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Lynata wrote:

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I believe one was wiped out in the Cain novels, (it's Caves of Ice) flooded with promethium, blown up then the planet was scoured by lance batteries from an Ordo Xenos battlefleet, fire was directly in to the massive hole caused by an explosion that could be felt in orbit and was many kilotons of TNT to the equivalent. A FAE of unimagineable magnitude.

I reckon it's not that rare in licensed material - novels in particular have a tendency to make epic stuff seem like an everyday job, simply because just about every book tries to tell another "epic" story, thus making it inevitable that various feats get repeated over time. I suppose the moon blown up by the Sororitas in Hammer & Anvil qualifies as a tombworld as well, anyways.
Did something like that ever happen in GW fluff, though? I'm honestly not so sure now.

Considering the moon in Hammer and Anvil contained a MASSIVE Necron force to the ridiculous scale I'd count it as a tomb world most certainly. Nice crowning moment of Bad Ass for the Sisters and some proper revenge for Sanctuary 101. As to Rule Book/Codex fluff... your guess is as good as mine, but there's lots of things I don't remember from the Codex/BRB fluff that I just think of as "standard". I suppose it comes down to whether the fluff is canon or not, which GW says it is. So then it's down to whether or not you personally want to accept the fluff. IIRC the "Word of GW" on the matter is that all fluff is canon, not all fluff is true, some of it could be say Imperial Propaganda. Personally the Cain novels, Hammer and Anvil and a couple others are on my "confirmed true" list, but that's just my opinion.

GW never actually touched the term "canon" at all. The closest thing to an official statement was the "is it all true? yes and no, half-truths, blah blah" relativation you were referring to which was printed in both the White Dwarf as well as on Black Library's old FAQ.
A number of individual authors, amongst them ADB, Gav Thorpe, Andy Hoare and Dan Abnett have since made clear that there is no such thing as a canon and it's up to you as the individual gamer to decide what is "real" for your interpretation of the 'verse.
For example, I don't buy into the Cain novels at all - they fundamentally contradict the way I see the Schola Progenium, the Sororitas and the Commissariat working as per the GW fluff. On the other hand, I have adopted some stuff from Hammer & Anvil into my personal vision since it seems to fit in nicely with what I was already familiar with.

But that's why I was asking. From my understanding, most people respect what GW is writing in their books, whereas with novels it very often comes down to individual interpretation and bias. So a destroyed tombworld in a GW book might be "more acceptable to the general public", so to say.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:My friend who owns a bunch of codexes told me,

Salamanders only care about themselves and their people and that Nocturne is a Forge world with its own Imperial Guard and PDF

Nope

PresidentOfAsia wrote:All Inquisitors only do exterminatus regardless of anything

Some Inquisitors are a tad loose with exterminatuses, but the vast majority aren't.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Bloodthirsters are near impossible to kill and only primarchs can kill them

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guard has never won against Chaos before

I'm a Chaos fan but, nope. Imperial Guard have sometimes beaten chaos.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

Depends on the regiment and the battlefield. Most Guardsmen's lifespans are longer.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Being in the Imperial Guard is shameful

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Bloodthirsters have toughness 8

I think that one's right.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Sisters of battle are considered cannon fodder

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:All members of Ordo Xenos hate Eldar, even that guy who was invited by the Harlequins to spend the rest of life in the Black Library

Nope. A lot of members of Ordo Xenos hate Eldar, but some don't.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Its impossible for non space marine forces to win against Chaos at all

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Stormtroopers are genetically modified super soldiers

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Only those who are genetically modified get Bs 4

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Prometheus is a deathstar like moon built by Volkan

Nope.

here are some more:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Inquisitors don't bother to find out anything and use exterminatus freely; even if they kind of think there is a possibility of a taint

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Officials aren't cared for

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Terminator Armor is the only thing in the Galaxy that can provide a 2+ save(not counting Orks)

Nope.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Only a Space Marine can have t4 fluff wise

Nope.


Verify these please?

purplefood wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

I see what your friend is getting at with that. They have a front line life expectancy of fifteen hours.

Still not true...
In that particular battlefield the life expectancy of a new guardsman was 15 hours...

No, in the IG novel Ice Warriors (I think that was the title), it said the life expectancy of any new Guardsman was 15 hours, IIRC.

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

I see what your friend is getting at with that. They have a front line life expectancy of fifteen hours.

