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muwhe, thanks for the thorough reply! I will listen to those podcasts when home . Awesome to hear that great strides were made on the fantasy side this year

I am just building a chaos dwarf force with the goal of a GT at this time next year. So maybe it will be AdeptiCon, after all as I'm hoping to attend anyway... just wasn't sure if it was worth forgoing other possible events to play fantasy, given the comparison between it and the 40k side that I saw last year.

That's an important thing to note. The con is what you make it.

I created the 40K Warzone Tournament to fill a void that I felt the convention had, and I spent 7 months building and painting scenery and developing all of my own scenarios to be played. It was a labor of love. Most of the materials used came out of my own pocket as well. As a volunteer a chunk of your event admission gets comped. That's the reward. That and the satisfaction of a job well done.

The point being that if you want something to change or improve I highly recommend volunteering your time. I know I'm glad that I got involved and will maintain that commitment next year and into the future as well.

That's excellent, Nick, and I know of a number of posters on Dakka who have volunteered as judges for events (Mannahnin and Janthkin in particular, just from the mods). However, as someone who lives 12 hours away if I were to organize an event, as you have done, it would likely be at a more local venue.

AdeptiCon was my "big hobby trip" in 2012, and will likely be so again in 2014 just wanted to give some honest feedback and gauge whether the fantasy side had been improved upon... which it seems it has, so that is excellent, even if there is work yet to go.

The other unfortunate thing is we just don't have enough fantasy players posting on Dakka! I don't know where they all go, actually... but 40k rules the day here so we don't tend to hear back as much about the fantasy events.

 RiTides wrote:
That's excellent, Nick, and I know of a number of posters on Dakka who have volunteered as judges for events (Mannahnin and Janthkin in particular, just from the mods). However, as someone who lives 12 hours away if I were to organize an event, as you have done, it would likely be at a more local venue.

AdeptiCon was my "big hobby trip" in 2012, and will likely be so again in 2014 just wanted to give some honest feedback and gauge whether the fantasy side had been improved upon... which it seems it has, so that is excellent, even if there is work yet to go.

The other unfortunate thing is we just don't have enough fantasy players posting on Dakka! I don't know where they all go, actually... but 40k rules the day here so we don't tend to hear back as much about the fantasy events.

I feel you.

For those interested, here were the results of the 40K Warzone Tournament after-survey.

http://2ndcitywarzone.blogspot.com/2013/04/looking-at-adepticon-40k-warzone.html

Hi

On behalf of the Sons of Shatner - thanks for a great weekend to the organizers and our opponents in the various events we played in. We had great opponents throughout, the venue was excellent, and everything ran very well, even if things got off to a rocky start on Thursday thanks to the severe weather. Delaying was the right call.

Congrats to They Shall Know Fear for the repeat. They came into round 5 and simply took it from us (we were 8-0 at the time). We will have to settle for a third top 2 finish in 4 years, with only taking it home in 2010.

My only regret is losing against Swedish ETC team players for two years in a row in round 3 of the 40K championships...

Cheers,
Nate Stevens - Captain,
Sons of Shatner

Wow, 8-0 going into the finals... so close! It's really impressive to see the same teams compete at the very top year after year. I am still hoping that Dakka Detachment 1 will break through and win the thing, too

I'm sorry I saw the list posting of like 12 necron lists in the top 16 but I thought I heard that draigowing won adepticon yes?

9 out of 16 Battle-points-only Finalists had Necrons or Necrons + Allies. The winner was Nick Nanavati, running Necrons with Draigo allied, a big unit of Paladins, and a Solodin.

@Carlosthecraven

Thanks for the kind words. You guys were an amazing final game and we knew coming in that we had to pull in huge numbers to slide past you guys. Couldn't have asked for a better final game for the weekend.

I didn't know you guys had come in second 3/4 of the last few years, that's crazy.

Sons of Shatner are killers, with gorgeous armies, and great sports as well. I've played several of them, and they were all outstanding games. Even when I butted heads with Nate and briefly thought he might kill me.

I played in the warhammer fantasy championships and had a great time with my Slayer Ogres. Finished at 3 - 1 -1, which I was quite happy with. The thing I was surprised by is when the final scores were released, I only came out around 50th of 150 entrants. I did fine with my sports and paint score, but where I lacked was getting favorite opponent votes. Win/tie/loss was worth 15/10/5 with up to 10 bonus points per round. I didn't realize it until the end, but each favorite opponent vote was then worth 7 points to your overall score! I do believe a favorite opponent vote should be worth something, but that just seemed like way too much. Had I won all 5 battles, gotten perfect sports and paint but recieved no favorite opponent votes I wouldn't have even been in the top 10.

