Daemons of Chaos Rumours (Fantasy & 40k) - First post updated with release list, prices, and pics!

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**pizzaguardian**

New release list;

New Range Items

Warhammer: Daemons of Chaos

96 page full colour, hardback Warhammer Armies book

Codex: Chaos Daemons

· 104 page full colour, hardback Codex

Chaos Daemons: Plague Drones of Nurgle

This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes three Plague Drones that are multi-posable and offer collectors a large variety when assembling them

Chaos Daemons: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch/Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot of Tzeentch

This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch or a Herald of Tzeentch on a Burning Chariot of Tzeentch

Chaos Daemons: Blood Throne of Khorne/Skull Cannon of Khorne

This box contains a multipart plastic kit that makes either a Blood Throne of Khorne or a Skull Cannon of Khorne

Herald of Nurgle

This Clampack contains a new plastic Herald of Nurgle on a sculpted base
New Finecast Releases

Herald of Khorne

A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature

Herald of Slaanesh

A clampack that contains one highly detailed Citadel Finecast resin miniature

Available While Stocks Last
These Items are highly limited, please request the quantity you require and we will supply you as close to this number as we can.

Warhammer Battle Magic: Daemons of Chaos

A deck of 21 cards that contains the 6 spells for the Lores of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh as well as their signature spells

Psychic Powers: Chaos Daemons

A deck of 12 cards that contains the Primaris powers and 3 Psychic powers for the Lores Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle as well

Note: These will be released at the end of februrary

**lord_blackfang**

Nurgle is the one miniature line that works in Failcast, so obviously they'll make the Nurgle stuff plastic and the rest in resin.

**kronk**

Codex: Chaos Daemons · 104 page full colour, hardback Codex

Yes!

Psychic Powers: Chaos Daemons - A deck of 12 cards that contains the Primaris powers and 3 Psychic powers for the Lores Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle as well

NOOO!! No more gifts? Damn.

**undertow**

pizzaguardian wrote:
A deck of 12 cards that contains the Primaris powers and 3 Psychic powers for the Lores Tzeentch, Slaanesh, Nurgle as well

This has me worried. While I wouldn't mind having some access to the BRB powers, I really don't want to have to roll on a table to get my anti-tank powers.

I guess on the plus side, Dark Excommunication won't work any more. Or, it won't work on some things.

**pretre**

@pizzaguardian: Source?

**praetor24**

I am in an GW-procucts embargo period and I do not think that I will change my opinion even if the minis are stunning. After all, there is the quite real limit in what you can buy with these prices!

**pizzaguardian**

Do i have to tell my source?

I prefer not to.

**kronk**

Is this from your FLGS?

Thanks for sharing! If true, this made my day!

**pizzaguardian**

It is much more reliable then that.

I wouldn't have posted it if i thought it was not going to happen

.

**pretre**

So you are the source, that is fine. Welcome to being tracked!

**timetowaste85**

pizzaguardian wrote:
Do i have to tell my source?

I prefer not to.

No, you don't have to-this is the internet, after all. There are plenty who don't want to reveal their sources, because they don't want to make anybody else look bad if the rumor is false, or if GW has fed it to them to look for leaks. I'm in the same boat at the moment, myself. People just probably won't believe you until the stuff comes out, at worst case-but do you really care if a handful of guys you'll never meet believe you or not? If you're on par here, they'll listen to you without issue later. If you're not, they'll ignore you later. You know whether it's worth it to reveal or not.

**pizzaguardian**

pretre wrote:
So you are the source, that is fine. Welcome to being tracked!

Such an honor

**pretre**

TastyTaste from Blood of Kittens wrote:
I am one to think that they aren't coming out just yet, but maybe with the April release. With rules rumors being hard to come by let us look at some obvious ones right in front us and others not so much.

As most people realize Daemons will lose both Fearless and Eternal Warrior replaced with 5+ invulnerable and Fear. Eternal Warrior never really made sense in the grand scheme of things anyway because wouldn't Force Weapons be perfect to "banish" Daemons back to the War? As for Fearless, see a return of "instability" which is going to be close to 5th edition Fearless.

As I stated in a previous rumor GW is hell-bent on having each army hate something. Daemons are no different they just seem to hate themselves now.

