Feds warn anarchists could blockade roads, use acid-filled eggs to protest conventions

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**Jihadin**

Federal authorities are urging law enforcement agencies across the country to watch out for signs that extremists might be planning to wreak havoc at the upcoming political conventions -- by blocking roads, shutting down transit systems and even employing what were described as acid-filled eggs.
The warning came in a joint FBI-Department of Homeland Security bulletin issued Wednesday.
The bulletin specifically warned about a group of anarchists from New York City who could be planning to travel to the convention sites to disrupt the events by blockading bridges.
Anarchists "see both parties as the problem," so both conventions are prime targets for them, a federal law enforcement official told Fox News.
The Republican National Convention is set to open Monday in Tampa, Fla., and the Democratic National Convention gets underway a week later in Charlotte, N.C.
The joint bulletin, titled "Potential For Violent or Criminal Action By Anarchist Extremists During The 2012 National Political Conventions," says anarchist extremists likely don't have the capability to overcome heightened security measures set up by the conventions themselves. In addition, Tampa Police Chief Jane Castor said Tuesday that fences have been established around "some of the more attractive government targets."
Instead, extremists could target nearby infrastructure, including businesses and transit systems, according to Wednesday's bulletin.
The bulletin mentions possible violent tactics anarchist extremists could employ, including the use of molotov cocktails or acid-filled eggs.
In August 2008, federal authorities arrested a man who was planning to use a molotov cocktail during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn. In addition, authorities executed four search warrants and arrested eight others for planning to disrupt the convention, according to a 2010 FBI intelligence assessment posted online.
On Tuesday, Tampa police confiscated bricks and pipes found on a rooftop several blocks away from the site of the Republican convention. Graffiti associated with the anarchist movement was also found. Castor called the discovery "disconcerting but ... not surprising."
The bulletin issued Wednesday notes that in 2008, anarchists discussed trying to shut down roads and skyways in St. Paul.
In addition, the bulletin discusses anarchists' use of social media to inform each other of law enforcement actions and positions.
Even though activists associated with the Occupy Wall Street movement are planning to converge on both conventions to protest what one OWS group called "this political system that only works for the 1%," the bulletin issued Wednesday makes no mention of Occupy Wall Street -- focusing instead on "extremist" activities.
"We have said all along that the vast majority of individuals coming to the Tampa Bay area to demonstrate will do so peacefully but there is no doubt that there is a small percentage that will come bent on destruction and disruption, and those are the individuals that we will deal with very quickly," Castor told reporters Tuesday.
The conventions have each been designated a "National Special Security Event" by the U.S. Secret Service, which by law leads operational security plans for such events in coordination with federal, state and local law enforcement.
The Tampa Police department has been asking fellow officers from across the state to help provide security for the convention. Those officers would be paid from $50 million Congress has given both Tampa and Charlotte to offset security costs associated with hosting a convention.
The FBI has long warned of potential dangers posed by "anarchist extremism," particularly during global summits and big events hosted in the United States.
The federal law enforcement official told Fox News there is "no credible threat" tied to international terrorism, but there is always concern that big events such as the political conventions are "attractive targets."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/feds-warn-anarchists-could-blockade-roads-use-acid-filled-eggs-to-protest/#ixzz24K3SfSnV

Hope its actual protest and not "protest with intent to harm"

**Melissia**

Eggs filled with acid? I'd like to see how they accomplish that, the eggshells aren't very acid-resistant AFAIK.

**Testify**

What's that smell? Smells like bs.

**Jihadin**

OWS round two

**Melissia**

The Occupy Whatever movement is not, in its core, an anarchist movement.

**Palindrome**

Jihadin wrote:

The federal law enforcement official told Fox News there is "no credible threat" tied to international terrorism, but there is always concern that big events such as the political conventions are "attractive targets."

Seriously?

**Jihadin**

Today time...aye I'm sure there's a serious look at terrorist activities

**CT GAMER**

The biggest threats to America will be those speaking inside the Rep convention...

