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I’m finally getting some were, everything is now at least primed.
The bastion, Super cannon and Flack gunz are all almost done, which just leaves the Mad boyz and the last of the Nobz. The race is on!

I cant wait until i start to feel that progress has actually been made!!! everytime i head out to the shed to do some painting a day/evening goes past and yet i appear to have achieved bugger all lol

Just ordered a Kaptin Badrukk from GW... i need to figure out how to make my flashgitz... nob bodies obviously, but what makes a good snazzgun blasta? I don't want to use regular shootas but altering kombi weapons may be okay.

Any thoughts?

altering kombi weapons seem like the easiest method to me, they are already quite cool looking, other ones to think about are the Mek weapons from the loota/burna box set again quite a cool looking weapon

I'm going down the kombi weapon altering route... its the easiest way I think. Just got to find some snazzy pirate hats for my snazzgun toting flashgitz!

Anybody got any decent wip pictures ready?

 geordie09 wrote:
I'm going down the kombi weapon altering route... its the easiest way I think. Just got to find some snazzy pirate hats for my snazzgun toting flashgitz!

Anybody got any decent wip pictures ready?

Maximini.eu do some good Ork Pirate heads

bignickex wrote:

 geordie09 wrote:
I'm going down the kombi weapon altering route... its the easiest way I think. Just got to find some snazzy pirate hats for my snazzgun toting flashgitz!

Anybody got any decent wip pictures ready?

Maximini.eu do some good Ork Pirate heads

Do you know if they are Nob size NicK?

Seriously? Are you asking how his nob measures up? Lols.

 sar mikael wrote:
Seriously? Are you asking how his nob measures up? Lols.

Hello stranger... and yes, yes I am!!

I measure up fine thanks, as for the heads, I've not seen them myself but there are plenty of images of them on line, used on the AOBR War Boss and Nobz and they look to scale. A quick web search for Ork Pirate heads will give you more of an Idea. I think they do two different sizes Ork and Goblin the goblin are 40k Boy scale ish.

WIP pics, ask and ye shall receive!

'twas a state when I received it from eBay, one it needs a lick of pink!

A 30k fabulous bill
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An the main man himself! Hope sword is okay, think it deems itself worthy enough to be the weapon of a primarch!

Sword looks sweet mikeey!

Looking good Mike!

Anyone about at WHW over the weekend, I got an itch to try my WE for the first time (well there are nearly ready!)

Mikey that fulgrim looks awesome cant wait to see it once its all painted up

Mark i might even be ready to run an ork army this weekend if you dont mind a few of the models still being WiP


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Oh has any one used brass rod for flying bases? i need to try and get the forgeworld fighta bomma based but i have no idea what sort of thickness of rod (hurhur) i need lol

@Scott - for the rules going forward as we going to have a standard pack for preheresy and orks for example. Instead of relaying on update etc for other forums?

Might be easier going forward for players etc?

I've thought about it yes, will put address it this evening properly when i get home!


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Tried to get onto the ork exclusove forum, Da Waaagh... No joy as they aint taking new members. Anybody already in that loop to help us grow our waaagh!


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As far as Pre-Heresy and Heresy Era Campaign Weekends go we need to make a more permanent, suitable and flexible system for the Astartes players and also some rules for other races and their unit compositions (basically it seems daft that a group of Ork nobz is limited to ten when you can take up to 20 marines in an era marine unit).

With that in mind here is a list of some of my initial ideas...

- People using Forgeworld produced books can produce an army list based entirely upon this, that is what it is there for. Certain units that are not catered for can be brought into their army as allies using an expanded allies matrix that will be devised at a later date. I'm thinking of the best way to accommodate flyers etc, that I believe may not be detailed in the FW books. Also, there are a number of Primarchs and characters from the era that FW will not, and may not produce rules for in the immediate to long term course of things... the answer to that is two fold

1 - We use the Tempus Fugitives stats and points to allow players to introduce the era characters into their FW/codex derived army lists at the points and slots detailed in that expansion.

2 - We make our own... which will take some time and effort but between now and next years event I'm sure we can put our heads together and come up with some suitable stuff if everybody deems this the way to go.

