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It's a spitfire,not a HMG. There are more pics on the Miniwargaming website.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.281491658718528.1073741841.258093287725032&type=1

Thanks for that bigger, better pic - appreciated!

A spitfire ! That's new !

I do like the fusiliers.

These will be bought to go along with my ice storm box when it comes

 Alpharius wrote:

Makes me excited for what they've got in store for PanO and the Most Anticipated Sectorial In The World!

Indeed, Varuna is going to be awesome.


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Are fusiliers losing the HMG then? If Akalis are as well, makes me wonder if PanO are largely giving up on the weapon (maybe their high command heard about the N3 changes?)

 cincydooley wrote:
Are those new fusiliers?

Remember that releases now for Line Infantry go as such:
-The basic Rifleman profile is in your starter box.
-The boxed set of that Infantry will include your special weapon options.

The MiniWarGaming preview has the weapon labeled as "Spitfire" not "HMG". Usually that is not a mistake on the promotional photos, but that is entirely possible.
The Fusiliers are listed as two males and two females. The males are Missile Launcher(the goofiest model to date with the Missile Launcher Fashion Accessory) and Hacker while the females are Spitfire(or HMG) and MULTI Sniper Rifle.


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 Riquende wrote:

Are fusiliers losing the HMG then? If Akalis are as well, makes me wonder if PanO are largely giving up on the weapon (maybe their high command heard about the N3 changes?)

Akalis losing the HMG is more likely an attempt to tone down AD HMG combinations.

 Sangarn wrote:
A spitfire ! That's new !

Nice catch.

Nifty face on a hacker. MSR also has a nicely designed scope.

Tigers are also losing HMG, seems this weapon is going to be fairly limited. MSR on the other hand seems to remain rather common.

It's an HMG. The caption is a typo which has happened a few times before.

Riquende wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Makes me excited for what they've got in store for PanO and the Most Anticipated Sectorial In The World!

Indeed, Varuna is going to be awesome.

You can keep your water-logged wannabes - Svalarheima is where it is at!

I'd be shocked in the Fusilers don't pick up an HMG via a blister later on, though I suppose stranger things have happened, and will continue to happen!

 IJW wrote:
It's an HMG. The caption is a typo which has happened a few times before.

Not so often when it's on the actual photos that I recall.

The SpecOps were rife with the problem though. The Chandra SpecOps had the Corax's loadout listed for almost a month before they finally fixed it.

Looks it's a typo. Spitfire Bolt for comparison.

As IJW stated, its an HMG, you can compare it with the Bolt who actually has a Spifire and see that its not the same.

Ninjad by Knight.

I wonder what we'll see in the Alguacil special weapons box?

I already have the Alguacil hacker from the Corregidor box.


I wonder if they will do yet another Alguacil hacker sculpt, OR repack that little lady in that box, OR simply not include a hacker Alguacil at all?
The logical loadouts are: ML, HMG, MSR & hacker. Hopefully we won't be getting a repeat of the same model in 2 boxes.

AND speaking of hackers! Any clues on how hacking has changed in N3?!

They wouldn't repack the Hacker Alguacile most likely.

Expect ML, HMG, MSR, Combi Rifle+Light Grenade Launcher.

Possibly you might see an Alguacile with a Deployable Repeater but I highly doubt that.

The model itself looks more like a HMG rather than a Spitfire. Just based on the usual designs for PanO versions of both weapons. I understand that they want to nerf the HMG, but nerfing it and reducing the availability for most of existing units might be a bit too much.

Not to speak about the existing miniatures that would be not of use anymore.

Clearly an HMG

It most probably is a typo.

I'm a bit confused, not as to if the Fusiler has an HMG or a Spitfire (it tracks very closely to the HMG on the chart above), but why that HMG looks so different from the HMG I was thinking of, the one on the new Morats?



I get that different races, different tech bases and so on, but... I'm just thrown by how much smaller the PanO version is, even compared to what I think of as an HMG in real life (the famed MG-42 is much bigger, and that is only a medium machine gun). I suppose it comes down to imagining that an HMG is not something a human can fire from the shoulder but would need a bipod/tripod, and reserved for single man use by more-than-human infantry (power assisted armor, Morats, etc.).

PanO tech is just superiORRRR.

if you want an actual HMG who look like infinity's HMG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM312
just imagine the same gun 50 years later: more compact and no recoil at all.

Morats appear to intentionally make bulky weapons because they look more threatening.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
I'm a bit confused, not as to if the Fusiler has an HMG or a Spitfire (it tracks very closely to the HMG on the chart above), but why that HMG looks so different from the HMG I was thinking of, the one on the new Morats?

