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Oh, a quick note on Sean's army list- I did talk to him about it at the weekend, and he was really surprised and embarassed. He just started using a Venom or two recently in his foot DE list, and has previously just taken one with a small double Splinter Trueborn squad. The DE codex specifies the size cap in the Dedicated Transport rules, but not in the squad entries or under the Venom entry. He just totally missed it. He did say that he would have just substituted the two Venoms for a single Venom and the Trueborn, which is much the same thing. The judges did check every list AGAIN Friday morning and somehow we missed it. I THINK I would have spotted it, as I play the army, but I didn't check his list (I checked a couple of the other players')- I stayed away from his table in general as we're teammates, and I'd rather make sure there's no question about a judge's neutrality.

nkelsch wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Pre measurements gets rid of so many arguments. Psychic powers and 2+ cover saves it what I don't like about sixth edition.

And all the 'not-so-clever' cheating techniques around measuring. I don't miss that stuff!

There will always be disputes about range. Pre-measure or no pre-measure. I think it just added to the game being able to accurately predict how far you need to go to get something done.

As an aside, if anyone found a tin of d6 like the ones pictured here, please PM me:

What format did the team tournament take?

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I guess that's kind of where I'm getting to gorgon. There's a LOT about Adepticon to love. But there's less and less to love about the big 40k games unless you're a big-time competitive gamer.

That's why they have an event called the "Friendly"

Target wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
It totally escaped me that Nick was also on that team. So he won both the individual championship and as a part of the team championship this year. Good work, guys

Nice to have you posting here too, spaguatyrine! That means you all are on Dakka . But I believe Nick is in my area (MD/DC/NoVA), so you guys must not be able to practice together...

I've heard of the team Sons of Shatner before, they've won the TT previously, right? Amazing how the top teams are able to consistently do well!

You may be thinking of me - i'm Andrew from They Shall Know Fear, i live in northern va/beltway area - Nick is in NJ but does make it down. Me and nick have known each other for probably 4-5 years and the team itself met at tournaments (NOVA really) and got to be friends and decided to do the team at Brad's urging/idea. In two years of team tourney we actually havent practiced together, but all of us independently have some experience with lists at least similar to what we play at the team tourney.

And yup - sons of shatner won in 2010 i think, many of the top teams going into the last round were previous champs

Ah, I thought he was from closer! I saw him at Battle for Blobs Park and last year's Nova Open, so I guess I just assumed he was closer! I knew you were local, but I think have yet to meet/see you (or at least, know it was you) although I believe I have never interacted with him online and see you posting here much more frequently.

Anyway, awesome to have folks from "around here" represent so convincingly although it makes the closer tournies still seem quite daunting, knowing who will likely be competing!

nolzur wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I guess that's kind of where I'm getting to gorgon. There's a LOT about Adepticon to love. But there's less and less to love about the big 40k games unless you're a big-time competitive gamer.

That's why they have an event called the "Friendly"

Except, it's not. Well, it was friendly, but it wasn't really 40k. An example of this was in the mission special rules. Game three was the relic, except every unit within 18" of the relic got +1 to all non-Leadership rolls, as well as Counter-charge, Furious Charge, Feel No Pain and Rending... In my game, that meant my unit of plague drones, in cover, was getting a 2+ cover followed by a 4+ FNP save, against my opponent's 50 or so conscripts who were hitting them on 4+ and wounding them on 5+. 200 dice rolls later and one whole wound was inflicted.

Point is, if you're looking for a more casual 40k tournament, the Friendly isn't it. If you're looking for a wacky, anything goes type event, then you're in the right place.

40k Team tournament results are up. It would be nice to know what the teams consisted with, or a break down of armies.

 Hulksmash wrote:


@theHod and Tombking

Thanks for the congrats. We wanted to try to back to back the TT since it had never been done before and we were nervous wrecks the entire award ceremony everytime they announced something we could have won that would have kept us out of Overall. But it was a great event with great opponents for us.

I call shenanigans! It was fixed! fixed like Kennedy's election

Nah I kid. You have some pretty talented players on your team and well deserved win with a special congrats on repeating a TT win.

Quick question what is the explanation of the team awards for:

Opportunists
Aggressors

 thehod wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:


@theHod and Tombking

Thanks for the congrats. We wanted to try to back to back the TT since it had never been done before and we were nervous wrecks the entire award ceremony everytime they announced something we could have won that would have kept us out of Overall. But it was a great event with great opponents for us.

I call shenanigans! It was fixed! fixed like Kennedy's election

Nah I kid. You have some pretty talented players on your team and well deserved win with a special congrats on repeating a TT win.

