Daemons of Chaos Rumours (Fantasy & 40k) - First post updated with release list, prices, and pics!

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**Laughing Man**

Vetric wrote:
Leth wrote:
Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"

Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.

Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'. If someone doesn't like them, cool. No worries. Say so. Doesn't have to include a debate on artistic or modelling merit if they don't like . Even just a "I know what I likes, and this isn't it."

As it happens, I'm not really liking what I've seen so far for this release. It just doesn't work for me, yet. I know I shouldn't expect Forgeworld Plague Drones, but that's kind of what I was thinking for those Plague riders.

Especially when they kept the same name, yeah. I wanted corroded Fallout rejects, dammit. :(

**Vetric**

Laughing Man wrote:
Vetric wrote:
Leth wrote:
Still if you hate it that is fine. but if you could keep the insults of people who may enjoy it to a minimum that would be much appreciated. Things like "Only a blind idiot would like this" or "What kind of dumbass would spend money on this stuff"

Know I am going to get flamed for this but figured I would try anyway.

Someone probably will take you up on that, but not me. I agree. It's not a race for 'most over the top statement of dislike'. If someone doesn't like them, cool. No worries. Say so. Doesn't have to include a debate on artistic or modelling merit if they don't like . Even just a "I know what I likes, and this isn't it."

As it happens, I'm not really liking what I've seen so far for this release. It just doesn't work for me, yet. I know I shouldn't expect Forgeworld Plague Drones, but that's kind of what I was thinking for those Plague riders.

Especially when they kept the same name, yeah. I wanted corroded Fallout rejects, dammit. :(

They really made me think of the first Anthony Reynolds Word Bearers books. The part told from the perspective of the enforcer who gets enslaved and forced to help build the giant spire.

Still, I have hope the new range will be more appealing in real life than in those particular pics

**eohall**

I get where everyone is coming from on the hate for these. I was initially disappointed too.

But then I realized with a bit of time that I really like them for two big reasons:

1. They embody the playful and humorous spirit of classic late eighties GW

2. They look like Ian Miller art come to life.

**notprop**

Bollox!

I couldn't beat the old Chaos Demons, it would appear I have no chance now!

**reds8n**

If we can please stick to the topic at hand rather than a ABC is better/worse than XYZ please.

Thanks.

**Puscifer**

eohall wrote:
I get where everyone is coming from on the hate for these. I was initially disappointed too.

But then I realized with a bit of time that I really like them for two big reasons:

1. They embody the playful and humorous spirit of classic late eighties GW

2. They look like Ian Miller art come to life.

1) I didn't see that until you said it and I totally agree.

2) I was thinking John Blanche myself. Hell, add a couple of flying skulls to the Khorne stuff and it'll look great.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
After you pointing this out, they don't seem too bad.

**Onion_Knight**

I have been lurking on dakka for about four years now...these models have finally inspired me to make an account and add my voice to the choir, such was the emotion they stirred in me.

They are ATROCIOUS. As in "blight against humanity," eldritch horrors, madness-inducing, destroyers of the spirit of humanity. This is coming from someone who has been a GW fanboy for nigh over a decade...what were they thinking? We know they are capable of making amazing miniatures, and now we get these...these...abominations. The khorne chariot looks like a happy meal toy. The chariot with the flamer on top looks more like it's spouting a row of trees than a tide of warp flame.

the nurgle herald looks inferior to what you can make from the (excellent) plastic box imo. why not give us the greater daemons everyone wants?

If you like these models, I am happy for you. But this to me is probably one of the worst GW releases since the Beastmen.

**Slaanesh-Devotee**

I think the drones look kinda cool, I like the slightly manic idea of them. However, I will admit it is the conceit I like more than the models themselves necessarily.
I like the heralds too, though the chariots aren't so interesting to me. The seaweed covered Tzeentch chariot looks utterly bizarre, and no not in a 'it looks that way because they are unimaginable daemons' way. Just a simple bad idea way.
When they say daemon armies will be on the board turn one, I hope there will be an option for them to be summoned as allies to my CSM, otherwise I will be thoroughly disappointed...

**Formosa**

The chariots look like things.of a heavy metal album cover, especially the khorne one, I dont understand the whining

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

@formosa no whining from me, I think they look cack and I'm happy about it. Means more of my hobby budget will go to other manufacturers rather than be wasted on these.