Taking a look at the Chaos Space Marine and Warriors of Chaos books you can see where this is going. Each Chaos God units will hate a certain other god. This leads into the next rules change right in front of us. Depending on the Daemon's God it will determine the special abilities they get.

Khorne: Furious Charge

Slaanesh: Rending, Run bonus, Fleet

Tzeentch: Re-roll 1s for saves

Nurgle: Slow & Purposeful, Shrouded

Other changes that will surely happen...

Flamers and Screamers are getting nerfed, but the real big change will be Deamons having standard Deployment rules: no more Daemonic Assault.

The big reason Deamons were fast tracked has to do with Alessio Cavatore. Chatting with a few inside GW there has been an everything Alessio purge, and Daemons are the last big chunk of Alessio material left. Yeah, I know it sounds kinda petty, but it was a major impetus to get Daemons done. Daemons will still primarily be an assault based army, but that is the nature of the models having to be used both for Fantasy and 40k. That means Daemons will rely on speed to get across the board. Expect Chariots, warp portals, beasts, cavalry, jump troops to help with all this. Then there is cover saves Nurgle is the first piece of the puzzle, but just like certain Dark Angel things expect a "Clouds of Flies" to provide bonuses to cover saves all around. Chaos Space Marines and Deamons ICs will be able to join each other as long as their gods match up.

Things have been spares from all rumor mongers, but a lot has to do with GW "renewed" lock down; translated GW rumor monger wack'a'mole.

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pizzaguardian wrote:
pretre wrote:
So you are the source, that is fine. Welcome to being tracked!

Such an honor

**Pox Apostle**

I can the hear the flies buzzing now!! My Death Guard army is quite pleased with these rumors. I can't wait for some new Nurgle Daemons!

**wyomingfox**

pizzaguardian wrote:
Do i have to tell my source?

I prefer not to.

Petre was asking if you were quoting another rumormonger who posted in a separate thread or website. For example, are you quoting something that Harry posted up on Warseer or something that TastyTaste posted on Blood of Kittens.

If you are posting something that you heard through your own personal channel (like a friend or a quentenance who is involved in the industry), then you are effectively a rumor mounger and the internet source.

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

So what are the chances that the plague drones in WFB will be flying monstrous cavalry, after all fantasy is all about the monstrous cavalry now lol

**undertow**

pretre wrote:
TastyTaste from Blood of Kittens wrote:
I am one to think that they aren't coming out just yet, but maybe with the April release. With rules rumors being hard to come by let us look at some obvious ones right in front us and others not so much.

As most people realize Daemons will lose both Fearless and Eternal Warrior replaced with 5+ invulnerable and Fear. Eternal Warrior never really made sense in the grand scheme of things anyway because wouldn't Force Weapons be perfect to "banish" Daemons back to the War? As for Fearless, see a return of "instability" which is going to be close to 5th edition Fearless.

As I stated in a previous rumor GW is hell-bent on having each army hate something. Daemons are no different they just seem to hate themselves now.

Taking a look at the Chaos Space Marine and Warriors of Chaos books you can see where this is going. Each Chaos God units will hate a certain other god. This leads into the next rules change right in front of us. Depending on the Daemon's God it will determine the special abilities they get.

Khorne: Furious Charge

Slaanesh: Rending, Run bonus, Fleet

Tzeentch: Re-roll 1s for saves

Nurgle: Slow & Purposeful, Shrouded

Other changes that will surely happen...

Flamers and Screamers are getting nerfed, but the real big change will be Deamons having standard Deployment rules: no more Daemonic Assault.

The big reason Deamons were fast tracked has to do with Alessio Cavatore. Chatting with a few inside GW there has been an everything Alessio purge, and Daemons are the last big chunk of Alessio material left. Yeah, I know it sounds kinda petty, but it was a major impetus to get Daemons done. Daemons will still primarily be an assault based army, but that is the nature of the models having to be used both for Fantasy and 40k. That means Daemons will rely on speed to get across the board. Expect Chariots, warp portals, beasts, cavalry, jump troops to help with all this. Then there is cover saves Nurgle is the first piece of the puzzle, but just like certain Dark Angel things expect a "Clouds of Flies" to provide bonuses to cover saves all around. Chaos Space Marines and Deamons ICs will be able to join each other as long as their gods match up.

