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With the new Forgeworld Traitor guard figs coming out I thought it might be time to put together my Blood Pact army.  I am of two minds as to which list to use.  The white dwarf article detailing the Blood Pact background suggests using the LaTD.  If I do this the core of the list might look something like this:

Archheretic (Chaos marine Lieut.)

Chosen Bodyguard

Loxatl (Big Mutants)

Traitor Squad 1

Traitor Squad 2

Traitor Squad 3

Stalk Tank (Defiler)

Stalk Tank (Defiler)

Stalk Tank (Defiler)

There are plenty of points left over at 1850.  Me thinks you could really make a tough army here.

The obvious advantages of this list would be creating a very shooty list with some really tough hth troops.  You could easilty take a squad of chosen with the Mark of Khorne for your arch heretics bodyguard.  In essence, Khorne Bezerkers with a Khorne Lord.  I know the Blood Pact don't often take marine allies but you could model them as Blood Pact in power armor.

The second option is to use the Guard Codex with witch hunter or daemon hunter allies.  The Loxatl could be Ogryn and the standard guard organization could be used.  The arch heretic could use inquisitor profile and wargear.  I could use defilers to represent captured Leman Russ'.  This list offers more variety and probably represents the Blood pacts more rigid command structure.

Any thoughts on which structure to use?

 

   
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Swerike

In my mind the LatD list is "better" suited for this kind of list. The numbers of regular Pact soldiers that this lacks can be changed if you use mutants as some kind of Pact assault troopers. But the I.G list would be too much standard Guard, and no really reliable ways to assault.

One or two chaos marine squads could be justified, by making them Word Bearers (they were in one of the Ghost books, right?).

You should probably go light on the daemons (maybe sub them as Loxatls), and rely on the mutans squad backed by aspiring champions for assault.


With the galaxy as large as it is the odds of the average guardsmen seeing and fighting a marine or MEQ are relatively slim. Unfortunately the guardsmen in your (and anyone else who plays IG's) army are the REALLY, REALLY LUCKY ones that fight marines ALL the time... 
   
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Unfortunately, I'd have to disagree with Banesword about which list is better suited. Bloodpact is heavily armed armored and disciplined factoin, right? Given this, I'd assume that 5+ save ld 7 groun-pounders aren't quite what you're after.

What I would do is take the guard list with the grenediers doctrine, mount everyone (all 5 squads) in chimeras and use this as the base for your rapid response elite chaos army. If you're worried about assault potential, buy an allied squad of grey knight teleporters and use the bloodletter models. Need fast stuff? Rough riders with all of the acoutrement and chaos hound/fleshhound models. Still not enough? Get a GK hero and termie bodyguard to represent the arch-heretic or demonic nastiness. Want some indirrect fire? Bassalisks=defilers.

Heck, looking back at this, you could even use the demonhunter codex, although you wouldn't have as much heavy support, which is more characteristic of a guard list.

Ultimately it's up to you as both are great lists (LaTD and guard) for what you're trying to do.

cheers
   
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Thanks for responding.  Good points.  The Death Brigade rules would allow me to fill out the elites section with more troop bodies.  I found the rules on this website:

http://www.redelf.h1.ru/w40k/w40k_bloodpact.html 

Not a bad resource website.  Some other interesting things.

The Death brigade basically can give you guard in carapace armor with a chaos marine skill for assault troops led by a vet sarge and possibly chaos aspiring champions if you take that option.  This would fulfill the assault role and taking the skill makes them elites plumping out the numbers.  Carapace assault troopers with a Khrone Bezerker aspiring champion?

Thanks for the idea with the demons.  I did not think of using these for loxatl.  Now, to find the right one.  I like using the big mutants because you can take two heavy stubbers.  I was thinking of using genestealers for this and modeling on the stubbers which should get me close to the fleshette guns used in the fluff.  The downside is that big mutants have a low initiative and the loxatl are supposed to be fast. 

   
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ether dude, you raise some good points too.  Hence my dilema.  Thanks for posting.  I am going to have to play around with the lists.  My ultimate goal is shooty guard with great mobile hth.  The holy grail of guard armies.
   
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Albany, NY

Good luck with the Blood Pact - they always turn out to be some of my favorite armies, whether traitor IG or LatD hordes. If you're looking for inspiration, check out Hammer's Blood Pact (here and here for tournament shots, courtesy Migsula).