**Dundas**

I agree that a lot of the recent models looks a lot better in real life than in the pictures. In particular I hated the dinobots and chaos flyer when I saw the pics, but having seen people play them on the tabletop they're growing on me.

I'm curious as to whether people that play WHFB like the models any better than the WH40K crowd? I really don't like the idea of Chariots in 40k, it's just a bit daft, but can see them fitting in with fantasy much better.

Not sure why they do all the flames though; I don't think I've ever seen model flames that look particularly realistic, and that paintjob does them no favours.

Hoping the nurgle drones have alternative head options because other than the elephant trunks (yes, I know they're meant to be a fly proboscis) I quite like the models. The FW Blight Drones look much better though, could see their sales going up if they're a good unit in the new codex...

**Matt.Kingsley**

I'm glad that the only slaanesh model in this release is but-ugly... means all I need is the codex and MAYBE the psychic power cards... for the moment

**Formosa**

I'm willing to bet pennies to pounds when that tzeench chariot gets into the hands of a competent painter, those flames will look bad ass, as it stands now, eavy metal is getting worse and worse...or I'm getting better and noticing more of there mistakes...dunno

**Matt.Kingsley**

Nope, they are getting worse...

that may be a bit harsh... The ones who's work we see often are getting worse...

**H.B.M.C.**

Formosa wrote:
I'm willing to bet pennies to pounds when that tzeench chariot gets into the hands of a competent painter, those flames will look bad ass

Not if the conservationists get hold of it first. No way they're going to let paint and glue near that much coral. Natural reefs need to be looked after!

**Grimtuff**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Formosa wrote:
I'm willing to bet pennies to pounds when that tzeench chariot gets into the hands of a competent painter, those flames will look bad ass

Not if the conservationists get hold of it first. No way they're going to let paint and glue near that much coral. Natural reefs need to be looked after!

Gah! Now I can't unsee that. It's firing coral...

**Kroothawk**

Moopy wrote:Burning Chariot of Tzeentch = Ah, now I know where all those plastic trees went to.

Savageconvoy wrote:How is that a "burning" chariot when it seems to be covered in seaweed?

H.B.M.C. wrote: Kroot and Kyoto have the skull joke market covered. I leave it to them.

Here are some alternative riders for the burning Chariot of Tzeentch, as a free download:

Spoiler:

Here a better pic of the Nurgle drones:

Spoiler:

@Firstborn: There was unanimous praise here on Dakka for the Dark Eldar release, a release where Jez Goodwin had almost 100% control. There was almost unanimous praise here on Dakka for the Chosen and Dreadnought in the 40k starter. It is not true that we bitch at everything. But price hikes of 30-50% and uninspired copypaste sculpts deserve and get some negative comments here.

As said, I am not a Chaos player, like many people. Weird that GW has chosen to do 4 out of 6 months Chaos only releases, with only Dark Angels and an unpopular Hobbit game thrown in. Cheap half year for me, cheap half year for most of us, waiting for the official numbers in the annual business report now.

Oh, and here some rules tidbits by the Plastic Krak blog, the provider of the pics:
http://plastickrak.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/some-whfb-daemon-rules-updates.html

Some WHFB Daemon rules updates

Some little bits of information I have gathered

Bloodletters of Khorne are now strength 4, with special rules MR1, Scaly skin 6+, Daemonic and Daemon of Khorne. They have the daemonic gift Hellblade.... 14 points

I cant see any reference to killing blow but that dosnt mean they loose it as the sword may grant it.

Pink Horrors stats stay the same, special rules are Daemonic, Daemon of Tzeentch, Blue horrors of Tzeentch, and a unit counts as a level 1 caster.... 13 points

Yay Blue horrors of Tzeentch. No idea how it works but yay!

Plaugebearers are strength 4 Toughness 4, have the Daemonic gift plaguesword, and are Daemons of Nurgle, and Daemonic.... 13 points

Daemonettes get 2 attacks, and become Daemons of Slannesh + Daemonic for 11 points

Bloodcrushers are now special, 3+ a unit, the jugger mounts get toughness 4 and 3 wounds like the WOC ones, and are 65 points. With the scaly skin rules Daemons now have a 3+ 5++ save monstrous cav option!

Flamers appear to have the same stats as the WD rules, and are 40 points. Special rules flames of Tzeentch, Daemons of Tzeentch, Warpflame, Daemonic and skirmishers.