Quick question what is the explanation of the team awards for:

Opportunists
Aggressors

Aggressors was most linebreakers, opportunists is most first bloods

This year was my third year at Adepticon. I had a lot of fun this year and I really enjoyed the two-day TT format. I still had plenty of time between games and meal breaks to go and shop around. And I still had the opportunity to play in other events.

If you can't find something to do at Adepticon besides 40k tournaments, it's not on the fault of the organizers. There is plenty of stuff to go around, man

 gorgon wrote:


It's very interesting to me that appearance is a topic of conversation.

My Genestealer Cult (pics and links in my sig) scored a 24 for painting per the results they posted on Thursday. I was completely shocked by that. I guess the judge felt how he felt -- and checklist scoring can certainly create distortions -- but I think a much higher score was a reasonable expectation based both on my application of their checklist and the army's pedigree as a Best Appearance winner at Baltimore and other awards and recognition.

Now, I thought there was a chance I was gonna get hosed on appearance a little when the clearly rushed judge took maybe 40 seconds to look at my army -- while I was only partway done setting it up on my display -- and never picked up a single model. If that's the kind of judging that we can expect, then maybe it's time to go to some sort of pass/fail painting system for the Championships. At least it'd be honest.

Ultimately, it is what it is and I certainly don't need validation from Adepticon about the army. The kind comments from Dakkaites and everyone out there mean much more to me, and I have awards on my shelf already. The GCult is a poor competitive army that loses a lot of games (LOL) but I wanted to share it since I haven't played it much publicly in recent years, and I'm glad that I could do that.

But I will say this -- if I was going to participate in the Championships again, I would bring a gak painted army instead of dragging a top shelf army onto a plane. I could score a 24 again with a few slapdash weeks of work instead of years of time and care.

-Chris Showers

A way for quality judging without wasting huge amounts of time. have the player rate his own army which can include some supporting text.
A judge can step up look at the players checklist and agree or rejudge it. if a player feels he deserves 49 out of 50 points let him write it down. then add a penalty if you over judge your list. like 10% of your overage.
you should be able to look at the check list honestly and figure out your painting score. having a player prejudge gives a judge something to base his opinion on.

I also don't think you need to split the group. throw classic GT level softscore back in and give out most of the prizes on day 1
overall 1-3
sportsmanship which is sports and comp.
Best painted
leave the day 2 as it is and let the power gamers go for the warlord crown but have the prize on day two be small.

At NOVA, if you want to go for Best Overall, you take your army to be paint judged by 2 judges at a separate area. It works better in a situation where there are a couple hundred players.

Had an absolute blast at my first Adepticon.

Ended up taking Best Xenos in the Championship (Grats again to Eric for edging me for best overall!), made it to the Top 8 on Day 2 before losing to Tony.

Did ok in the team tournament, stayed up a little too late though Saturday night socializing and missed our Sunday morning game. It was totally worth it though to get a chance to catch up with old friends and make some new ones as well.

I also had a blast, and was in the same boat (and room) with mordendonner. Team "Roll to Wound" will return with the full set of games recorded next year!

Best Xenos, awesome! Wonder what went down Saturday night, though

There were a lot of people in bad shape Sunday morning.

 Redbeard wrote:

nolzur wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I guess that's kind of where I'm getting to gorgon. There's a LOT about Adepticon to love. But there's less and less to love about the big 40k games unless you're a big-time competitive gamer.

That's why they have an event called the "Friendly"

Except, it's not. Well, it was friendly, but it wasn't really 40k. An example of this was in the mission special rules. Game three was the relic, except every unit within 18" of the relic got +1 to all non-Leadership rolls, as well as Counter-charge, Furious Charge, Feel No Pain and Rending... In my game, that meant my unit of plague drones, in cover, was getting a 2+ cover followed by a 4+ FNP save, against my opponent's 50 or so conscripts who were hitting them on 4+ and wounding them on 5+. 200 dice rolls later and one whole wound was inflicted.

Point is, if you're looking for a more casual 40k tournament, the Friendly isn't it. If you're looking for a wacky, anything goes type event, then you're in the right place.

Redbeard (hi, btw!) is spot on... The Friendly was fun ( hey, it went to 11!) but it was hardly just a "less competative" 40k. It was deliberately wacky with lots of "outside the game" effects. Sometimes you just got lucky/unlucky by what got spun on the wheel o' goodness.