- Codex Army lists... Baring in mind that the era already discounts many players who choose to play second founding and beyond armies I think that using FW and Tempus Fugitves exclusive rules is also a little off putting for some. I want as many people to be able to enjoy the era games as much as the 40k games. To combat this we can introduce additional rules for people who have the era astartes chapters but don't own or want to use FW or TF. Small changes to squad composition, doubling 10 tac marines to a maximum of 20 for example, and removing units such as the Death Company (BA) and Interrogator Chaplains (DA). Certain things may be missed and I'd leave it up to the players themselves to incorporate what they believe is era specific thus it would require honesty from the players and their opponents to be wary of certain factors. Deathwing Knights would lose 'Traitors Bane'... is that what the AP modifier is called? but could keep smite etc. This sort of flexibility will allow people who have built a force around an existing codex, such as BA codex for World Eaters, to field them and they could work appropriately, then incorporating whatever character and special units we deem fit to generate or 'borrow' from TF etc.

- Army lists for other codex forces, such as the Orks (a very current issue) would simply need to have a unit composition bump. Double the maximum number of basic infantry in each entry etc. This would then be up to the player to choose to field his max 60 boyz... but if 30 is the regular 40k size and 10 for marines, why should they not double up for the era too? Certain forces would stay as they are, Necrons and Eldar are more focused and less likely to have changed over the millennia between these eras.

- Although it is ovr a year away and we are yet to play our first era game, the scouring will be a much less specific event. I have already made the decision to allow 2nd founding Astartes to join the fray and they will be able to include their founding characters, such as Amit to lead the Fleshtearers and Sigismund the Black Templars. Whilst the primary legions will have the choice of using codex rules or betrayal/TF and Chaos can use Codex chaos for those that have strayed further or players can use their betrayal/TF or codex themed interpretations if they so wish.

Flexibility is the key. Has anybody got any major objections to the above or suggestions? Obviously by the time I put these out it will be streamlined and much less rambling, but its all about letting as many people getting involved as possible. If you choose to use FW Betrayal and your opponent is using a themed codex army (such as BA codex to represent Emperors Children) provided they aren't taking it beyond the realms of the era's fluff then we should embrace this rather than rail against it. I think the genuine differences in what people choose to field would make some of the era games more entertaining anyway, rather that then 15 armies all based on the same concept and every game you play has an opponent fielding the same base force.

Hopefully you can see where I'm coming from here. This stuff won't really make much difference to March as it won't be formalised for some time but if you are in a position where you want to use the BA codex for Emps children, (as one of our potential players is) I am quite happy, with prior notice to go with this... just bare in mind the era!

Mark, Matt, Mikeey and Nick, feel free to discuss, we're the only ones here anyway!

I am quiet happy to accept most things tbh, it would be great to get to a stage where we have Animosity packs for Imperial army,squats, genestealer cults - It would be great to be able to reflect those units and armies that GW has left to the side line.

with the PH stuff, it is a shame that players are put off by the idea, but using either tempus, FW or Codex to represent a legion is a common thing (look at the 1st expedition meet up thread). As long you foe knows what the heck is going on, it shouldnt be too hard.

Sooner or later TF wont be used at all I think and players seem put off by it. Take the interesting stuff from it (most imo) and have a link or copy of it. It awkward as you cant really just use the rules and ignore the people lol.

Ok summary of my rambles

1. Squats, imperial army and orks (for example) should have a list of old units (RT era) and Animosity units/formations
* Rough rider army
* squat codex - duncs?
* madboys, cyber boars etc
* Imperial army units - human bombs, beastmen, jet bikes and speeders.

2. for PH/HH allow Codexs (maybe a list of codex to legion?) . Links to a pdf of AoTE? and guidelines of FW books allowed

So basically you making it as open as possible but tailored for the experience? I hope i havet rambled in my normal dyslexic manner!



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2nd founding stuff - i think is fine in the scouring, i do think it a bit of a shame, but might be needed

I think its more that pre-heresy can exclude players. For instance, Kantor, as he plays Crimson Fists, has to sit out the next event. If you already play a founding chapter it makes it easier to fold pre-heresy stuff into your hobby unless you wish to start a new army and are willing to do the necessary. I think that is where people are put off rather than it being a gaming issue.