There appears to be an option to upgrade a unit of Plaguebearers to have regenerate, and another option that if you score any roll of 6 to hit with a poisonattack, an additional strength 4 hit is made. Another option is upgrading poison to 5+

Oh, and natfka posted another anonymous rumour, that the previous anonymous rumours posted by him were fake.

**obsidianaura**

Hey look its all the miniatures for the last codex finally arriving as the codex becomes obsolete!

**Cre5po**

Does anyone know the UK prices of each model? Unfortunately my phone will only show me a thumbnail of each image and I've only just noticed someone saying the euro / dollar prices

From a thumbnail view they look okay, famous last words for the real thing then

**Young_Logan**

Puscifer wrote:
eohall wrote:
I get where everyone is coming from on the hate for these. I was initially disappointed too.

But then I realized with a bit of time that I really like them for two big reasons:

1. They embody the playful and humorous spirit of classic late eighties GW

2. They look like Ian Miller art come to life.

1) I didn't see that until you said it and I totally agree.

2) I was thinking John Blanche myself. Hell, add a couple of flying skulls to the Khorne stuff and it'll look great.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
After you pointing this out, they don't seem too bad.

I agree even though earlier I said other wise, i'm not back tracking just saying i'm seeing more merits here and there. What got me was that i've been with GW for nearly 10 years now and i've enjoyed the trip, yet i'm now worried that the hobby i've loved is changing faster than i'd like it to. Recently my FLGS became one of these five days a week and no open gaming which disapointed me but they are now running an evening leaugue which is fun for everyone.

I just get the impression that a lot of what people are calling anit-GW is less because we hate the company although there is some of that, but because the hobby has gone in a direction we don't like and don't want to loose it, well thats what i'm seeing atm, maybe you guys disagree, so sorry in advance for all of those i offend, lets hope next month brings something the community enjoys and give the deamons a chance, the rules may yet redeem then still, they may still have a fighting chance

Young Logan

**BryllCream**

The models look fine. No idea what the whining is about.

**labmouse42**

MetalOxide wrote:
wow, I know these are small blurry images, but what I have been able to make out looks horrible. It's as though GW are deliberately creating bad sculpts because they know that veteran gamers usually have more of an eye for quality rather than their new demographic, the kids starting out in the hobby.

Na, I think they are trying to convince people not to play daemons.

Seriously, I like the heralds. I think the nurgle one is very cool too.
I dig the flamer chariots, both with and without the herald. I've always been a big fan of the look of fire.

The khorne chariots are ... underwhelming at best. If the rules are awesome, i will be scratch building some. Maybe use some marauders instead of bloodletters as the minions pushing it. The cannon.....hmmm....that will take work. Maybe take an kornify (is that a word?) an empire steam tank?

The nurgle bloat flies are also extremely dissapointing. Time to start looking for 3rd party models.

**SagesStone**

Or they got a new sculptor and just don't care as long as they get it done.

**Enceladus**

Oh dear. These models are horrible :-(

**TBD**

The Tzeentch Herald on Disc looks alright, and the Khorne Herald on foot is ok too (although very boring and unimaginative), but the rest of those models I honestly wouldn't even want if I got them for free

**Agent_Tremolo**

Hey, never said I hated them. I just think they are silly as feth, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Actually, my main gripe with them is the "Parade Float" style which, while entirely at home in WHFB, doesn't quite belong to 40k.

**TBD**

My small cousin just asked why those tall flying green guys have such huge ballsacks and penis hanging under them

**labmouse42**

Agent_Tremolo wrote:
Hey, never said I hated them. I just think they are silly as feth, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Actually, my main gripe with them is the "Parade Float" style which, while entirely at home in WHFB, doesn't quite belong to 40k.

I think you hit on something here. Daemons are one of the armies that needs to be playable in both WHFB and W40k. A style that looks good in one might not in the other.

Also, WHFB models are constrained by having to fit in a unit. The heralds can't expand much past their base, lest they be unable to fit into a rank and file army. In 40k, you can have your models in dramatic poses reaching past your base.

That does not excuse the khorne chariots or nurgle bloatflies. Those models are aweful.

**MandalorynOranj**

I actually really like the Tzeentch herald chariot, although the Flamer one does look awful. I play mono-Tzeentch, so this is a 50/50 for me.

**Flashman**

First impressions (before I read other people's

)...

Not overly taken with most of this. Models continue to be "busy" and "toy like". The giant flies are ok, but got bored of "monstrous cavalry for every army!" sometime last year.

The one thing I really like is the plastic Nurgle Herald and I may have to buy him