And, it hardly got rid of the WAAC players either. I didn't play him, but one guy brought a list that started with 3 SW Rune Priests (all with JotWW) and an allied BA Libby. Is that intended to be a "fun" list?

For my Adepticon money, the most "fun" non-wacky 40k was the Combat Patrol. Some very interesting scenarios and surprisingly little WAAC. just some good tight games without all the crazy.

Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of fun with the friendly, but Redbeard's exactly right. That said, I really had a blast with the combat patrol games and I'm definitely shooting to play more of them next time around. .

Valete,

JohnS

 cygnnus wrote:

And, it hardly got rid of the WAAC players either. I didn't play him, but one guy brought a list that started with 3 SW Rune Priests (all with JotWW) and an allied BA Libby. Is that intended to be a "fun" list?

3 Rune Priests and an allied BA Librarian sounds like a terrible basis for a list if you want to win games. What about the list makes it not fun for you?

 Danny Internets wrote:

 cygnnus wrote:

And, it hardly got rid of the WAAC players either. I didn't play him, but one guy brought a list that started with 3 SW Rune Priests (all with JotWW) and an allied BA Libby. Is that intended to be a "fun" list?

3 Rune Priests and an allied BA Librarian sounds like a terrible basis for a list if you want to win games. What about the list makes it not fun for you?

As I said, I didn't play it. Just saw it. There's more to it that just the list, but it's not really more story to tell...

Valete,

JohnS

 Danny Internets wrote:

 cygnnus wrote:

And, it hardly got rid of the WAAC players either. I didn't play him, but one guy brought a list that started with 3 SW Rune Priests (all with JotWW) and an allied BA Libby. Is that intended to be a "fun" list?

3 Rune Priests and an allied BA Librarian sounds like a terrible basis for a list if you want to win games. What about the list makes it not fun for you?

I've played against something like that. He podded in with 4 squads, the libby blood lancing and the RP's Jawsing things, followed by the firepower of the grey hunters and a sternguard squad. I think the libby also gives the 5+ cover save?, and it had a sanguinary priest for 5+++. I think only 3 pods came in the first turn, but if you do it right you can eliminate a lot of threats to your army, and 30-40 marines in the center of a board or flank are hard to kill.

Another Adepticon behind us, and only 360 days (+/- 21 days, depending on the exact date) until my next Giordano's pizza!

For reference, this was my 10th Adepticon. (I missed 2005, and I still feel bad about it.)

I played in the 40k Championship & the 40k Team Tournament this year; I helped staff the 40k Gladiator initially, and migrated into the 40k Warzone event, when it looked like Nick the organizer could use a spare body. I also played in the Poker after-party, for the short time I had chips, and then hung around afterwards, before catching a board game.

Actually getting to the event this year was a little rough, as was previously noted. Tremendous thunderstorms & planes don't mix especially well, and my "direct" flight spent a couple quality hours in St. Loius (which ended up being a better place to be than Indy, judging by Yakface & Blackmoor's longer delay there).

The 4-day format was new & interesting. Unfortunate that the weather was so uncooperative, as I suspect that will skew any measurables that the team would otherwise use to judge "success," but it felt like a good choice. Certainly it is more expensive to attend all 4 days, but only incrementally so, and there is no shortage of activities for those who are looking to follow the old 3-day approach.

Some thoughts, in no especial order:

Terrain placement rules: Of all the changes made for the 40k events, this is the one that I was most skeptical of. As it turned out, I thought it was truly fantastic. You need a deep terrain pool to make it work well (as each terrain piece was on the order of 1 square foot), but the placement rules were such that no board could be too barren. The only suggestion I have is to restore a 5" distance off the board edge, if not off of the other terrain elements. (In Hammer & Anvil, with the right selection of terrain & a desire to make it happen, one player could arrange a 16-18" killing ground between the midfield & terrain he was required to put on his side of the board, but it was just barely possible with 4" distances.)

Text messaging table assignments: Fantastic idea. Implementation needed a little work (the only one I received on Thursday in time to matter was during the dinner break), but this is far, far better than massive rushes to read posted lists. Now, if you'd just post assignments online also, we wouldn't be at the whims of the cell carriers anymore - pre-establish a known location for posting, and announce that they're up when you hit "Submit."

The 40k Championship: Not a lot to say about it, beyond thinking that I may be done with it for a while. So many other events going on, and the Championship was never my primary draw. Plenty of places to play "normal" 40k (although perhaps not to win a week in Mexico by doing so - wow!), but some of the 40k variants on display are much harder to find, to say nothing of the other systems available.