Still not true...
In that particular battlefield the life expectancy of a new guardsman was 15 hours...

No, in the IG novel Ice Warriors (I think that was the title), it said the life expectancy of any new Guardsman was 15 hours, IIRC.

I believe the book was "15 Hours".

Eat the face of your friend, he's on bathsalts.

DemetriDominov wrote:Eat the face of your friend

lol, is that Miami zombie story becoming a meme now?

Coolyo294 wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

I see what your friend is getting at with that. They have a front line life expectancy of fifteen hours.

Still not true...
In that particular battlefield the life expectancy of a new guardsman was 15 hours...

No, in the IG novel Ice Warriors (I think that was the title), it said the life expectancy of any new Guardsman was 15 hours, IIRC.

I believe the book was "15 Hours".

And, if you read the novel, it specifically says it is the lifetime of a new soldier in that specific battlefield...

ok, I have to correct everyone on this thread, per the 40k codex Chaos Daemons, Blood Thirsters are toughness 6 (oddly enough, the same toughness as a GUO O.o )

purplefood wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

I see what your friend is getting at with that. They have a front line life expectancy of fifteen hours.

Still not true...
In that particular battlefield the life expectancy of a new guardsman was 15 hours...

No, in the IG novel Ice Warriors (I think that was the title), it said the life expectancy of any new Guardsman was 15 hours, IIRC.

I believe the book was "15 Hours".

And, if you read the novel, it specifically says it is the lifetime of a new soldier in that specific battlefield...

I know about the book 15 Hours. Ice Warriors is a completely different book. The only place I've ever seen it is in Hammer Of The Emperor: An IG Omnibus.

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

I see what your friend is getting at with that. They have a front line life expectancy of fifteen hours.

Still not true...
In that particular battlefield the life expectancy of a new guardsman was 15 hours...

No, in the IG novel Ice Warriors (I think that was the title), it said the life expectancy of any new Guardsman was 15 hours, IIRC.

I believe the book was "15 Hours".

And, if you read the novel, it specifically says it is the lifetime of a new soldier in that specific battlefield...

I know about the book 15 Hours. Ice Warriors is a completely different book. The only place I've ever seen it is in Hammer Of The Emperor: An IG Omnibus.

Well i have both of them outside of the Omnibus.
Ice Warriors is about Valhallans.
15 Hours is about... well it speaks for itself really...

Also, I was told by him that Ghazgkull is the most undefeatable thing in the Galaxy and nothing can defeat; he also told me that Ghazgkull is bigger then a carnifex and can destroy titans and baneblades with one or a few hit and he has single handedly destroyed baneblade/titan legions

PresidentOfAsia wrote:
Also, I was told by him that Ghazgkull is the most undefeatable thing in the Galaxy and nothing can defeat; he also told me that Ghazgkull is bigger then a carnifex and can destroy titans and baneblades with one or a few hit and he has single handedly destroyed baneblade/titan legions

Wrong again.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:

All members of Ordo Xenos hate Eldar, even that guy who was invited by the Harlequins to spend the rest of life in the Black Library

As per Eldar codex and Atlas Infernal, that one is not correct at all, Czevak admires the Eldar and preaches a non-violent approach toward them.

All of this is false. i am wandering where did you even get that stuff from...

 purplefood wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:

DOOMBREAD wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Glorioski wrote:

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Imperial Guardsmen only have the life expectency of 6 minutes

I see what your friend is getting at with that. They have a front line life expectancy of fifteen hours.

Still not true...
In that particular battlefield the life expectancy of a new guardsman was 15 hours...

No, in the IG novel Ice Warriors (I think that was the title), it said the life expectancy of any new Guardsman was 15 hours, IIRC.

I believe the book was "15 Hours".

And, if you read the novel, it specifically says it is the lifetime of a new soldier in that specific battlefield...

I know about the book 15 Hours. Ice Warriors is a completely different book. The only place I've ever seen it is in Hammer Of The Emperor: An IG Omnibus.

Well i have both of them outside of the Omnibus.
Ice Warriors is about Valhallans.
15 Hours is about... well it speaks for itself really...

Yes, but in Ice Warriors, it says the life expectancy of a newly recruited Guardsman is 15 hours. When someone says "the life expectancy of a Guardsman is 15 hours", doesn't that probably refer to any Guardsman, anywhere, irrelevant of what regiment is featured in the book?

