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 pretre wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
Sorry, wasn't aimed at you, but at the Ward hate in general. The constant, petty, childish complaining is getting exceedingly tiresome, especially since, like any creative industry, no one person makes every single decision.

Seconded! Take the Ward crap to one of the 5 different threads on it somewhere on this board and leave the rumors threads alone.

Thirded! Motion passed! and be sure to attend the annual Dakka Burning of Matt Ward in Effigy for the Evils He Has Committed Upon Us In Hopes For a Bountiful Harvest potluck and chili cook off next week!

In actual news I'm getting fairly nervous about the codex coming out any time soon at all...

Faeit just posted to BoLS... Ward is the writer... and Jetbikes.

Pretty new to 40K who is this Ward guy and why do so many people seem to hate him?

Care to provide a linky-link?

dkoz wrote:
Pretty new to 40K who is this Ward guy and why do so many people seem to hate him?

Do a quick search.

The Faeit rumor was posted a page or so back.

dkoz wrote:
Pretty new to 40K who is this Ward guy and why do so many people seem to hate him?

Don't even bother looking. It's mostly a bunch of overblown nerd whining and frankly not worth your time.

I'll add that Mat Ward is likely the author to the OP.

Welp, time to buy a Dark Angels army so that I can rule the meta.

So. Much. Griping.
Seriously, i think most people have just scapegoated ward. His codexes are fine. There are worse books.
And hey, his are fun and interesting.

Rules wise I never had a problem with Ward's books, they're interesting if a bit overpowered in areas. Certainly nothing to hate him about.

His fluff is very hit or miss though, with some being okay and some being utterly horrible.

One thing that does bother me are his naming of wargear. I certainly don't want Dark or Angel attached to half the items in the book. Dark Fists or anything the like, although annoying do not make me hate the author.

Jetbikes would be awesome though!

 Kroothawk wrote:

 GhostOfCaliban wrote:

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
It'd be nice if some of those Oct 19th combo kits were DA based.

This is the first I have heard of these combo kits. Either I missed a comment on the thread or I'm forgetting. Could you elaborate a bit on this Mighty? Much appreciated.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/483354.page
We will see if it turns out true.

Thanks Kroot!

Also, anyone have a link to the so called BoLS comment made about Ward writing the codex and the confirmed Jet Bikes?

 Thanatos73 wrote:

One thing that does bother me are his naming of wargear. I certainly don't want Dark or Angel attached to half the items in the book.

I for one welcome our new Dark Angel overlords, wearing their angel armor and smiting enemies with their dark swords and angel-fire rounds and dark plasma cannons.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2012/10/40k-rumors-dark-angels-author-is.html

Here it is. I got off my lazy butt and looked it up lol. Ok...well...I didn't ACTUALLY get up.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
One thing that does bother me are his naming of wargear. I certainly don't want Dark or Angel attached to half the items in the book.

Sure sure, because Kelly and his Canis Wolfborn, Lord of the Wolfkin riding his Thunderwolf armed with Wolftooth Necklace, Wolf tail talisman, two Wolf claws, Saga of the Wolfkin who can be accompanied by Fenrisian wolves is so much better... His entry also has a note reminding us he is in fact "THE WOLF KING".
Yes, it's 10 uses of 'wolf' for just one guy.

Except Kelly wasn't the originator of some of those terms - they existed for years previously.

His additions didn't help, I grant you, but he didn't start it. But having seen how bad that was surely Blood Angels could have steered away from the names.


I am betting a cybercookie on 'Plasma Blades'.

Agreed, but.. neither was Ward. Yet somehow it's his fault even if BA and GK don't suffer from this syndrome as much as SW. Necrons seem to avoid this problem completely.

When book signed by MW does something it's his fault. When some other name is on the cover and the book does the same thing much, much worse the author is being excused.

I'm not defending everything he does but this particular instance is not justified by any means.
Often Space Marine chapter's armoury has stupid, repetitive unmatched naming convention. It's not his trademark. That's WH40k Totally Unique Space Marine Wargear Syndrome (TM).


I call your 'Plasma Blades' and raise you 'Plasma Claws'

So we're hearing tbat Ward is the author. No updated word on th release date? Hoping to see something about it in the next WD. Truth be told I'm totally jonsing to read it and buy the new stuff. Dark/Caliban Green crack....and I wants me some.

We should start to see leaked WD pages any day now, shouldn't we?

Don't forget the other overpowered Mat Ward rulebooks, Codex: Space Marines and Warhammer Orcs and Goblins! Those both practically broke the meta in half!

Oh wait they didn't. Shut up and stop your complaining about who may or may not be writing the codex. When it comes out we can judge whether it's on the level, overpowered, underpowered, or whatever else you think it may be. We can even start the same repetitive and boring conversations about how X author does Y. Until then, hold your breath.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Don't forget the other overpowered Mat Ward rulebooks, Codex: Space Marines and Warhammer Orcs and Goblins! Those both practically broke the meta in half!