The 40k Gladiator: Attendance is still not what it once was, back when it was the first 40k event of the weekend. It looks like the Gladiator is morphing into a different event: it used to be the "no holds barred" event, back when composition affected "normal" GT play; now, it is increasingly about playing with your FW units without restriction. It's not a bad change, and I look forward to seeing what a new team of organizers makes of it.

40k Warzone: Really neat event, and I'm glad I wandered into it. For those who aren't familiar, Warzone takes the FW Zone Mortalis concept and expands on it. Not only do you need to be able to do battle in the confines of a Space Hulk or Necron Tombship, but your same army will also do battle on a wide-open dusty desert, in a burning cityscape, and in the trenches of a muddy battlefield. You have a small sideboard available (250 pts for your 1k army), but versatility was key. Everyone who played seemed to enjoy the event immensely. Some minor hiccups, not unexpected in a first-year event: the alloted time wasn't quite right, given the complexities of rules added by each board & each mission; and some of the special rules weren't well balanced in certain scenarios. Those are correctable, and I hope to make use of this ruleset for some local events in the near future, too.

The Team Tournament: THIS is what brings me back, year after year. Dakka Detachment One did pretty well this year, finishing 9th overall with a hodgepodge of CSM/Daemons/Daemons/IG, and we had 10 great games (even against those unsportsmanlike so-and-sos in the final round) across 5 rounds. I really, really appreciate the return to a 2-day format; 3 hour rounds are brutal, and just being DONE for the day after round 3 was fantastic. Plus, it let us eat our pizza, socialize, drink too much, and still get what passes for a reasonable night's sleep at Adepticon before round 4 started on Sunday. One minor quibble with the round 5 mission (scoring Elites, but no Scouring/Big Guns anywhere to be seen), but on the whole, a fantastic event run very well.

The hotel: Complicated topic. Food has gotten progressively better with time, as they've worked to make it so you didn't want to leave...but their kitchen closed at 10pm on Wednesday, so I couldn't get anything when I finally did get there. I really appreciated the option of the breakfast/lunch buffet on Thursday...unfortunately, the delay in the Championship start time meant that lunch was essentially over by the time I could reach it, leaving a few picked-over options to choose from. Relocating the Vendor Hall out of the main ballroom relieved congestion...but it also meant that I never took the time to browse; there wasn't enough time between rounds of the primary events to make it comfortable to leave the hall & shop. I really like the Westin, but I suspect the event is pushing the boundaries of what can comfortably fit there. And either I'm getting old, or their beds are getting harder. Couldn't be the former.

Again, HUGE thanks are due to Hank, Matt, and everyone involved in putting Adepticon together year after year. It's a labor of love, I know, and it is incredible that you can consistently put together an event of this caliber, particularly given how it continues to grow & evolve. See you next year!

9th overall, nice! Dakka Detachment 1 is going to break through and win the thing one of these days... I think you guys had an even higher result last year for battle points (but not for overall) which is pretty impressive.

My only real complaint is that the hotel ran out of Mountain Dew after Thursday pretty much (I am addicted). And the ATM stopped working for awhile, but that's nothing new.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Gitsplitta wrote:
I guess that's kind of where I'm getting to gorgon. There's a LOT about Adepticon to love. But there's less and less to love about the big 40k games unless you're a big-time competitive gamer.

Couldn't agree more!

If I make it out in 2014, I'll look more for a "Friendly 40K" game, and spend the rest of my time wandering around trying to hang out in Real Life with people I spend way to much time talking to on The Internet!

I haven't played 40K since the new edition dropped, and playing in the TT would probably be the only thing really drawing me back into the game. If I go next year I will probably focus on the smaller games unless DD3 rises from the ashes. If that doesn't happen I will probably stick with Flames of War, maybe some Warmachine or Infinity, and maybe one of the smaller 40K versions like ZM and or (a big maybe) WFB. Or I might just sign up for a few small things and then set up games with people on Dakka and bring armies for that and make it an "play a few "competitive" things, and then just make it a social gaming event where I can drink, shop, and test out new games while hanging out with friends.

 Dinamarth wrote:
My only real complaint is that the hotel ran out of Mountain Dew after Thursday pretty much (I am addicted). And the ATM stopped working for awhile, but that's nothing new.

Hahaha, I don't know if it is hilarious they ran out or a tragic commentary on the gamer stereotype

can anyone post the lists of the top 3?

phempchildrenbob wrote:
can anyone post the lists of the top 3?

The top 3...what? There were well over 30 tournaments at Adepticon.

Before you ask, I didn't get the BFG lists; sorry.

sorry I meant the 40k championchip