The 15 hours thing was about new replacements for frontline units, in Broucheroc. Not guardsmen everywhere.

The "Imperial Guard have a life expectancy of 6 minutes" might be because he's misremembering a peice of Starcraft fluff:

"While expendable, the massive losses of terran Marines during the Great War began to become cost prohibitive. The Medic's use of chemical modifiers has greatly enhanced the survival rate of UED forces, lengthening the expected battlefield life expectancy to over nine seconds."

No offense to the OP but is your friend like 12 years old? A lot of just seems to be taking a piece of information from a given source, and then exaggerating it ridiculously hyperbolic levels. The last bit about Ghazzie in particular. Sure, he's powerful, he's The Beast of Armageddon, but even he cant down a Titan in a few whacks with his powerklaw.

For those curious about the badassitude of Bloodthirsters, here's the current breakdown:
Regular ole B'thirsters are T6 in 40k and fantasy
Exalted Bloodthirsters are T7 in Fantasy SoM
An'ggrath the Unbound is T8
So everyone wins.
Kind of.

 Skycrawler wrote:
The 15 hours thing was about new replacements for frontline units, in Broucheroc. Not guardsmen everywhere.

That's what was stated in 15 Hours. In Ice Warriors, it says that's the life expectancy for any new Guardsman.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Hmm there may be a single nugget of truth in there, AFAIK no Necron tomb world has been completely destroyed.

I believe one was wiped out in the Cain novels, (it's Caves of Ice) flooded with promethium, blown up then the planet was scoured by lance batteries from an Ordo Xenos battlefleet, fire was directly in to the massive hole caused by an explosion that could be felt in orbit and was many kilotons of TNT to the equivalent. A FAE of unimagineable magnitude.

Also did the Astral Knights destroy one (with aid from several other chapters) and get wiped out in the process?

 Surtur wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Hmm there may be a single nugget of truth in there, AFAIK no Necron tomb world has been completely destroyed.

I believe one was wiped out in the Cain novels, (it's Caves of Ice) flooded with promethium, blown up then the planet was scoured by lance batteries from an Ordo Xenos battlefleet, fire was directly in to the massive hole caused by an explosion that could be felt in orbit and was many kilotons of TNT to the equivalent. A FAE of unimagineable magnitude.

Also did the Astral Knights destroy one (with aid from several other chapters) and get wiped out in the process?

That was a Necron world engine. So literally a Necron equivalent of the death star with void shields that are unmatched by any ship encountered in codex fluff (and it is not hinted at that any BL fluff contradicts this.)

 Ronin wrote:
No offense to the OP but is your friend like 12 years old? A lot of just seems to be taking a piece of information from a given source, and then exaggerating it ridiculously hyperbolic levels. The last bit about Ghazzie in particular. Sure, he's powerful, he's The Beast of Armageddon, but even he cant down a Titan in a few whacks with his powerklaw.

I'm 18 and he's a few years older then me but I usually don't believe anything he says even in non 40k stuff and fluff

On a side note on non 40k stuff, he said that the seven of the old Nine Men of Disney are black and the reason why we think they are white is b/c photos of them are in black/white. That was the thing that made him lose all credibility to me at that point.

Well I read an IG novel, and the title was 15 hours aroun that, that there is the life expectancy of a guardsmen.

kanekaneo wrote:
Well I read an IG novel, and the title was 15 hours aroun that, that there is the life expectancy of a guardsmen.

Of a replacement guardsmen in that one warzone.

Guys, this 15 hours debate is literally going nowhere, I think it's about time to just let it go.

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Guys, this 15 hours debate is literally going nowhere, I think it's about time to just let it go.

^ Is the best idea.

Option B if you want it ended with a victory is to give the page number from Ice Warriors where that quote is. Done and dusted. One side will have to give up, and we can move on with rebutting the rest of the OPs mate's terrible fluff conceptions.

 motyak wrote:

Option B if you want it ended with a victory is to give the page number from Ice Warriors where that quote is.

I don't have the book with me right now, but as soon as I can get it, I will post it.

 DOOMBREAD wrote:

 motyak wrote:

Option B if you want it ended with a victory is to give the page number from Ice Warriors where that quote is.

I don't have the book with me right now, but as soon as I can get it, I will post it.

Brilliant. Then it will be over.