Oh wait they didn't. Shut up and stop your complaining about who may or may not be writing the codex. When it comes out we can judge whether it's on the level, overpowered, underpowered, or whatever else you think it may be. We can even start the same repetitive and boring conversations about how X author does Y. Until then, hold your breath.

Codex Marines "new and improved" Stormshields did screw up things for a while, you really need to work on your sarcasm.

And let's not forget the other Warhammer Fantasy book by that same author which didn't just break the meta in half, but completely annihilated it. In any case, this is just rich.
I'm sure my Dark Angel friend will enjoy his new overpowered codex at any rate haha
Time to break out the Vendettas!

Though at least the Dark Angel book will have some cool new units. I like the sound of the Inner Circle dudes.

I just up he doesn't screw the fluff. His rules are strong, this I will give him. But if Dark Angels are super saved by Guilliman and look up to him like the Blood Angels, erf.

Come on guys go to general for the matt ward talk. At this rate this thread will be locked since its all about matt ward now. We already have a thread about him, move it over there please.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Don't forget the other overpowered Mat Ward rulebooks, Codex: Space Marines and Warhammer Orcs and Goblins! Those both practically broke the meta in half!

Oh wait they didn't. Shut up and stop your complaining about who may or may not be writing the codex. When it comes out we can judge whether it's on the level, overpowered, underpowered, or whatever else you think it may be. We can even start the same repetitive and boring conversations about how X author does Y. Until then, hold your breath.

Irony much? Complaining quite a bit about people complaining.

I don't like the way Matt Ward writes a codex. His recent history of it has made me real leery about starting DA up, even though I was once gung ho about it. Who are you to tell me to shut up about voicing my concerns about it?

I have to say that I am pleased to hear that Mard Ward is writing our codex. I was worried that some other unnamed person was going to try to take on the Dark Angels. With Ward, at least we can be assured of haveing a competitive codex, even if the fluff isn't the greatest. Lets just hope that he tones it down a little.

djones520 wrote:
Who are you to tell me to shut up about voicing my concerns about it?

I'm someone who is as tired as everyone else should be of this irritating circle of whining about Mat Ward we've been having since 2010.

 Brother SRM wrote:

djones520 wrote:
Who are you to tell me to shut up about voicing my concerns about it?

I'm someone who is as tired as everyone else should be of this irritating circle of whining about Mat Ward we've been having since 2010.

And I'm tired of the people whining about people who complain about it. You read through some of these threads, they seem to outnumber the people who dislike Ward.

That being said, in discussion forums people are going to discuss things, especially things they don't like. Yelling at them and telling them to shut up just puts you in the bad territory though. You don't wanna read it, then just move along.

Then again this is the interwebz...

djones520 wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

djones520 wrote:
Who are you to tell me to shut up about voicing my concerns about it?

I'm someone who is as tired as everyone else should be of this irritating circle of whining about Mat Ward we've been having since 2010.

And I'm tired of the people whining about people who complain about it. You read through some of these threads, they seem to outnumber the people who dislike Ward.

That being said, in discussion forums people are going to discuss things, especially things they don't like. Yelling at them and telling them to shut up just puts you in the bad territory though. You don't wanna read it, then just move along.

Then again this is the interwebz...

And I'm tired of the people whining about people whining about the people who complain about it. You read through some of these threads, they seem to just enjoy whining about things GW related.

If Ward is writing the DA codex, it will prove to be very, very interesting...

GW has been shifting it's focus to less and less overt power creep, and more options/themeing of lists. Granted it's far more evident in Fantasy since they've now had 5 new edition army books, but the recent CSM codex has pretty much mirrored what's been happening in Fantasy...
Here's hoping we don't get into a system where most books come out balanced with very few (if any) 'no brainer' options, but 2-3 other books keep up the horrendous power creep that ruined 7th ed Fantasy/5th ed 40k.

Sounds good to me, I'll use this book to run White Scars so I don't care how he butchers the fluff. I'll have cool bikes and jetbikes and flyers, good enough for me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Sounds good to me, I'll use this book to run White Scars so I don't care how he butchers the fluff. I'll have cool bikes and jetbikes and flyers, good enough for me.

There is not a lot to bucher in the first place. Hunt the fallen fluff is an old hat and fairly hard to belive. Inquisition would have been all over these guys looooong ago given their behavior. Ward can only help the DA fluff.

Inquisition don't suspect anathing. In 40k land the DA's are on the up and up to everyone but us the readers. They're literally beyond reproach (unless you're a Space Dog), and have got the clout and firepower to lay down the hurt to anyone who would go snooping around. Secrets. Remember? Inquisitors are like the keystone cops.

Now a DA whistleblower who took a walk to Terra and spilled his guts to the capital I and all the ensuing drama between a newly excommunicated chapter and their former brethren.... that'd make for some excellent reading. Oh the explosions...oh the bolter fire!!!Dan Abnett put away your hack HH project and get on that!!


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My original point was that Ward or anyone could ruin the fluff because it really ain't that bad. But we the reader fans may have forgotten that it is pretty much a secret to the 40k universe. We just have gotten almost no story advancement in the last 20 years since the first DA material came out.