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whembly wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:
HE.NEEDS.TO.GO.
http://articles.ky3.com/2012-08-20/congressman-todd-akin_33292185

No, he needs to stay in. I look forward to seeing Akin become Romney's very own Willie Horton.

I'm not convinced that'd happen. Had the Republican's circled wagon and defended Aktins, then yeah I could see it.

For the life of me, I don't understand this... the DNC is going to run on "women's rights" at the Convention. Which is fine and dandy... but Bill Clinton is going to be the keynote speaker?!:!

Does anyone note remember Lewinski? The accused rape (Juanita and Paula Jones)? Another example of bad optics.

I'm not certain that it'll happen, but I can say this much: Lee Atwater was one of my heroes (I know... WTF, right?) and what I would do, is make sure that every single woman in America understood exactly what Akin stands for, and I would make sure every single woman in America understands that he and Ryan are joined at the brain. Then I would make sure that everyone in America well understood that Akin is representative of the attitudes of the entire GOP.

And insofar as Clinton goes, I don't really remember the Lewinsky scandal (which amounted to absolutely nothing other than a distraction) in any way equating to the GOP's desire to take away women's rights. As for Paula Jones, you appear to be making the mistake of believing that sexual harassment and rape are interchangeable.

They are not.

More good insight from Bill Maher:

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/countygrind/2012/08/bill_maher_interview_mormon_romney_akin_allen_west.php
excerpt...

Bill Maher on Upcoming Presidential Election: "There's Obama and There Are the People from the Mental Patient Party"

Speaking of news this week, Todd Akin with the legitimate rape thing. Do you think he actually believes that or do you think it's just an anti-abortion thing?

I think he actually believes it. He's not the only one. It's actually a common belief on the fringes of the pro-life movement. And he's not the first one to say it. We've got hold of a number of people in assemblies, state representatives, who over the years have made similar comments. They believe the woman emits a mythical vaginal secretion during rape to stop it.

And this is what I mean when I say religion is a mental illness. It corrodes your way of thinking. I mean, this is a guy from the suburbs of Saint Louis. He's not from Mississippi or Alabama or someplace where you think, oh, those people are hicks. I think Saint Louis is a pretty modern city. And this guy gets elected over and over by large majorities. I think people in America really need to take a hard look at the Republican party.

I said the other day, and said, it's this kind of thing that gives me a good answer when people say, "Obama's so far from perfect. Why'd you give him a million bucks?" Because there's only two choices in America. There's Obama and there are the people from the mental patient party.

 azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:

azazel the cat wrote:

whembly wrote:
HE.NEEDS.TO.GO.
http://articles.ky3.com/2012-08-20/congressman-todd-akin_33292185

No, he needs to stay in. I look forward to seeing Akin become Romney's very own Willie Horton.

I'm not convinced that'd happen. Had the Republican's circled wagon and defended Aktins, then yeah I could see it.

For the life of me, I don't understand this... the DNC is going to run on "women's rights" at the Convention. Which is fine and dandy... but Bill Clinton is going to be the keynote speaker?!:!

Does anyone note remember Lewinski? The accused rape (Juanita and Paula Jones)? Another example of bad optics.

I'm not certain that it'll happen, but I can say this much: Lee Atwater was one of my heroes (I know... WTF, right?) and what I would do, is make sure that every single woman in America understood exactly what Akin stands for, and I would make sure every single woman in America understands that he and Ryan are joined at the brain. Then I would make sure that everyone in America well understood that Akin is representative of the attitudes of the entire GOP.

Heh... that's what I'd do...

And insofar as Clinton goes, I don't really remember the Lewinsky scandal (which amounted to absolutely nothing other than a distraction) in any way equating to the GOP's desire to take away women's rights. As for Paula Jones, you appear to be making the mistake of believing that sexual harassment and rape are interchangeable.

-Lewinsky - - agreed... total waste of time.. but still scarred Clinton. (why... I don't know... who would turn down a bj?)
-Jones - - harassment<>rape... yah, I know that...but, another scar.
-Juanita - - you didn't comment on this one
Oh... here's McCaskill's statement on clinton in 2006
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/23/mccaskill-2006-on-bill-clinton-i-wouldnt-want-my-daughter-near-him/


They are not.

I wouldn't either, but for entirely different reasons.

Then again, I wouldn't want my hypothetical child near Obama, Biden, Ryan, or Romney either.

They're politicians, after all.

 Melissia wrote:
I wouldn't either, but for entirely different reasons.

Then again, I wouldn't want my hypothetical child near Obama, Biden, Ryan, or Romney either.

They're politicians, after all.

*snort... good point.


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Hrmph... I thought it'd be worse for Romney, as this was taken on Wednesday:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/missouri/election_2012_missouri_president
Obama now leads by 1% and leads women by 7%

Also this:

Missouri Senate Candidate Todd Akin is to hold a press conference at his headquarters today at 4:15pm central time.

??? Let's hope he's stepping down.