**Corpsesarefun**

Melissia wrote:
Eggs filled with acid? I'd like to see how they accomplish that, the eggshells aren't very acid-resistant AFAIK.

That was my first thought, a calcium based eggshell isn't going to hold vinegar for very long... let alone anything serious.

**d-usa**

Please stand by for your regularly scheduled dose of "terrorists and anarchist are everywhere, let us protect you and keep you safe"!

**Testify**

Melissia wrote:
The Occupy Whatever movement is not, in its core, an anarchist movement.

You mean arguing for a regulated financial services industry does NOT make you an anarchist?
Someone needs to tell the government

and by the sounds of it, yours too.

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d-usa wrote:
Please stand by for your regularly scheduled dose of "terrorists and anarchist are everywhere, let us protect you and keep you safe"!

Does that gak actually go down? Like, do people believe it?

**d-usa**

Testify wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Please stand by for your regularly scheduled dose of "terrorists and anarchist are everywhere, let us protect you and keep you safe"!

Does that gak actually go down? Like, do people believe it?

It goes down on a regular basis and people do believe it.

Just look at airports to see large groups off people following the "at least it will keep us safe from the scary people" mindset.

**Ouze**

Potential terrorism, sure. That's a threat of any major gathering. But, acid-filled eggs? C'mon, that's just... made up nonsense.

**Testify**

d-usa wrote:
Testify wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Please stand by for your regularly scheduled dose of "terrorists and anarchist are everywhere, let us protect you and keep you safe"!

Does that gak actually go down? Like, do people believe it?

It goes down on a regular basis and people do believe it.

Just look at airports to see large groups off people following the "at least it will keep us safe from the scary people" mindset.

That usually only goes down if the guy being searched is dark-skinned.

**Jihadin**

Vitriol filled eggs.

**d-usa**

Testify wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Testify wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Please stand by for your regularly scheduled dose of "terrorists and anarchist are everywhere, let us protect you and keep you safe"!

Does that gak actually go down? Like, do people believe it?

It goes down on a regular basis and people do believe it.

Just look at airports to see large groups off people following the "at least it will keep us safe from the scary people" mindset.

That usually only goes down if the guy being searched is dark-skinned.

So you guys don't have children frisked, old people having to show their colostomies and everybody marching in line barefoot while holding on to their pants so that they can stand in the nude-o-scope?

But the same compliance can be seen with any of the anti-terrorism laws. Warrantless e-mail snooping, obtaining GPS cell-phone locations without warrants, etc etc etc. Everythins is always met with a resigned "if it will stop a terrorist I guess it is okay..."

**Jihadin**

But the same compliance can be seen with any of the anti-terrorism laws. Warrantless e-mail snooping, obtaining GPS cell-phone locations without warrants, etc etc etc. Everythins is always met with a resigned "if it will stop a terrorist I guess it is okay..."

Might change your mind if you've seen how they operate up close and personnel

**Testify**

d-usa wrote:

So you guys don't have children frisked, old people having to show their colostomies and everybody marching in line barefoot while holding on to their pants so that they can stand in the nude-o-scope?

But the same compliance can be seen with any of the anti-terrorism laws. Warrantless e-mail snooping, obtaining GPS cell-phone locations without warrants, etc etc etc. Everythins is always met with a resigned "if it will stop a terrorist I guess it is okay..."

Except they don't even bother to check freight mail

"Anti-terrorism" stuff like that is pretty unpopular here, and has by-and-large died out.

**d-usa**

Jihadin wrote:
But the same compliance can be seen with any of the anti-terrorism laws. Warrantless e-mail snooping, obtaining GPS cell-phone locations without warrants, etc etc etc. Everythins is always met with a resigned "if it will stop a terrorist I guess it is okay..."

Might change your mind if you've seen how they operate up close and personnel

Well, cars kill more people than terrorists, but we don't go crazy and return to the ways of the red scare because of that. I also think it is stupid that over 2000 servicemen from the US have been killed in Afghanistan to avenge the death of 3000 people.