Anyone else have a similar experience?

 carlosthecraven wrote:
Hi

On behalf of the Sons of Shatner - thanks for a great weekend to the organizers and our opponents in the various events we played in. We had great opponents throughout, the venue was excellent, and everything ran very well, even if things got off to a rocky start on Thursday thanks to the severe weather. Delaying was the right call.

Congrats to They Shall Know Fear for the repeat. They came into round 5 and simply took it from us (we were 8-0 at the time). We will have to settle for a third top 2 finish in 4 years, with only taking it home in 2010.

My only regret is losing against Swedish ETC team players for two years in a row in round 3 of the 40K championships...

Cheers,
Nate Stevens - Captain,
Sons of Shatner

Thanks for the congrats! We had all good matches/fun opponents throughout the Team Tourney, but I have to say you guys took the cake. From the get go on our table both sides were relaxed, easy going, and it was a fun game. It definitely went our way, but regardless that kind of great sportsmanship/low stress attitude on the last round on one of the top tables is a wonderful thing, esp. adding in sitting across from such gorgeous armies.

Any pics/batreps of the team tourney? Especially the finals?

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Any pics/batreps of the team tourney? Especially the finals?

No batrep out of respect for both teams. But an awesome game with Sons of Shatner. Your armies were amazing! Sorry I kept knocking that one guy off the rhino. Wish I could have seen your display board in person.

Hi

I appreciate Spag's discretion - but the simple truth of the matter is they crushed us. I have no issue sharing the details of the defeat. I have always felt I learn more in defeat than in victory and am not too proud to share some of the gory details.

As the losing team - here is the summary:

On one table, Bill and Cory (Sons of Shatner) face off against Spag and Target. Upon seeing what Target's Guard has in his list - Cory turns to me and says "f*&k my life. It this really what we have to deal with? It is the perfect counter to our list." According to Bill and Cory - roughly half their army dies on turn one to two blobs and thud guns... and oh, hey - a grey knight army, too! It doesn't get any better from there, as two vendettas and a stormraven are still on their way. A crushing and decisive victory for They Shall Know Fear although I am unsure how many turns it took to finish it. (Sorry, I don't know more details and neither Cory or Bill post on Dakka).

On my table, Greg and I face Yermom and Hulksmash. They go first, doing very little damage. We then deviate from our plan which was "kill the plasma cannon henchmen squads giving the terminators the ability to move around effectively" by targeting the land raider crusader full of assassins and crusaders and "kill me first" acolytes. Greg's dice are stone cold and we accomplish maybe a hull point in damage with 6 stationary psycannons. I score first blood killing a dreadknight. The assassins in the crusader get out and proceed to get what they need when they need it (staying locked in combat when we are up next and getting out when they are up next through brilliant use of the alternating power maul then power axe use) and proceed to kill 3 combat squads, a full strike squad plus Coteaz and a dreadnought. They were the MVPs of the game. The storm raven psy-missiles my inquisitor to death (slay the warlord) and I take couple of other casualties to my full squad. They don't like it and run off the board the same turn. Meanwhile, the swarm of combat squads bleeds away at my terminators, eliminating them on turn 4.

On turn 5, we have one last play to deny points. My dreadnought assaults a strike squad pulling it off an objective. Greg's last three terminators assault and break a combat squad on another objective. If the game ends there, They Shall Know Fear still wins, but it is 15-5. But it continues onto turn 6 and Greg's termies die and another squad takes the unclaimed objective for the 25-0 on objectives. I sleep easier at night knowing that They Shall Know Fear won the tourney by 16 points, as a turn 5 ending was a 15 point swing, which would have still given them the one point victory.

Perhaps the highest praise I can give Yermon and Hulksmash is that this is one of the very, very few times where I haven't felt like I was in control of the game, or sharply contesting control. If it means anything, I played Tony Kopach twice at Nova last year, and while I lost, I never felt overwhelmed or out of control.

Afterwords, I said to my teammates that we simply dropped the ball in the last round. Bill replied with "No. They took the ball, spiked it at our heads, kicked us in the junk, and walked away with the glory." The latter interpretation is probably more accurate...

A well deserved victory for They Shall Know Fear - they came in and took it. Well done.

Cheers,
Nate

We faced the SoShatner in the first round, and I can say they are as gracious in victory as defeat.

