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Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut





Okay, after following the various discussions on the subject, I think I'm ready to hammer this out. Here's what I'm thinking:

Cmdr Farsight
-4x Shas'Vre w/ PR, MP, TA, HWMT, HWTL, Shield Drone x2
-2x Shas'Vre w/ PR, FB, TA, HWMT, Shield Drone x2
-Shas'Vre w/ AFP, TL Flamer, Failsafe Detonator, HWMT, HWTL, Shield Drone x2 (978)

Shas'O w/ PR, CIB, Vectored Thrusters, HWMT (125)

Fire Warriors x6
-Shas'Ui w/ Markerlight (80)

Fire Warriors x6
-Shas'Ui w/ Markerlight (80)

Crisis x3 w/ TLMP, Flamer
-Team Leader w/ HWTL, Shield Drone x2 (134)

Piranha w/ Fusion and TA (70)

Railhead w/ SMS, MT, TL, DL (180)

Broadsides x2 w/ AdvSS
-Team Leader w/ HWTL, Shield Drones x2 (200)

Total: 1847pts

The Farsight unit is pretty similar to the one in the discussion. I swiped the AFP/Flamer suit idea from Spooky's list, and figured that that would be the best candidate for the Failsafe, since it's the cheapest suit in the squad.

The Vector'O is mainly there to kill stuff and to tie things up in close combat, making target management for the big unit a bit easier. Went with the PR/CIB configuration to add a bit of extra anti-horde potential, since goodness knows a list like this needs it.

I decided to give the Fire Warriors markerlights so that they could actually make a contribution to the overall strategy, rather than sitting on their blue butts like some others would have them do. I figure they aren't a direct threat, so they should be relatively safe once the suits get going. The Ld8 also makes them a (very) little bit more reliable in hanging around to contest objectives or table quarters. Also, what else would I do with those 40pts that would be more effective? I suppose I could drop the target locks on the Crisis and Broadsides and use that to get me another Deathrain suit, but meh.

Again, to increase the effectiveness of this list against hordes, I went with Flamers as the third hardpoint on the Deathrain suits.

Well, that's about it. Let me know what you think.
   
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looks ok. i took this to a tournament:

farsight - 170
bodyguard, AFP, flamer, 2 shield drones, multitracker, targetlock (99)
bodyguard, plasma/fusion, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, plasma/fusion, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, failsafe detonator (127)

(bodyguard total: 811
farsight unit total: 981)

shas'el fireknife-5 - 97

2 elite deathrain, 1xBSF, 1x targetlock - 46+48
1 elite deathrain, BS4 - 53
4 stealth - 120

6 firewarriors with deck chairs - 60
6 firewarriors with score cards - 60

2 broadsides, ASS, 2 shield drones, bonded, targetlock - 200
railhead - 185

1850
   
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I swiped the AFP/Flamer suit idea from Spooky's list, and figured that that would be the best candidate for the Failsafe, since it's the cheapest suit in the squad.


he's a good suit, certainly. in a lot of games he won't do much, but its valuable having a large blast that's indirect and ignores cover, in some situations you can't replace that with any amount of plasma.


but the thing with putting failsafe on that guy is, the price of the guns aren't important cos they're all in the same unit so for scoring it doesn't matter.
you should put the failsafe onto a suit which you think you're least likely to need to use if you've just been run down. if you can rally (ie you got out of 6" of the enemy models), you may want to re-charge what's left, this means shooting it first, this means template weapons are useful for you.

you have to imagine the situation in which you get swept and use the failsafe. its going to be if you're outnumbered loads, or in combat with a walker (dread) that farsight didn't manage to kill

so, i kept it away from the fusion guys, and put my failsafe on a fireknife. there's a chance i thought that i could use the failsafe if i get outnumbered and swamped, in which case the AFP/flamer guy is going to be more useful than another fireknife.



the vector'O. i played for a while with a Ninja'O (fusion, shield, stims, VRT = 127) because he can do a lot of things for the army. hit and run is hilarious, having a BS5 meltagun running around in the back of the enemy's lines by turn 2 is ace.

