if not part of the legion you must use renagade rule also I was thinking of doing a world eater Tzeentch army (units my thousand sons can't use)

You can't do a Tzeentch World Eater army: all World Eaters need the Khorne keyword.

Where in the codex is this rule

Pg. 116, last paragraph of <Mark of Chaos> section.

It says "must have khorne keyword if they are able to", it doesn't disallow you from taking units which can't have the khorne keyword, such as plague marines, noise marines, or rubrics.

Is it an oversight? Probably. But who knows, they already bent the fluff over and really laid into it with the change to cult troops, so maybe rubric world eaters are fluffy now. Anything is possible given how little the game designers care.

Well just commenting on the quality of the Chaos Codex. I have to say I'm extremely impressed by the writing this time around. The Fluff was all good in my opinion, even the little quote blurbs were cool. I have to assume the had some of the Black Library writers help out as the writing is much improved.

I really like the rules as well. The troop issue is the only sore point for me but otherwise I'm satisfied with it.


I loved the bit where a Slaaneshi Warband cut all of the cybernetic out of some Ad Mech/Skitarii and replaced them with spawn and daemon bits. Why? Because cybernetic are an affront to the "Flesh" and thus a blasphemy against Slaanesh. Great stuff. Anything that pushes Slaanesh in the direction of Hellraiser is welcome in my book.

Also did we get a hint at a future Emperor's Children codex? The EC form a pact with Dark Mechanicum to create daemon engines equipped with sonic weapons. Also the Fleshlings of Sensoria which are the above with bionics replaced with "flesh". Which makes me think that when ever is comes our Poxwalker/Tzaangor equivalent will be some kind of haemoculi or other flesh-crafted gimps.

 Sersi wrote:
Well just commenting on the quality of the Chaos Codex. I have to say I'm extremely impressed by the writing this time around. The Fluff was all good in my opinion, even the little quote blurbs were cool. I have to assume the had some of the Black Library writers help out as the writing is much improved.

I really like the rules as well. The troop issue is the only sore point for me but otherwise I'm satisfied with it.

It feels a definate step up from the last codex. amusingly despite not introducing anything for chaos (well beynd exaulted champions) the codex feels less "phoned in" then the 6th edition one.

Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.

Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.

What more do you want?

new generic chaos marines?

An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

angel of death 007 wrote:
Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.

To be fair, 8th ed is a complete overhaul and they put themselves in a position where they want to get everyone on the same page with a codex as quickly as possible (oddly* right after getting everyone on the same page with an index).

Plus they're finally given the legions the attention they deserve, first with Thousand Sons and now Death Guard.

And finally they're still the (loyalist) Space Marine company. All of this combines to not having the production capacity to give everyone equal consideration when it comes to new models.



*It's not really odd - they're handing out free rules in codices again and throwing any pretense of balance overboard so a game codex against index is kind of pointless.

 dan2026 wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.

Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.

What more do you want?

Just vanilla marines, chosen, terminators, possessed, havocs, obliterators, power armoured lord and sorceror, berzerkers, noise marines, etc. Just 90 percent of the range. A dark eldar type overhaul. The nurgle and tzeentch release was pretty awesome. But theres still the other 90 percent.

I really do think the end goal is to push for a big codex for Slaanesh and Khorne and let the basic CSM disappear. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack of generic CSM kits for the foreseeable future.

Was there any update to the Bloat Drone included in the DI set or Plague Drones overall?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Was there any update to the Bloat Drone included in the DI set or Plague Drones overall?

It doesn't appear in the CSM book as they are DG exclusive.

 dan2026 wrote:

angel of death 007 wrote:
Chaos gets a codex and no releases to accompany it. Just goes to show that GW should just become a full publishing company.

Dude in a matter of weeks we are getting new Plague Marines, Plague Terminators, Typhus, Mortarion, a new tank, other Death Guard dudes including a guy with a skull abacus.
Then after that we are rumoured to be getting new Deamons.

What more do you want?

Something for CSM rather than something for the Death Guard faction.

 IFC_Casting wrote:
Makes sense, Plague Marines with Obsec would be hard to shift in mass.

DG Plague marines will have ObSec, and will definitely be in large amounts.

 combatcotton wrote:
An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

Some people just need to wait for their turn

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 combatcotton wrote:
An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

Some people just need to wait for their turn

Codex just got released. Arguably, it was 'their turn'

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 combatcotton wrote:
An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

Some people just need to wait for their turn

Codex just got released. Arguably, it was 'their turn'

GW thought otherwise. They will come, shouldnt be too long

 Elbows wrote:
I really do think the end goal is to push for a big codex for Slaanesh and Khorne and let the basic CSM disappear. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack of generic CSM kits for the foreseeable future.

Oh, the Emperor's Children and World Eaters codices are definitely coming, eventually. But the base CSM Codex isn't going anywhere, it's primarily a Black Legion Codex. Just as the C:SM Codex is primarily Ultramarines. Basically, Chaos Marine books will have 5 books similar to Codex Space Marines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and Grey Knights, etc.

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 combatcotton wrote:
An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

Some people just need to wait for their turn

Codex just got released. Arguably, it was 'their turn'

GW thought otherwise. They will come, shouldnt be too long

Why are you posting the Battle Sisters' tagline in a Chaos thread?

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 combatcotton wrote:
An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

Some people just need to wait for their turn

Codex just got released. Arguably, it was 'their turn'

GW thought otherwise. They will come, shouldnt be too long

I can only assume that you're a new player.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 combatcotton wrote:
An Abaddon for starters.
And Obliterators, Noice Marines, Zerkerz, Havocs, ...

If that means less for the stinking spiky marines so be it.

Some people just need to wait for their turn

Codex just got released. Arguably, it was 'their turn'

GW thought otherwise. They will come, shouldnt be too long

I can only assume that you're a new player.

26 years and ive worked at GW as well, so no, im not