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timd wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
GW used to sell their bases direct, but I haven't seen them in my store for ages.

They are still there. Last listing under paints and tools...

They're just ridiculously expensive. Ten of the 25mm bases for $4.50, when I can go to the Warstore's bits section and get 20 for $3.99?

I order my loose 25mms from em4, which has 20 for about $3.25 / £2.04, which is way, way better than GW's price point. They also do the ever-useful 30mm and 50mm rounds (with GWish edge profile, not the "wm" style rounding).

You can order them, but in stores you have to buy the base pack, which only has a certain number of 25mm, with an inflated price to account for all the bases you don't need or want.

Champ industries makes some excellent 25mm bases with sci-fi deck like on ships and cobblestone textures. I bought a bunch to use with my marines and they were really inexpensive. They are black plastic exactly like GW with the same profile and space underneath, only drawback is he didn't make any other sizes. I'd give the web page but I'm on my phone right now and its on my desktop.

http://www.champindustries.net/bases.html

Plastic industrial bases? Wow! And at $0.30 each it looks like a great deal. Shame he only sells a couple of designs, especially since he has been in business since 2003!

It might be that he's just doing this in his garage and hasn't had enough requests or revenue for more.

At the price Plastruct is now sold for, I will definitely be considering this te replace my imperial guard. Once I find models.

...if only he did them @ 40mm as well, I'd be sold on them. Damn!

Those Champ Ind. bases are nice. I will be getting a good number, thanks for the link.

Bolognesus: have you sent them an email to inquire?

Can anyone verify if Champ Industries is still in business or not? I tried contacting them a couple of months back but wasn't able to get any replies.

...Didn't really bother. I mean, he'd have to tool injection molds for those; that's quite a major expense so I figured it's not going to matter much sending an email.

It's not exactly an end-of-the-world situation for me either way

I just sent them an email, can't hurt.

About being in business, not the new product.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

xxvaderxx wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
We don't know yet, it may be $40... was $30 per box of 20 via KS, but only if you bought 3.

It's a Steal at $30, retail won't be that low.

Not saying they are ugly models or anything but $40 would push them toward the "GW premium kind of thing" which i am no longer doing.

Not really. You're paying 40 for 20 minis as opposed to 30 for 10 (guardsmen) or roughly 37 for 10 (space marines last i checked)

Bare minimum, at 40 bucks for 20, they're still a 1/3 cheaper than GW, for equal/higher quality. Not nearly as much a premium as opposed to starting a GW army.

I think its unfair to not mention that you get a pretty excessive amount of bitz to customise the DF troops too

Very true. And once the Valkirs are available, the bulk of those minis will definitely make them strong contenders for Space Marine count-as, at again a steep discount.

42$ for 20 Space Marines? Yes please. Need Devastators? 11$ for 5 heavy weapons? Sure.

I could very well see myself bringing a Grey Knight analog contingent to the table using these puppies.

When I had ordered from him it took about a week to get a response. This was about a year ago. He told me he was unable to get it set up for 40 mm at that time. But maybe we can get him to start a kickstarter to develop them, Lord knows we don't hav enough of those starting each week. I ordered enough of the tech deck ones for a battle company with extras for son scouts, officers and veterans. He shipped quickly and was very professional when I talked to him. Way back during marks first kickstarter I suggested he get into contact with this guy to use his bases, but h was wanting the round lips for style I think.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Very true. And once the Valkirs are available, the bulk of those minis will definitely make them strong contenders for Space Marine count-as, at again a steep discount.

42$ for 20 Space Marines? Yes please. Need Devastators? 11$ for 5 heavy weapons? Sure.

I could very well see myself bringing a Grey Knight analog contingent to the table using these puppies.

yeah, I have a crappton on the way, basic germans will be sisters of battle, heavies will be allied grey knights, adepticonstructs as penitent engines, mini mortis's as dreadknights

adepticonstructs? Please enlighten me...

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
adepticonstructs? Please enlighten me...

Adepticon '12 LE model

 Grundz wrote:


yeah, I have a crappton on the way, basic germans will be sisters of battle, heavies will be allied grey knights, adepticonstructs as penitent engines, mini mortis's as dreadknights

I'm going to use my mini-leviathans as dreadknights and either forge/maulerfiends. Can't wait til next year to get a hold of these guys!

That CANNOT be limited edition... come on! I'd have bought half a dozen!


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and none on eBay. figures.

 Salacious Greed wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, this will cause GW to up its game.

Hell no it wont. We all know GW doesnt try to match someone who outdoes them...they will try to find some ground, no matter how shaky, to issue a C&D, if that doesnt work then GW will just pretend Dreamforge doesnt exist.

I'd be perfectly happy with GW ignoring DFG. A C&D notice would probably just bring the whole thing under, unfortunately.

Exactly what could GW claim as infringement? Nothing DFG has looks like anything made by GW.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
adepticonstructs? Please enlighten me...

 Breotan wrote:
Exactly what could GW claim as infringement? Nothing DFG has looks like anything made by GW.

That's not the point. The point is whether DFG could afford to fight the claim.....probably not, that's how GW roles, I don't think they ever expected chapterhouse to ever put up such a fight. If anyone were to come after DFG for infringement it would be lucas, the stormtroopers have some similarities to Imperial stormtroopers, they even have the smile(frown whatever) and carry MG42's and are called stormtroopers..........I think it would be a real stretch though as none of those things are copyrightable and there are also plenty of differences.

Well, Lucas took "Stormtroopers" from the Heer of WW1 (and WW2) and MG42s from the Nazis, so he's hardly got a leg to stand on there. Many of the Kerberos Panzer Cops also have gas masks with the "frown", and they also have the Stahlhelm - and have been around for 25 years.

So anyway, I think we're safe there. Chapterhouse was much more blatant in following the "GW aesthetic" - and naming it as such, while DreamForge ..isn't even following the "GW aesthetic."

 scipio.au wrote:
Well, Lucas took "Stormtroopers" from the Heer of WW1 (and WW2) and MG42s from the Nazis, so he's hardly got a leg to stand on there. Many of the Kerberos Panzer Cops also have gas masks with the "frown", and they also have the Stahlhelm - and have been around for 25 years.

So anyway, I think we're safe there. Chapterhouse was much more blatant in following the "GW aesthetic" - and naming it as such, while DreamForge ..isn't even following the "GW aesthetic."

GW fllys pretty freely with those charges though. I would be surprised if they did, as I can't see any grounds......but not terribly so.

Yes I do also think charperhouse was more or less pushing the envelope a bit, but I've also heard of some pretty out there GW claims before. Especially considering the amount of pilfering that GW has done themselves.

Kerberos have gas masks but i've never really noticed the frown, I don't think it's the same. I mean, I guess it's there, maybe I've been distracted by the glowing eyes, but the stormtroopers are really similar. Either way I'm sure they are safe.

 Commander Cain wrote:
Plastic industrial bases? Wow! And at $0.30 each it looks like a great deal. Shame he only sells a couple of designs, especially since he has been in business since 2003!

Yeah lack of income to do more styles. These are injection molded and the mold is expensive. I have been toying around with setting up a Kickstarter to go after more styles and the larger bases.

If anyone is aware of Singh vs. BCA, it's never really the strength of the leg you have to stand on that matters, but how much money you have to throw at legal fees that is usually the determining factor in british court cases.

Fortunately, none of the above mentionned are even close enough to exclusively under GW's wing, and there is a game being developped, so here's to hoping! Or hopping, however you want to do it.


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Welcome aboard, Champ91! Did my email prompt your presence here?