he can do a lot of things, if you play him well.
-he can charge a shooty unit, sit in combat for 2 turns to prevent it firing at you
-he can charge a combat unit, sit in combat for 2 turns to prevent it charging farsight's unit
-he can deepstrike at something like a ordnance tank, and not be in too much danger from getting killed
-he can hide in the bosum of the farsight's unit's shield drones and not be shot, so you actually have a chance of getting him forward
-provides another option of killing ordnance tanks, which are a huge threat to the farsight unit (especially indirect ordnance)

but, i've recently dropped him from my list. he has a few downsides, that if its not safe to go forwards, or i face a horde army, he can't do anything at all with his 12" range single shot gun (doh)
and he shouldn't charge anything with a powerfist in the squad unless you contact the edge of the unit so the fist isn't swinging, but that'd mean you have to jump out straight away

in the tournament list above, i swapped him for another fireknife. (i also didn't get the fusion piranha painted in time, and suffered to a indirect defiler)
the list doesn't really need another fireknife though, it needs units which support farsight, things to fix the problems i'd face. and that means fusion basically, i need to be able to get rid of tanks that i can't broadside or reach with farsight.


so currently i'm using a plasma/fusion shas'el for 97 pts. it means i can deepstrike him at tanks if i have to, but he doesn't have the durability of the ninja. (this is still a good trade to protect farsight though)
he also has a plasma gun which means the suit can sit in the middle of the shield drones and just operate like another bodyguard if i dont need to drop him.



also, you've got targetlocks on the fireknives and the AFP guy, but not on the fusion/plasma guys. i'm not so sure about that, its important for charging. you won't often need to charge a vehicle, str5 crisis aren't useful for that. you're more likely to charge infantry. so i'd targetlock the fusion, use that to shoot a tank, and then charge at infantry in the same turn, which means you don't need targetlocks for the suits which shot the infantry, so you wouldn't have needed targetlocks on the fireknives.

the elite crisis, i don't like. just take 3 seperate ones, with twin missiles and target array, 53 pts. dont need shield drones cos they're cheap and have enough range to utilise almost any of the available terrain.
   
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Thanks for the input. Point taken about the FD. A Fireknife would likely be the best place for it. I'll shuffle around the target locks too. Come to think of it, it'd be useful to fire Fusion at two separate vehicles if need be. My original thinking was that I could just count those two suits as the unit's main target and split fire from there. The problem that would create in charging just didn't occur to me.

As for the Shas'O, I certainly follow your reasoning. I think I'll keep him for now and see how he does, but there's certainly room for change if things don't work out.

And yeah, I should know better than to lump my Crisis suits together like that. I think it just came from force of habit, normally having all three Elite slots filled up. I'll split em up.

Once I get a good bit of practice with this list, I might start using it in tournaments, perhapes even next year's Adepticon. I'd have to shell out for five or six more suits and six or eight more shield drones, though. Currently, I'm using a few stand-ins just so I can make a few test runs.
   
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i made my shield drones from gundrones with a shield generator underneath. and i didn't have enough, so i cloned the generators in greenstuff, its pretty easy.

do you play alpha level games? if so, farsight really struggles with scoring units.
also, its not as powerful as at 1500 anyway, because the enemy has 350 pts more to shoot at farsight, and also more units on the board so if you get into combat, he has more things around so its more likely you get bogged down by multiple units piling in. those 350 pts make a lot of difference, because farsight doesn't get any bigger, but he has more threats to face.
   
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i think this might be the best 1850 farsight, its certainly low-fat:

farsight - 170
bodyguard, AFP, flamer, 2 shield drones, multitracker, targetlock (99)
bodyguard, plasma/fusion, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, plasma/fusion, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, targetlock (117)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array (112)
bodyguard, fireknife, 2 shield drones, target array, failsafe detonator (127)

(bodyguard total: 806
farsight unit total: 976)

shas'el plasma, fusion, BS5 - 97

4 stealths - 120
1 elite deathrain, BSF - 46
1 elite deathrain, BSF - 46

6 firewarriors with deck chairs - 60
6 firewarriors with score cards - 60

piranha, BS4 fusion - 70

2 broadsides, ASS, 2 shield drones, bonded - 195
railhead - 180

1850
   
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Canada

I'd love to see someone field this at a tournament, with the Firewarriors modeled sitting in deck chairs with score cards.

And umbrella drinks.



-S

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I'm working on it. Up til 1500 I also use the 6 Fws and I'm busy making them deck chairs out of toothpicks and I stole some of drink umbrellas from my holiday hotel in Lloret de Mar, so I'm hoping to have them done by the next tournament.
Still trying to make them sit properly though, its quite hard.

-"Subtle is subjective, of course; in a finesseless game like 40K, anything that isn't a brick to the head is downright sneaky..." ->lord_sutekh 
   
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i always wanted to make my kroot little camp fires and picnics and such cos they often spent most of their time camping in the woods
   
 
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