@carlosthecraven

You guys are a class act. I'm super glad you were our last opponents. And I'll readily admit that my assassins were on point, doing exactly what needed doing when it needed doing. They really were insane.

See you guys next year

 carlosthecraven wrote:
Hi

I appreciate Spag's discretion - but the simple truth of the matter is they crushed us. I have no issue sharing the details of the defeat. I have always felt I learn more in defeat than in victory and am not too proud to share some of the gory details.

As the losing team - here is the summary:

On one table, Bill and Cory (Sons of Shatner) face off against Spag and Target. Upon seeing what Target's Guard has in his list - Cory turns to me and says "f*&k my life. It this really what we have to deal with? It is the perfect counter to our list." According to Bill and Cory - roughly half their army dies on turn one to two blobs and thud guns... and oh, hey - a grey knight army, too! It doesn't get any better from there, as two vendettas and a stormraven are still on their way. A crushing and decisive victory for They Shall Know Fear although I am unsure how many turns it took to finish it. (Sorry, I don't know more details and neither Cory or Bill post on Dakka).

On my table, Greg and I face Yermom and Hulksmash. They go first, doing very little damage. We then deviate from our plan which was "kill the plasma cannon henchmen squads giving the terminators the ability to move around effectively" by targeting the land raider crusader full of assassins and crusaders and "kill me first" acolytes. Greg's dice are stone cold and we accomplish maybe a hull point in damage with 6 stationary psycannons. I score first blood killing a dreadknight. The assassins in the crusader get out and proceed to get what they need when they need it (staying locked in combat when we are up next and getting out when they are up next through brilliant use of the alternating power maul then power axe use) and proceed to kill 3 combat squads, a full strike squad plus Coteaz and a dreadnought. They were the MVPs of the game. The storm raven psy-missiles my inquisitor to death (slay the warlord) and I take couple of other casualties to my full squad. They don't like it and run off the board the same turn. Meanwhile, the swarm of combat squads bleeds away at my terminators, eliminating them on turn 4.

On turn 5, we have one last play to deny points. My dreadnought assaults a strike squad pulling it off an objective. Greg's last three terminators assault and break a combat squad on another objective. If the game ends there, They Shall Know Fear still wins, but it is 15-5. But it continues onto turn 6 and Greg's termies die and another squad takes the unclaimed objective for the 25-0 on objectives. I sleep easier at night knowing that They Shall Know Fear won the tourney by 16 points, as a turn 5 ending was a 15 point swing, which would have still given them the one point victory.

Perhaps the highest praise I can give Yermon and Hulksmash is that this is one of the very, very few times where I haven't felt like I was in control of the game, or sharply contesting control. If it means anything, I played Tony Kopach twice at Nova last year, and while I lost, I never felt overwhelmed or out of control.

Afterwords, I said to my teammates that we simply dropped the ball in the last round. Bill replied with "No. They took the ball, spiked it at our heads, kicked us in the junk, and walked away with the glory." The latter interpretation is probably more accurate...

A well deserved victory for They Shall Know Fear - they came in and took it. Well done.

Cheers,
Nate

Tell Bill and Cory I'm so, so so so sorry Thudd Guns (Quad Launchers) were legal. I felt a little bit dirty all day (but not dirty enough to stop firing them!)

We called our game on T3 I believe, as they only had ~5-10 models left and we hadnt sustained any sizeable casualties, and it was clear where it was going. I'll echo them on it being about as bad of a match as they could have pulled, though we all seemed to have a blast throughout the game, and I still remember them making me and aaron choose the dice for each damage result that got through (1 each) on a raven and vendetta, and then them subsequently rolling us crashing into the ground. So painful picking your own fate!

Funny....

First year we lose bad in round one of Team tourney....

Followed by...

First year we actually win anything at Team Tourney!

Blade and Bolter Boys had a blast!

I just wanted to say I had a fantastic time at the event! It was great seeing everyone from nova again! I also got to meet a lot of other people who I have spoken to over the net over the years but never met in person.

Even with the issues getting into town and the bad weather it was a hell of a time. I can't wait to go back next yr!

Would anyone know if the top Gladiator lists have been posted? Kinda curious as to what James Curry's list was.

I finally wrote Part II of the 40K Warzone Tournament analysis of the after surveys. If you find that sort of thing interesting, the info is up:

http://2ndcitywarzone.blogspot.com/2013/05/looking-at-40k-warzone-tournament.html

-Nick