Also, I'm never sure how many people saw this, but GW put out Loxatl rules for the Sabbat Crusade a while ago. Unofficial, but still nifty.

Luck! Can't wait for pics.

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yeah dude your army isn't blood pact!
you don't have any blood pact toops!

another thing.. big mutants are the worst units EVER and third use leaping mutants for loxalt if you even want to include them.

also traitors are horrible i'm not including them in my blood pact and i'm going to use oblits to represent stalk tanks WOOT thanks i'm a nub for forums and you don't like my grammar TEACH ME!


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The Hammer

My $0.18: (loonie's up to 90 cents! woot to shoppin' in the states!)

No offense to your taste in figures, ironwarrior333, but the foregworld upgrade pack for Renegade militia isn't, um, the best marriage of price and quality IMHO. You get UPGRADES for other figures at the same cost as those figures? Bleah! Were I you, I'd just buy some round bases and muck around with some Marauders, Cadians/Catachans - huge arms look pretty Khornesque to me - maybe a few Warriors for obviously Chaotic Assault armour, and the Chaos mutation sprue - you could practically do the whole thing out of boxes, especially if you bought it all before assembling. If you just want face masks, you can just model them on - if they look a little crude, well, do you suppose the basic troops get artisan treatment for their facewear? Maybe grab some Redemptionists to chop up into leaders/use headswops from Chaos Warriors - guys with a sack over their head just don't look particularly special to me.

On the other hand, if you're really wanting to give some money to forge world and don't mind a slightly more uniform look, why not do a company of Traitor Kriegsmen recently sworn to the Pact? Yeah, they're incedibly expensive, but unlike the upgrade pact you actually get bloody amazing models that you COULD NOT - unless you're an accomplished amateur sculpter - hope to replicate with basic GW products and greenstuff.

Thos two links look pretty interesting - Death Brigades look like they would be a waste of points as proper Elites, frankly. 11 points for a guy with a 5+ save is stiff enough before you throw in for veterans skills, carapace armour, the requisite ten points to MAKE them elite in the first place - bleah, why not just be satisfied with the potential to run a few pie plates as troops? Even paying a twenty point penalty per unit as compared to a comparable IG unit, demo charges are still massively nasty, and with six troops slots you wouldn't have to cut too far into your mutant mobs/lascannon teams to take a few. I GUESS if you're running a very troops heavy list all ready - which due to your list it doesn't seem - that the extra ten MIGHT be worth it to put them in elites if you found a certain setup that really, really worked well, but these guys are Troops Traitor Demo Squads, plain and simple. They're called the Death Brigade and they should be a sacrificial unit bent on bringing down their points in kills rather than surviving the battle. A 30 point squad with a 35 point bomb.

The Loxatl rules look like they could be some fun - hmm, Beasts AND Pinning AND Rending? They have some very cool tactical potential, even if they'll die like expensive dogs to missiles and powerfists. Still, with I5 4A S4 on the charge, they could rough up and lock a dedicated shooting squad reasonably easily, and Stealth somewhat improves their usefulness in Cityfight. No cheap and cheerful Rough Riders, these, but I'd try them out if you're doing a conversion anyways.

Genestealers are a leetle too small for big mutants, IMHO - and they're troops with I6, so representing low I fat guys is kind of like trying to get Freddy Krueger to sub in for Jason Voorhees. You could spend some of the money you saved on not shelling out for the upgrade packs on some plastic Ogres - a little common but easy to convert - or, if you don't mind messing around with green stuff and crazy glue, Fantasy Trolls might look pretty good - just give them any old large gun and a few spikes and you have some suitably oversized versions of those Necromundan Scalies that ran around with the Scavvies in that game's expansion set.

On the Chaos Marine allies front, I'd suspect bikes and/or Raptors might work for the role you want - mobile attack - though both are expensive units and I am extremely unfamiliar with the Chaos list.

Hopefully this was somewhat helpful.

@Orlock: Welcome!...also your grammar isn't that bad. Sentence fragments and smilies are par for the course on message boards - start using numbers in the place of letters and deliberately mispelling words, however, and we will have to track you, punch you in the goolies and steal your miniatures.

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