Many folk have already abandoned TF and find Betrayal a much better rule set too. After recent experiences that shall go unmentioned, I'm happy to develop our own expansion until FW produce a comprehensive system that includes more than four chapters.

The Ork pack will hopefully be a shining example of what we can do (when its not a word document! unmentioned criticism from unwelcome and outside influences again going unmentioned... w****r!). From the basis of that pack we will produce a few others, Rough Riders as we've previously discussed and our kill team/kill zone adapted rules will take a similar format. we'll have to discuss the squat thing with the squat players maybe (and make sure they're better than and nothing like previously mentioned un-named interfering gitz version).

We can easily enough knock up a list of conversion options for the next heresy era game as a guide at the front of the pack and will not take much effort either so that is a good place to start. Codex BA to World Eaters, Codex Grey Knights to thousand sons (or - psychic powers to custodes maybe). The options here are not exhausted and neither will our list be, just a guide really.

Some of the old epic stuff that has never had rules will be cool to develop too but we can discuss the in and outs at a later date.

I'm not sure about humans bombs in the imperial force but there is no reason to discount them from any potential enemies that stand in the way of the Great Crusade... if they don't want to comply with the Imperium them maybe they're are an option unit?

so going forward is going to be guidance, stuff we think of and tweaking of current codexs?

supppose next thing be having a "place" more suitable than this rambling thread lol.

Well, its definitely something to think about but to be honest we'd need to expand our circle of contributors before we think about spreading our wings! FB is enough for now i guess.

When the ork pack is tarted up we can start to look at the potential for further packs properly as it'll give everybody a good idea of what we're aiming for... Hopefully we'll be twin linked autocannon on a venerabledread rather than orky shoota discarded in favour of a big choppa! In other words, we'll hit the target!

Well all of this sounds perfect to me. A lot of stuff will need to be worked out but nothing insurmountable lol.
But as you say I think this will massively open up the events tomore people and keep things out of other peoples hands


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As i was saying last night, the advantages of going it alone to a much greater degree are massive,
The issues that were starting to appear in a totally biased forum were not worth the effort.
As to building an animosity set of rules/add on packs etc, i am not 100% sure what the best way to do it would be, possibly setting up a small website or private forum for discussions and rule building while still using Dakka for an actual forum and way to get more players if that makes sense?

I am at the Waagh 2013 meet at Warhammer World this Saturday and will ask around to see if anybody is interested(could be worth appearing as this will have a few lads who know people who cant go to WW because of there new polices on what is allowed to be used to game).

The man with the Squats is Graham Sanders who has been building a Squat Codex for a few years now, i have seen his scratch built Moles and Blimps and know that he had rules for some of the bigger stuff that could be found in the old Epic system.

Duncs

I'll talk to Graham in March and see if we can sort something out for that in future events as hes using imp guard counts as on that weekend.

I'm working this weekend otherwise the Waaagh 2013 meeting would be cool to go to!

Scratch build moles! I need to see that!

Duncs - myself matt and a couple of lads are hoping to pop down on sat for a game? Will you be there with your squats?

WHW saying you cant use non GW stuff by anychance? My Anvil industries WE are sadly not coming out to play on sat, so my terminators are

What is the score with the WAAGGH meet?
Be good to chat !

The Waaagh meets at 10 when the doors open and is running Sat/Sun. Only rules are Orks only,2500pts, max 1 super heavy.

I will see you there, just look for the bunch of big kids shouting Waaagh every few minutes and that will be us.

Duncs

Oh yeah if you want abit more orks(or spacemarines) this is the current line up on the rumer mill for new ork type stuff http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?349410-HUGE-40k-%28-amp-Hobbit%29-release-list

A few WIP pics, what do you think Primeork or Megga Dread?

looking awesome Nik, love the primoork/megadread, i have a mega dread and a mekka dread that i am hoping i can get done in time really struggling to work out how to paint them thats simple quick and looks good,
how are you painting the supa cannons/flakka gun??

KABOOM,BOOM,BOOM,BOOM! Love it all Nick! I want a flakka trukk now too! Made some warbuggies from some halo warthogs i had just lying around, they're now my rokkit hogs!

Scott you need to get one of the flakka guns they are awesome and a really nice Forgeworld model for only 20quid,

Do they just go on a wartrakk or something?