Things have been spares from all rumor mongers, but a lot has to do with GW "renewed" lock down; translated GW rumor monger wack'a'mole.

I really don't like these rumors from Tastytaste. I looked him up in the tracker and he seems to have a good record. This makes me sad.

I'd be OK with losing Eternal Warrior on some or even all of my units, I even expect to see flamers and screamers nerfed. I really don't want to have to deploy stuff at the start of the game. I really don't want massive, sweeping changes to the army I love.

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UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
So what are the chances that the plague drones in WFB will be flying monstrous cavalry, after all fantasy is all about the monstrous cavalry now lol

I wonder if they'll be like the Forgeworld blight drones, Jet bikes with Str:8 Ap:3 large blasts? Yes please.

**pretre**

wyomingfox wrote:
pizzaguardian wrote:
Do i have to tell my source?

I prefer not to.

Petre was asking if you were quoting another rumormonger who posted in a separate thread or website. For example, are you quoting something that Harry posted up on Warseer or something that TastyTaste posted on Blood of Kittens.

If you are posting something that you heard through your own personal channel (like a friend or a quentenance who is involved in the industry), then you are effectively a rumor mounger and the internet source.

Just so. I need to make myself more clear when I ask that question.

**Just Dave**

Thanks for the info - and making me hungry - Pizzaguardian.

So it doesn't look like Plastic GD's in the first wave - if ever - then...

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

As expected based on GWs new release model, minis for new units get released first. Plastic GDs will surely follow later.

**timetowaste85**

Well, feth, I hate these rumors. Hope TT is wrong. I realize new rules will pop up. BUT! So far we are losing everything that makes this army unique. Full on deep strike? Army wide EW? If they keep EW on DPs and GDs, I'll be happy. They SHOULD have it. Now we have psychic spells just like every other yahoo army here? What happened to the pure draw from the warp that made it shooting? Sigh. I'd rather keep the old book. New units=good. Removal of old rules=sucktacular.

**Hulksmash**

Rumor lines up with GW practices of late. New units getting models at release with probable follow-up models in plastic for existing finecast/metal figures. Personally I'm looking forward to it. I'm a little sad that I'm likely to wind up with even more chariots. Already have 9 of the Slaanesh ones.

@Timetowaste

I wouldn't worry to much about it. We'll know for sure in about 2 weeks when pre-orders go up if he is right since he thinks april at the earliest for the books. Also this isn't as specific as normal and feels like he's grabbing things from the CSM book and running with it. Guess we'll see.

**reds8n**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HeYgzDvqOK4

obligatory Youtube teaser.

**Lake**

Do we know who the Author is?

**blood reaper**

reds8n wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HeYgzDvqOK4

obligatory Youtube teaser.

They can't even show images....

**buckero0**

shouldn't we have some pictures floating around if it's coming out next week? or is that when they're expecting the pictures to drop and the aotual release date is in March?

**pretre**

buckero0 wrote:
shouldn't we have some pictures floating around if it's coming out next week? or is that when they're expecting the pictures to drop and the aotual release date is in March?

It is odd that we haven't seen leaks yet.

**Experiment 626**

The TastyTaste rumors are god-awful if they turn out to be true...

I don't care about losing army-wide Eternal Warrior, but everything else?
- Daemons IIRC have *always* been 'Fearless'. Instability has 0 place in 40k and I have a feeling that bringing such a mechanic will ultimently screw over the army and turn us into the newest punching bag.

- Always deploying normally now? Well crap, there goes our uniqueness right out the window.

- Psychic powers are fine as long as we still keep Daemonic Gifts!!!
Now if GW has gone and made every single one of our shooting abilities into a fancy psychic power, well poop, Daemons are now crap. (I honestly doubt this will happen - more likely it's only the really 'big bang' effects and things like Warpfire & Doombolt will stay as they currently are... I hope...)

I'm eagerly awaiting the first model pics though! And hopefully GW doesn't royally screw us up for the third time in a row!

**blood reaper**

Daemonic instability and a loss of fearless....

No....no it cannot....it cannot be true....

**pretre**

Keep in mind that most of Tasty's remarks are speculation.