Actually what you have is a campaign thrwing everything it can on the wall to distract from its craptacular handling of the economy and the bueaucratic nightmare that is the ACA. But sorry please go back to talking about abortion, or tax returns, or dogs on the roof or something. Look over there!

 Frazzled wrote:
Actually what you have is a campaign thrwing everything it can on the wall to distract from its craptacular handling of the economy and the bueaucratic nightmare that is the ACA. But sorry please go back to talking about abortion, or tax returns, or dogs on the roof or something. Look over there!

Look where
Spot on dude.

You hilarious conservatives want this election to be a choice between the very flawed President Obama and some perfect ideal that you promise exists, but won't actually talk about.

I'm no fan of President Obama, but you can't bitch and complain about distractions when Mitt Romney has been stupidly vague and evasive about every single issue. All he says is that he's better because of his business experience (except all those times he raided pension funds and closed plants) or because he's a family man, or because he saved the Olympics? Or something, but at least he won't talk about how can he speak French or was the religious leader of several Mormon temples.

Basically, stop being cry babies. Romney is going to lose in hilarious fashion this year, and complaining about distractions now is just funny.

 Frazzled wrote:
Actually what you have is a campaign thrwing everything it can on the wall to distract from its craptacular handling of the economy and the bueaucratic nightmare that is the ACA.

Yeah, Obama is totally not addressing the economy. Not at all.


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TheHammer wrote:

Basically, stop being cry babies. Romney is going to lose in hilarious fashion this year, and complaining about distractions now is just funny.

Frazzled wrote:Actually what you have is a campaign thrwing everything it can on the wall to distract from its craptacular handling of the economy and the bueaucratic nightmare that is the ACA. But sorry please go back to talking about abortion, or tax returns, or dogs on the roof or something. Look over there!

So some degree, I kinda agree with you. But probably not in the way you'd hope. Every congress and white house administration that doesn't regulate the ever-living-crap out of the banking industry is handling it in a craptacular fashion. Y'all are in the mess you're in due to de-regulation, and don't even try to deny that. The banks did what they did because they were allowed to. Simple as that.




And as a side note, does anyone else think that Todd Akin's Mistaken Baby Makin' Theory would make a great name for an Alan Parsons cover band?

 Frazzled wrote:
Actually what you have is a campaign thrwing everything it can on the wall to distract from its craptacular handling of the economy and the bueaucratic nightmare that is the ACA. But sorry please go back to talking about abortion, or tax returns, or dogs on the roof or something. Look over there!

Rape and abortions are being talked about as this thread is about rape and abortions and specifically some imbeciles opinions on them.

If you want to discuss economics then you could start an economics thread.

So basically like the Republicans in 2008?

this part was awesome:

"Next week in Tampa the Republicans must admit that the difference between a GOP convention and Comic-Con is that the people at Comic-Con have a much firmer grasp of reality."

Gah... there's no way this is true... with a R+2 sampling...
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/08/still-a-toss-up-in-missouri.html

Still a toss up in Missouri

PPP's newest poll of the Missouri Senate race finds that Todd Akin is weathering the storm and the contest remains a toss up. Claire McCaskill leads 45-44, just a small change from our poll last week which found Akin ahead by a 44-43 margin.

Okay, I think you may have officially accomplished something if you manage to piss off Bill Nye and have him go off like this:

Look, these people they're f**king slowed. Rape can't cause pregnancy? Breastmilk cures homosexuality? I caused a hurricane by challenging creationism? Who can possibly take these people seriously anymore?

It used to be these Republicans didn't believe in global warming or evolution. That was bad enough. Now they don't even believe in egg + sperm = baby. Where does Todd Akin think babies come from? Does he think there are separate storks for people who were raped and people who weren't? Hey look over there! It's the rape stork. It drops off all its babies directly at the orphanage.

He's a f**king idiot. Just a plain f**king idiot. I'm sorry -- I don't say that word very often -- but it happens to fit in this case. He's just a f**king idiot.

Rape Stork...priceless.

I just read the rest of it

As the stunned anchors hurriedly tried to wind the conversation down and cut to commercial, Nye stared directly into the camera and issued a challenge to his new-found rival:
"So Todd I got an offer for you. You and me. Any time. Any place. Debating science mano- a-mano. I'll bring the facts, and you bring the Vaseline. Because your a** is gonna f**king need it when I'm done whipping."

Hillarious, one could hope this were true.

It's a hoax bro, he never said that. Dailycurrant is a satire site.

I love you Bill Nye. You always rocked. Even if you didn't actually say that.

 Amaya wrote:
It's a hoax bro, he never said that. Dailycurrant is a satire site.

But I will always admire satirical Nye.

Is that Bill Nye...the science guy?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Is that Bill Nye...the science guy?

It is, but fake news-site that tricked poor me

I still give him street cred points for this though.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Is that Bill Nye...the science guy?

That Bill Nye the melon-fething Science Guy to you

Youbedead

Its MFSG to you

 Jihadin wrote:
Youbedead

Its MFSG to you

Bill Nye M.F.S.G.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Is that Bill Nye...the science guy?

