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Madrak Ironhide

Here's the official word in an unofficial update. I'm not going to go into too much detail here, but my hope is to be able to put together another Q&A chat around the end of next month when we can adress this subject at more length.

HORDES: Evolution (the book) will release at Gen Con Indy 2007. Yes, this is somewhat of a deviation of what we had originally planned (by about four months). The last year of development on both HORDES and WARMACHINE has shown us a lot and we're finding our pacing for the development and release of these products. Now, this does not in any way increase the amount of time waiting for Primal models. We still plan to have all of those out at our pre-forcasted time (which I don't have in front of me so I won't quote, but I'm sure some of you do) and then we'll begin releasing models that will be found in Evolution pretty much right away. There won't be any lag in the releases whatsoever, but like Superiority, the book containing the models will release about four months after the first models start coming out. Ample information will be available in No Quarter during those times as well, so you won't be hurting for new stuff in HORDES.

Similarly, this pattern will not affect the model releases for WARMACHINE— there will still be releases nearly every month. It just means there will be a wider gap between the actual books, and the books themselves will be on the thicker side (more on Evolution in a second).

<!--emo&<_<-->Again, to reiterate— you're not going to see gaps in support for either of the games, and no one is going to fall back on 'giving you more time to paint' in order to placate your desire to get new things. We're finding our pacing in all of this, and the books take a certain amount of time to do well. (Clearly, they can always use a little more time in order to perfect! <!--endemo--> ) However, there are additional reasons for us establishing a more liberal development schedule— we're going to be making more products. We have several game projects in the works, things we've been wanting to do for a long time and things that we know a lot of people are hoping to see from us. We'll continue to explore the Iron Kingdom in many different ways and there are some fantastic games that we have in store that will allow us to do that. As well, we have a couple of other potential surprise releases for both WARMACHINE and HORDES that will take your mind off any stretch of time between book releases. (Forget guessing though, surprise mean 'SURPRISE!') We're also hoping to get some official fiction publications done, art books, and of course, you've got No Quarter Magazine for a regular infusion of new material. There is some fantastic material going in there for both HORDES and WARMACHINE over the next 4-5 issues that will add great utility to your games.

Okay, speaking about Evolution, I'll give you guys a little advance knowledge about what we're hoping to achieve in that book:

While it's not possible to catch HORDES up to WARMACHINE in terms of actual number of possible options, what we do plan on doing is covering many of the options that create discrepancies between the two games. Things like weapon crews, cavalry and unit attachments as well as additional warlocks and more standard 'filling out' of each of the armies will be found in Evolution. According to our current outline, HORDES: Evolution will probably be our biggest book yet in terms of total model entries, so it's going to dump a whole load of options out there for your army building pleasure, and effectively make HORDES competitively diverse with WARMACHINE in all ways. Currently, there are no plans for Epic Warlocks in Evolution, though—probably the only thing you won't be seeing in there.

Hopefully that helps you understand a little bit about where we're headed, and if we can find the time next month, we'll see if we can get together a full on Q&A to help answer some of the more detailed questions.


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"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude 
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Longtime Dakkanaut

Damn thats nice and refreshing coming on the heels of the GW FAQ release......

Hey GW, take note, a bit of honesty goes a long way.

Hope more old fools come to their senses and start giving you their money instead of those Union Jack Blood suckers...  
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!

Soviet Kanukistan

I was just talking to another fellow about how PP's release system could do a lot to fix GW's balance problems.  If they had released a "ravening hordes" style list at the beginning of 4th edition, and then say, revamped each mechanic all the way across the board, you wouldn't have the retarde problems with Space Marine psykers shutting down everyone's psychic powers, Eldar psykers shutting down enemy psychic powers and Tyranids not being able to cast anything before eating a lascannon bolt!.

So, essentially, if they did "White Dwarf" updates, followed by an Annual, and THEN, after 3 years of tweaks, released all consolidated Codexes at once...!  Fancy that!  Everyone gets updates and then after 5 years of alternate lists, sub-dexes and possibly a new army or two, you're ready for a new edition!

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Regular Dakkanaut

Alpharetta, GA

Maybe they don't have the best models and there will always be questions about the rules (any game system will have questions), but it's this kind of stuff that has PP on top of customer service. When I buy their models I feel like I'm supporting a company that cares about its customers and is 'for the gamer'. GW may be bigger, but that is no excuse for being so out of touch and having such contempt for the people that support them.

Keezus - Just curious about your comments on psychic powers. How do Space Marines "shut down everyone's psychic powers"? I can't seem to find anything in their Codex that does this. If you are talking about the Psychic hood, it's been around for as long as the game. Also, how do Eldar do it? They don't have a new codex so anything is just speculation. I haven't found anything in the current Eldar codex that shuts down enemy psychic powers. As for Tyranids not being able to cast anything...welcome to the world of the IG player. My Leman Russ tanks never get to fire because every LasCannon on the table is gunning for them. Seeing as how GW 'tweaked' the vehicle hit charts in favor of not using vehicles, almost any glance (except a '5') and every penetrating hit means I can't shoot next turn.
Made in ca
Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!

Soviet Kanukistan

At the risk of getting off topic:  In 3rd edition, Librarians were worthless because they had to buy their psychic hoods, force weapons and had a laughable psychic power.  Sure the hood has been around a long time, but it wasn't attached to a worthwhile model.  Also, IIRC, librarians had Ld9 in 3rd, with no option to get the Ld10 beastie.  The unlimited range, unlimited use of the hood is borken against enemy psykers.

I concede that the Eldar one is conjecture.

About Leman Russes - at least you have AV14.  Haha

Back on topic:  I just enjoy playing a game where the rulebook is able to answer all rules disputes.  Failing that, the online FAQ is very comprehensive.  The other day, the wording on Madrak's Axe Throw *Ricochet was a little ambiguious, and it was the first thing on the FAQ.  Ricochet happens ONCE.

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