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results and review?

I wasn't there this year and I'd love to see the new data.

qty players
armies played
standings
lists
etc.

 Dave_Fay wrote:
results and review?

I wasn't there this year and I'd love to see the new data.

qty players
armies played
standings
lists
etc.

Seconded.
I found myself constantly deploring my contract all weekend which kept me away from being able to play. In the end having a career wins out but still... Plastic crack is hard to give up

1st place was IG and was the only army to go 5-0. He ran several of the plama cannon lemon russes.

2nd place was me with Eldar/Dark Eldar.

3rd place was Michael H. who ran pure Mech Dark Eldar.


They had about 32 players

30 or so players. Best General went to a scary IG list with lots and lots of FW anti-air lascannon platforms.

My tyranids went 3-2, losing two games to some mech DE players who apparently haven't heard that "mech is dead" in sixth; I they both finished 4-1. The first game I had a couple of chances to win; the second game, I still don't think there is anything I could have done to change the outcome (7 Venoms, 2 Ravagers, and a Void Raven, all with Night Shields, in a Hammer & Anvil deployment).

 Blackmoor wrote:
1st place was IG and was the only army to go 5-0. I think the player's name was Shane? He ran several of the plama cannon lemon russes.

2nd place was me with Eldar/Dark Eldar.

3rd place was Michael H. who ran pure Mech Dark Eldar.


They had about 32 players

1st Place Guy's name was Vince (Can't remember last name) IG with FW Lascannon Sabres and mass troops on top of those russes.

Damn Allan, for the second time... Looking forward to the rematch. Gratz!

wow no necrons in the top 3.

 Dave_Fay wrote:
wow no necrons in the top 3.

Necrons were playing for all the marbles in round 5...but it was a flyer-spam list, against 6 FW Sabres + a quad gun, all behind an Aegis line, on a Hammer & Anvil deployment.

He still had the chance to pull it out, and screwed up his last turn of movement.

Didnt those FW sabres have like 20 attached guardsmen each. Thats alot of T7 wounds to take out!

So for those of us who do not know, what book is the "Sabres" in? I can find pictures on the FW web page but not the rules.

Thanks
Doc

My only complaint for the event was the setup of the tables. Having the entire gaming area blocked off was a major determent for watching any games. I completely understand not wanting your games bothered by the masses, but not being able to comfortably watch a game made me lose interest quickly.

The lack of CSM armies made me a sad panda too. Although, I think I saw someone playing a CSM army with an IG ally force at one point on Saturday. Hopefully the new dex makes them more competitive for future tournaments.

Tastytaste brought Chaos, but I think at this point everyone is waiting for the new codex.

 Grimgob wrote:
Didnt those FW sabres have like 20 attached guardsmen each. Thats alot of T7 wounds to take out!

Do Sabres have Interceptor?

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Grimgob wrote:
Didnt those FW sabres have like 20 attached guardsmen each. Thats alot of T7 wounds to take out!

Do Sabres have Interceptor?

I remember speaking with him and AFAIK no, they are twin linked though. and I believe he had 4 or more of those + quad gun all behind the aegis.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Grimgob wrote:
Didnt those FW sabres have like 20 attached guardsmen each. Thats alot of T7 wounds to take out!

Do Sabres have Interceptor?

Who knows?

That is why you do not have forge world in tournaments. Even people with the books have not idea where they are, or what they do. It does seem like they helped him win the win the tournament though.

This brings up another good reason why you should not have forgeworld in tournaments. It is not like guard have no options to take out flyers (Vendettas, Hydras etc) but Forgeworld has a ton of IG and SM equipement and the Xenos get thrown a bone here and there. The rich armies get richer, and the poor arimes get poorer.

SM are the 1%!! Occupy Macragge!!!

 Dok wrote:
SM are the 1%!! Occupy Macragge!!!

FETH YOU! PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS AND BUILD YOUR OWN EMPIRE!!!! DON"T PUNISH SUCCESS!!!


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On a more serious note, sorry I couldn't make it after all. I ended up with work Saturday and couldn't attend.

Sabres do have interceptor- they cost less than 3 marines for an autocannon sabre with skyfire and interceptor that takes the place of heavy weapons teams! Rules can be found in Imperial Armour Aeronautica.

Pretty dang good, but Aeronautica has some other good AA. Sadly most xenos are still stuck with flyers for their skyfire needs

I found these rule for it online.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/Impgupdate.pdf

They might be old but there is no date on them. I bet I could find more rules for them and then I get to pick and choose which rules I get to use. These seem to be vehicles, did that changes with the Aeronautica book?

