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Hello, what is the verdict on the C'tan shards? Are there any good uses for them? I think they look very cool, but MC's are often priced quite high and there are a lott of other good options in the Necron codex. And if they are good, in what lists are they good? (One with other high damadge soak units like doom cannon and monolith etc?)

Writhing worldscape with tremor stave crpteks is the only real build for them that I've seen. Preferably with a monolith they can hide behind so no one can shoot them ...

Writhing worldscape with tremor staves is not that impressive if you meet the good old parking lot or another gunline. It also sounds like a massive amount of point for a cool pony trick (Monolith, the C'tan, HQ and royal court.)

Against armies with poison (Demons, DE, and Nids) leave them at home. Against MEQ and other elite enemies they can be fantastic. Give it Pyreshards and Gaze of Death and you have a super nasty unit that can threaten everything.

The problems of course are delivery and cost. The above load out is freakin 250pts and it still only has a 6" movement. However, when I bring mine, I keep it hidden and as counter-charge since I run a phalanx and believe me, few enemies wish to tangle with that thing in CC.

Writhing Worldscape is great for shooty lists in general, as it means any enemy that's assaulting is going to take longer doing so. But to make it worth the points, you need to find something for the C'tan to break too, without dying itself.

I've fought the c'tan numerous times and I agree, don't get into combat with them. They cost a lot of points but it's rare for me to attack one. My firepower is usually better spent elsewhere and with only 6'' movement, I can avoid it most of the battle. If it wants to get into combat then I won't argue. It can only chomp through a squad or two per battle and against a guard player, it isn't going to make its points back like that.

Remember that you automatically win if your opponent has no models on the table at the end of any game turn. If your opponent is known for taking small, elite armies then take Grand Illusion to force upto three of his units off the table into reserve and then try to wipe out what's left before the rest of the army arrives.

My verdict is: They're good.

I have so far had a fair amount of success using a C'tan shard with Time's Arrow and whatnot alongside a unit of Wraiths.

Ghaz wrote:Remember that you automatically win if your opponent has no models on the table at the end of any game turn. If your opponent is known for taking small, elite armies then take Grand Illusion to force upto three of his units off the table into reserve and then try to wipe out what's left before the rest of the army arrives.

Um... you can't do that. You don't get to deploy or redeploy your opponents units, sorry.

In general, I don't see C'tan making their points back in most games. I'm really surprised that they don't have a wings option as either Jump or Flying (Please, White Dwarf... please!!!)

Imo, they suffer the very same fate as Monoliths: cool models, but utterly lacking gameplay-wise.

The C'tan is a huge model that comes at a huge price and barely provides your army with anything it needs. If it still had T8, it would be fine, but with T7, the only thing it's going to fight is the dust on my shelf.

I think people forget that the Necron codex isn't about using a single awesome unit, rather, it's about synergy and C'tan shards certainly have their place in that synergy.

wel writhing worldscape plus tremor staves strat took a huge hit in 6th since you get armor against dangerous terrain so not nearly as good.

 King Pariah wrote:
I think people forget that the Necron codex isn't about using a single awesome unit, rather, it's about synergy and C'tan shards certainly have their place in that synergy.

This

They are phenomenal if utilized and deployed correctly. S7 T7 Monstrous Creature that can dominate a fair number of units in the game. Gaze of Death can be damned scary, along with Moulder of Worlds (24" Large Blast). Do I run one every game? No. Are they fun to use to mix up lists against repeat/common opponents? Absolutely!

 King Pariah wrote:
I think people forget that the Necron codex isn't about using a single awesome unit, rather, it's about synergy and C'tan shards certainly have their place in that synergy.

What synergy then? Worldscape + Tremorstaff became way too expensive now vs. most armies since you can now take armor saves. The rest of the shard's powers, imo, do not synergize with anything...

Stealth synergizes with shrouding, giving the C'Tan a 2+ cover save at that range of night fighting, which is always fun. Lord of Fire synergizes with Monoliths, which synergize back with LOS blacking bigness. WW isn't a world beater, but it still is a psychological deterrent.

I've always wanted to run a list with a few, plus a few mono's. Teleport them around, kill stuff. I remember seeing someone post a list they had success with that had two and 9 spyders.

What is your C'Tan doing then at 36+ range?

Monoliths are, imo, a big loser in 6th due to them losing their deepstrike immunity (which is completely slowed btw) and the introduction of hull points. They aren't worth 200 points.

My point is: when I make an army list, I think about what I'm going to need. Anti-tank, anti-infantry, objective grabbers etc. I don't see any position a C'Tan might fit in.

Especially not at its ridiculously points cost. I mean, really? He is more expensive than a f-ing monolith!

 Ghaz wrote:
Remember that you automatically win if your opponent has no models on the table at the end of any game turn. If your opponent is known for taking small, elite armies then take Grand Illusion to force upto three of his units off the table into reserve and then try to wipe out what's left before the rest of the army arrives.

Grand illusion works on friendly units. This says my German codex.

 Sigvatr wrote:
What is your C'Tan doing then at 36+ range?

Monoliths are, imo, a big loser in 6th due to them losing their deepstrike immunity (which is completely slowed btw) and the introduction of hull points. They aren't worth 200 points.

My point is: when I make an army list, I think about what I'm going to need. Anti-tank, anti-infantry, objective grabbers etc. I don't see any position a C'Tan might fit in.

Especially not at its ridiculously points cost. I mean, really? He is more expensive than a f-ing monolith!

It may not work for you, it may not work for a lot of people. However, that's the beauty of the Cron codex, there are many competitive builds. As for me, C'tan with Time's Arrow alongside Wraiths with whip coils and whatnot has yet to fail me in taking out that one particularly annoying character/unit.

Also, I have found several people (including myself) love Grand Illusion, redeploying D3 units can be quite handy and can change the dynamic of the battle before it even starts.

As for Writhing Worldscape? May not be as good as it was, but still downright dandy when used alongside Orikan for thinning out your opposition without having to waste firepower to do so. Might not be worth it to you, but to someone else? Perhaps.