And the main thing that ticks me off about security theater and crap like the Patriot Act is that they don't even do anything. Sky Marshals have not stopped a single attack, airport security has not stopped a single attack. The only reason the TSA exists is to make people feel secure instead of actually making anything secure. Just look at the guy last week that climbed over the fence at the New York airport, bypassed every single security system in place without even trying, crossed a couple of runways, and then entered a secure terminal, all while wearing clothes that are soaking wet from swimming in the bay.

Not only are we passing invasive laws and everybody is okay with it "because at least it will stop the bad guys". We are passing invasive laws that don't even work.

**Evilledz**

d-usa wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
But the same compliance can be seen with any of the anti-terrorism laws. Warrantless e-mail snooping, obtaining GPS cell-phone locations without warrants, etc etc etc. Everythins is always met with a resigned "if it will stop a terrorist I guess it is okay..."

Might change your mind if you've seen how they operate up close and personnel

Well, cars kill more people than terrorists, but we don't go crazy and return to the ways of the red scare because of that. I also think it is stupid that over 2000 servicemen from the US have been killed in Afghanistan to avenge the death of 3000 people.

^This. And don't forget the 700 odd British Soldiers... That almost doubles the initial death count from the 9/11 attacks.

**SagesStone**

Corpsesarefun wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Eggs filled with acid? I'd like to see how they accomplish that, the eggshells aren't very acid-resistant AFAIK.

That was my first thought, a calcium based eggshell isn't going to hold vinegar for very long... let alone anything serious.

Lightbulbs and stupidity maybe?

**Palindrome**

Evilledz wrote:

^This. And don't forget the 700 odd British Soldiers... That almost doubles the initial death count from the 9/11 attacks.

The current total is 425.

**d-usa**

Palindrome wrote:
Evilledz wrote:

^This. And don't forget the 700 odd British Soldiers... That almost doubles the initial death count from the 9/11 attacks.

The current total is 425.

Is 700 the total for Iraq & Afghanistan maybe? I know I only counted the victims from Afghanistan since that was the "official" 9/11 mission.

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n0t_u wrote:
Corpsesarefun wrote:
Melissia wrote:
Eggs filled with acid? I'd like to see how they accomplish that, the eggshells aren't very acid-resistant AFAIK.

That was my first thought, a calcium based eggshell isn't going to hold vinegar for very long... let alone anything serious.

Lightbulbs and stupidity maybe?

The rubbery tissue on the inside of the shell isn't suspectible to acid though I think. So you might be able to fill them and have that membrane keep the shell safe.

**Steve steveson**

d-usa wrote:

And the main thing that ticks me off about security theater and crap like the Patriot Act is that they don't even do anything. Sky Marshals have not stopped a single attack, airport security has not stopped a single attack. The only reason the TSA exists is to make people feel secure instead of actually making anything secure.

Ah but there bing no attacks means its working

Also, I have a sideline in government issue anti vampire amulets. 100% success rate. Noone wearing one has ever been bitten!

**d-usa**

Steve steveson wrote:
d-usa wrote:

And the main thing that ticks me off about security theater and crap like the Patriot Act is that they don't even do anything. Sky Marshals have not stopped a single attack, airport security has not stopped a single attack. The only reason the TSA exists is to make people feel secure instead of actually making anything secure.

Ah but there bing no attacks means its working Also, I have a sideline in government issue anti vampire amulets. 100% success rate. Noone wearing one has ever been bitten!

I said they have not stopped any attacks, I never said there have not been any attacks. The two attacks that come to mind were stopped by passengers, not sky marshalls or security theater.

**Bromsy**

I guess I understand on some level the arguments against stupid crap like the TSA and Marshals and all... but I can't understand why people who dislike them love blanket declarative statements so hard. Like saying "I don't think the tradeoff of my convenience vs the amount that I have become safer is worth it." is a totally legit statement.

But saying stuff like "The TSA hasn't done anything at all to make flying safer ever, at all, in the history of the universe." is fething silly. Even if they had kept acting exactly like the airport screeners from before 9/11, the closer ties between one federal agency and another is better than the ties between a federal agency and a hundred local contractors, from an information sharing and intelligence level.