I had a great time! It was good seeing all the Usual Suspects again and meeting some new bloods. I won’t lie, I was worried going into this event about how 6th was going to effect the Tournament scene but I’m happy to say I had 5 really fun and exciting games. Thanks again to all of my opponents and I hope to see you across the table again at the next big Event.
This Event was awesome and I will be going again next year for sure. Thanks again Frontline and Crew.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Grimgob wrote:
Didnt those FW sabres have like 20 attached guardsmen each. Thats alot of T7 wounds to take out!

Do Sabres have Interceptor?

Who knows?

That is why you do not have forge world in tournaments. Even people with the books have not idea where they are, or what they do. It does seem like they helped him win the win the tournament though.

This brings up another good reason why you should not have forgeworld in tournaments. It is not like guard have no options to take out flyers (Vendettas, Hydras etc) but Forgeworld has a ton of IG and SM equipement and the Xenos get thrown a bone here and there. The rich armies get richer, and the poor arimes get poorer.

He had the current FW book on hand (Aueronotica, or however you spell it) for the Sabre rules; he allowed me to read the rules for them before we made a single roll; I didn't really have an issue with them. This same argument could be made for new stuff like Bastions, and older codexs you don't see on the field that much, like, oh say, Eldar? :-) I can't speak for the other players, but I really don't think they made that much of a difference in my game with him. He had a very solid list, one that really seemed to be geared to take on all-comers.

Had a great time at the event, playing Blackmoor made for a very fun game.

"Barrel or mounting?"

 Blackmoor wrote:
I found these rule for it online.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/Impgupdate.pdf

They might be old but there is no date on them. I bet I could find more rules for them and then I get to pick and choose which rules I get to use. These seem to be vehicles, did that changes with the Aeronautica book?

Yeah all artillery are no longer vehicles. The rules are similar but the Aeronautica update made them cheaper

Blackmoor, stop your whining! hahaha, you had fun despite your public opposition to FW. You were laughing and enjoying yourself so I officially object to your pessimism.

There was quite a bit of Forgeworld and it was NO BIG DEAL AT ALL. In fact, of everyone we asked, everyone was happy to have it, particularly the 4, yes 4, Tau players who all had Tetras. FW made it a more enjoyable experience for the majority of players.

Vince, the winner, had the rules for the Sabres on hand to show his opponents and we did too, as TO's. ANyone who wanted to read them could very, very easily.

They have skyfire, interceptor and they are twin linked. They are immobile and they are taken as a Heavy Weapon Squad in a IG blob. That means they are a team of 3 guns, not in a blob. You can target them individually and destroy them.

Why is this awesome? Anyone who can take IG allies, can get them. That means affordable, effective AA for a LOT of the armies in the game.

And they helped make the game between the IG and the Cron Airforce a close game instead of a wipe out.

Tastey was playing Crons, not Chaos. Danny Afleje was playing Chaos/IG allies.

@Spitfire Arsonist

I understand your complaints, but our #1 priority is to our attendees first and last. As an observer, your needs ranked extremely low on our list! haha, no offense intended at all, but letting in even a fraction of the 40,000+ attendees at Comikaze into our area would have made it impossible for our attendees to play the game.

It would be awesome to have a viewing area that didn't interfere with the games, but that is not possible from a space and money perspective.

Next year, why not play, then you'll have the best view of what's going on possible!

I will have results up later today.

 Cortez667 wrote:
He had the current FW book on hand (Aueronotica, or however you spell it) for the Sabre rules; he allowed me to read the rules for them before we made a single roll; I didn't really have an issue with them. This same argument could be made for new stuff like Bastions, and older codexs you don't see on the field that much, like, oh say, Eldar? :-)

Bastions are just new. They have a lot of funky rules, but they are in the main rule book, so if you do not have access to it's rules I don't know what to tell you. It is just that a lot of people have not bothered reading them yet (I know I didn't know what they did until I faced one). As far as eldar go, you can have a newer codex and still forget rules (take nightshields for instance) but that was my fault because I knew what they did and I screwed up anyways. The point is that the rules are out there for everyone to be able to access and should have over 5 years of experience playing against that codex unlike FW even if they do not own a copy they still should have access to it at their FLGS.