I get that different races, different tech bases and so on, but... I'm just thrown by how much smaller the PanO version is, even compared to what I think of as an HMG in real life (the famed MG-42 is much bigger, and that is only a medium machine gun). I suppose it comes down to imagining that an HMG is not something a human can fire from the shoulder but would need a bipod/tripod, and reserved for single man use by more-than-human infantry (power assisted armor, Morats, etc.).

CB has been toning down the size of weapons because they were obscenely huge early on

It probably also has to do with their campaign requirements, the extra bulk might be things a human type warfare does not need.

Buzzsaw wrote:I'm a bit confused, not as to if the Fusiler has an HMG or a Spitfire (it tracks very closely to the HMG on the chart above), but why that HMG looks so different from the HMG I was thinking of, the one on the new Morats?

Prevailing theory:

PsychoticStorm wrote:It most probably is a typo.

 Alpharius wrote:

Buzzsaw wrote:I'm a bit confused, not as to if the Fusiler has an HMG or a Spitfire (it tracks very closely to the HMG on the chart above), but why that HMG looks so different from the HMG I was thinking of, the one on the new Morats?

Prevailing theory:

PsychoticStorm wrote:It most probably is a typo.

Wait, now I'm more confused: the Fusilier pictured has (that is to say, is the proper model for) a Spitfire, or an HMG? If it's an HMG, then my original question stands: why is it so much smaller then the Morat equivalent?

 Sangarn wrote:
PanO tech is just superiORRRR.

if you want an actual HMG who look like infinity's HMG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM312
just imagine the same gun 50 years later: more compact and no recoil at all.

That's the thing: the gun you linked is the modern equivalent of he Morat guns, which is to it's huge. The gun weighs 20 kg, and needs to be placed on a tripod that weighs 20kg. I suppose we're getting into the "a wizard did it" realm, but it seems odd that a standard assault rifle looks almost identical to today's weapon, but the future HMG has decreased in weight by 80% or more.

I suppose the real question is: how important is the actual weapon on the model in the game? I mean, if I ran a model with, for example, a boarding shotgun as an HMG (or vice versa), is that allowed? 'Cause honestly, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the PanO Spitfire and HMG models from the other side of a table.

Weapons comparison:

Left: HMG ; Right: Spitfire


I think it's an HMG

The Fusilier's muzzle protrudes slightly like the HMG

The Fusilier's weapon is long like the HMG

The Fusilier has a top rail/handle like the HMG

The Fusilier has a stock like the HMG

The Fusilier has a curved handguard like the Spitfire

The Fusilier has a horizontal ammunition thing like the Spitfire

Look at the other factions Spitfires. They don't have a prominent muzzle nor any stock:

http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2012/miniatures/wildcats-multipurpose-tactical-unit/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2014/miniatures/sekban-naval-special-unit-2/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2013/miniatures/nesaie-alke-thorakitai-warrant-officer/
http://www.infinitythegame.com/infinity/en/2014/miniatures/raiden-seibutai/


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 Buzzsaw wrote:
If it's an HMG, then my original question stands: why is it so much smaller then the Morat equivalent?

Every race has different styles of different weapons.

Check out the new Haqqislam HMG:

It's noticeably smaller than the Morat HMG while still looking rugged and functional like Haqq equipment usually is.

well the problem is also that CB stupidly sized down female weapons, so the male combi rifle look bigger than the female HMG ...

 Absolutionis wrote:
Weapons comparison:

Left: HMG ; Right: Spitfire


I think it's an HMG

The Fusilier's muzzle protrudes slightly like the HMG

The Fusilier's weapon is long like the HMG

The Fusilier has a top rail/handle like the HMG

The Fusilier has a stock like the HMG

The Fusilier has a curved handguard like the Spitfire

The Fusilier has a horizontal ammunition thing like the Spitfire

I think you (and Sangarn) are correct: the model in question has a HMG.

Which leads to the somewhat counter-intuitive notion that some races can make HMGs that are the size and weight of light machine guns. I may have missed it, but is there any equivalent in Infinity of the large-caliber, tripod mounted machine gun?

It's clearly the new style PanO HMG on the Fusilier lady.
They made a mistake.


The new style spitfire can be seen on the bolts.

It may just be aesthetics on CB's part.

A Morat's Heavy Machine Gun wouldn't look "heavy" if it weren't that size. The HI Morats especially are enormous.

Also look at the Morat starter Fuerbach compared to the Haqqi Azrail Fuererbach. Enormous yet proportional to the model holding the weapon.

As Sangarn said, even females within a faction are sometimes given smaller weapons for aethetic purposes. Even the Morat Vanguard LI have different sized HMGs than the heavier HI Morats.