So once again, I'd have no issue with a statement like "Airport security and the patriot act aren't worth the collateral damage to our rights." because that might very well be true. But when you start working on absolutes, you might actually be called on to prove them, which I am fairly certain you can't, because we don't live in a world of absolutes.

**d-usa**

Bromsy wrote:
I guess I understand on some level the arguments against stupid crap like the TSA and Marshals and all... but I can't understand why people who dislike them love blanket declarative statements so hard. Like saying "I don't think the tradeoff of my convenience vs the amount that I have become safer is worth it." is a totally legit statement.

But saying stuff like "The TSA hasn't done anything at all to make flying safer ever, at all, in the history of the universe." is fething silly. Even if they had kept acting exactly like the airport screeners from before 9/11, the closer ties between one federal agency and another is better than the ties between a federal agency and a hundred local contractors, from an information sharing and intelligence level.

So once again, I'd have no issue with a statement like "Airport security and the patriot act aren't worth the collateral damage to our rights." because that might very well be true. But when you start working on absolutes, you might actually be called on to prove them, which I am fairly certain you can't, because we don't live in a world of absolutes.

1) We have no airplane based terrorist attacks since 9/11 that were stopped by the TSA or air marshals.
2) The two airplane based terrorist attacks that come to mind since 9/11 were not stopped by the TSA or air marshals.

Those are two pretty solid statement, free of hyperbole. You might not like them, but that does not make them any less true.

**Bromsy**

d-usa wrote:

1) We have no airplane based terrorist attacks since 9/11 that were stopped by the TSA or air marshals.
2) The two airplane based terrorist attacks that come to mind since 9/11 were not stopped by the TSA or air marshals.

Those are two pretty solid statement, free of hyperbole. You might not like them, but that does not make them any less true.

I assume by the two airplane based attacks you are referencing Richard Reid and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was flying on a flight from Amsterdam to Denver. That was pretty clearly not a failure on the part of TSA. I'm not sure if air marshals are present on international flights into the US, I have to assume that they are some of the time, but I don't know for sure. Regardless, blaming TSA for that is like blaming the USDA for an outbreak of mad cow in the UK.

But, aside from that, you can't make statements like the first one. You don't know. That is, once again, a blanket declarative statement. If there were a thousand plots in place and the presence of the TSA made the planners give up, than that is a thousand terrorist plots stopped, with no one the wiser. The line of argument that you are using would imply that the police have never deterred a crime. That no nations army has ever stopped them from being invaded. It is a silly, farcical way of looking at things when there are many much more grounded and realistic criticisms to be levied.

**d-usa**

We have no airplane based terrorist attacks since 9/11 that were stopped by the TSA because they found weapons or bombs at the point of entry to an airport. No airplane based terrorist attacks in progress were stopped by air marshals. Is that specific enough for you?

Saying "we don't know how many terrorist attacks were stopped if they decided not to attack because of the TSA" is just another form of the "there is a rock, and nobody got hit by lightning near that rock, and we don't know if that is because of the rock so it could be working as a lightning preventer". The fact that there have been attacks since then that were not detected actually speaks very strongly towards how ineffective they are. The few that we did stop were stopped because of intelligence that was obtained well before they got to the airport. The liquid bomb plot and the printer bombs are two of those.

And what about the guy that circumvented all the security measures in place at a NYC airport last week without even trying? If some random guy can do that, then what would somebody that is actually trying be able to do.

**Easy E**

Testify wrote:
d-usa wrote:

So you guys don't have children frisked, old people having to show their colostomies and everybody marching in line barefoot while holding on to their pants so that they can stand in the nude-o-scope?

But the same compliance can be seen with any of the anti-terrorism laws. Warrantless e-mail snooping, obtaining GPS cell-phone locations without warrants, etc etc etc. Everythins is always met with a resigned "if it will stop a terrorist I guess it is okay..."

Except they don't even bother to check freight mail

"Anti-terrorism" stuff like that is pretty unpopular here, and has by-and-large died out.

Where is my, "Not Sure if Serious" gif again......

Oh right here...