No, it's a fake news site like the Onion.

However, Nye, in recent years, has become an outspoken opponent of social conservative asshattery in the realm of science. For that alone he's one of my heroes.

Since evil fake site tricked me, I shall redeem myself with fake news covering real issues:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-29-2012/rnc-2012---the-road-to-jeb-bush-2016---the-republican-platform

 whembly wrote:
True dat... but Aktin is extreme in his abortion views... always has been. Like I said, we *knew* that about him.

Yeah, and that's the difference between good and bad politics. Akin's views on abortion were known already among the people for whom those views are beneficial, so there was no point talking about it anymore.

What's driving me bonkers is what I said earlier... Akin doesn’t want to confront that this happens, which is why he put forth his dumb rape-doesn’t-cause-pregnancy theory [weaslely politican answer] . Pro-choicers, for the most part, don’t want to confront that an abortion that happens after a rape is still just as much an abortion as one that happens because nobody bothered with birth control.

I don't think pro-choicers are that bothered about the idea of abortion when no-one bothered with birth control. I think they'd point out that such behaviour is rare - which should be self-evident when you compare the cost of a condom against the cost of an abortion.

If you want a sticky subject for pro-choice people talk about gender selection abortions.


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 d-usa wrote:
Which some people might argue as a reason why rape is worse.

Once the murder is done, the victim doesn't suffer anymore. Rape affects the victim for the rest of their lives.

But they're alive.


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 mattyrm wrote:
I have recommended scrapping Parliament for years and just letting Lizzie make all the rules again, the illusion of freedom isnt worth the price, so feth it, im down for some absolute authority. Seeing as you aren't tied to our Monarchy anymore, I recommend you all take one last vote, and nominate a US Monarch, who can save you several billion dollars a year by scrapping all of the politicians and forcing them to get real jobs, and then making all of the rules themselves like a King of Old.

Because when monarchs had real power they were always the most considered and responsible of people.

 sebster wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Which some people might argue as a reason why rape is worse.

Once the murder is done, the victim doesn't suffer anymore. Rape affects the victim for the rest of their lives.

But they're alive.

It could be argued that Murder affects the victim for the rest of their lives. It just also makes it much shorter.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 sebster wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Which some people might argue as a reason why rape is worse.

Once the murder is done, the victim doesn't suffer anymore. Rape affects the victim for the rest of their lives.

But they're alive.

It could be argued that Murder affects the victim for the rest of their lives. It just also makes it much shorter.

Rape victims have at least the hypothetical opportunity to go beyond their trauma. Death is a state that's hard to ameliorate.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
More good insight from Bill Maher:

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/countygrind/2012/08/bill_maher_interview_mormon_romney_akin_allen_west.php
excerpt...

Bill Maher on Upcoming Presidential Election: "There's Obama and There Are the People from the Mental Patient Party"

Speaking of news this week, Todd Akin with the legitimate rape thing. Do you think he actually believes that or do you think it's just an anti-abortion thing?

I think he actually believes it.

I remember when Paul Haggis left scientology, and a fellow asked him if he really believed all that stuff about Xenu and volanoes and all the other nonsense. In what was probably the only bit of genuine insight into humanity Paul Haggis has ever given us (seriously his movies are awful), he said he didn't so much believe it as accept it. It was important to being part of his social group, and really important to all the other beliefs he held dear, and so he just accepted it because the alternative was too hard. And doing so wouldn't be that hard, because all the people like him were just as willing to just accept it, and not actually really believe it.

I think its the same with Akin and all the other socially conservative Republicans who've made similar claims. They don't really believe the no pregnancy from rape thing... I don't believe for one second that if their own daughters were pregnant and said it was due to rape I doubt any of them would think for one second that it must have not been a real rape.

But as long as it's a piece of nonsense shared among social conservatives at dinner parties and fundraisers, they're willing to accept it to get out the inconvenient issue of forcing a women to bring to term a baby that was the product of a rape.


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 Frazzled wrote:
Actually what you have is a campaign thrwing everything it can on the wall to distract from its craptacular handling of the economy and the bueaucratic nightmare that is the ACA. But sorry please go back to talking about abortion, or tax returns, or dogs on the roof or something. Look over there!

I dearly love the claims about Obama's handling of the economy, when there is a complete absence of economic recovery planning on the other side of the house, and has been since the GFC. It's a recession. They suck. Stop pretending government has a magic solution to stop recessions from sucking. They can do one thing to prevent them being worse... and that's to spend money - but your side is opposed to that anyway.


And more to the point, in 2008 when the gakky economy was perceived as a Republican thing McCain did everything he could to talk about everything else. Now the shoe is on the other foot and all of a sudden you're outraged about the Democrats looking for other stuff to talk about... and it's only now that it bothers you, not in 2008. So stop your partisan nonsense. It's boring.

I can see how accepting that humanity was created by chance (I don't think accident is the appropriate word) and has no more inherent meaning or value than any other animals could be hard.