I can't speak for the other players, but I really don't think they made that much of a difference in my game with him. He had a very solid list, one that really seemed to be geared to take on all-comers.

I am glad that I did not face that army. I played another army that was just like it a few weeks ago and those Leman Russes are brutal.

Had a great time at the event, playing Blackmoor made for a very fun game.

"Barrel or mounting?"

I am recording for the 11th Co Podcast tonight and that was my take-away. I will throw it out there to see what people think. Like a lot of rules out there it might not be any clear answer for it though.


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 Reecius wrote:
Blackmoor, stop your whining! hahaha, you had fun despite your public opposition to FW. You were laughing and enjoying yourself so I officially object to your pessimism.

#1. I had fun.
#2. The forge world was not as bad as I had feared.
#3. I still hate forge world in regular games of 40k.

Yep, having the crowd mulling through would have made play impossible. As it was I had more than a few models picked up by the few people who were let in for closer looks. Nothing dropped or broken though.
Also a camera crew came through right at the start of game 5 to film the board next to us. GrimGob and I had to wait about 20 minutes before we got a chance to start because the camera counterweight boom was sweeping across our board. We ended up having to play turn 5 in about 30 seconds just to finish the game (GrimGob won when he killed my last Terminator and was able to consolidate onto an objective and my Belial (who was scoring thanks to Traits) came up short on a Run roll to get to his.
5 great games, including a chance to play Allan for the first time ever (we get to alot of the same events but had never been matched up before).
Plenty of Emo Cos-play babes running around too.

This Event was awesome (Thanks to Reecius and the rest of the Frontline Gaming peeps) and all 5 games were intense and exciting, making my first GT worth it, even if Blackmoore ousted me off on the last game once again (it was fun though, Eldar vs Eldar hotness as Reece called it). Cosplayers were icing on the cake. I'll definitely be there next year!

About the forge world lascannons with 20+ T7 wounds, did they even give 1 kp up all weekend? 6 non stop twin linked str9 ap1 that you can't kill is a liitle over the top.

 Grimgob wrote:
About the forge world lascannons with 20+ T7 wounds, did they even give 1 kp up all weekend? 6 non stop twin linked str9 ap1 that you can't kill is a liitle over the top.

I do not think they are artillery, just a squad heavy weapon upgrade.

If they are artillery, then they are broken and brutal.

dkellyj wrote:
Yep, having the crowd mulling through would have made play impossible. As it was I had more than a few models picked up by the few people who were let in for closer looks. Nothing dropped or broken though.

I'm kinda bummed to hear this. I really wanted to attend this event, but now I am kind of glad I didn't. I would have absolutely lost my gak over this. Will there be anything in place next year to prevent this kind of thing.

It was great having so many new GT players! A lot of you guys were playing your first GT, which was awesome. Mikkoboi and Vince (Ren Man and Tournament Champ) were both first timers! Just goes to show you don't have to cut and past the interwebs to win a GT. Mikkoiboi had a Footdar army (DE/Eldar) Vince had a really different IG list that the average internet pundit would tell you was not optimized.

Here are the results!

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2012/09/17/comikaze-2012-results/

And because I know folks will ask, the first round shows all the points for your W/L/D record. We score a win at 1000pts, a tie at 500pts and a loss at 0pts. The points achieved during the rounds are added in as bonus points to stratify the field based on points accumulated within a given bracket.

It was also a blast going out Saki bombing with everyone afterwards and making new friends!

Already looking forward to next year, it's going to be awesome.


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@Grimgob

Dude, haha, you guys are spreading misinformation in a big way.

They are a Heavy Weapon Squad, a unit of 3 heavy weapons with 2 crew each. Exactly like an Ork Big Guns unit.

They can't be bought for a Squad of IG. They can't move and if the squad breaks, they all die.

@Blackmoor

Haha, buddy, come on! You don't know what they do and you didn't play against them, how are you calling them broken?

@Xenocidal Maniac

He was saying they WEREN'T in the playing area. We diverted all the looky loos outside of the event and said they could watch from behind the barricades. We didn't let them into the playing area.

That was what Spitfire Arsonist was complaining about, that we made everyone watch from outside the playing area.

I belive he said "if they are artillery they are brutal and broken".. The grots are pretty hard core but Ld 5, no armour, and they die if touched by anything mitagates their strengths (still most point efficent unit in the codex but not broken).
If the sabers are not artillery, I stand corrected. Someone told me they were part of the blob... My bad.